i think lack of sabotage speculation isn't that useful because we don't know what the sabotage would do and at any rate it was apparent dunn wasn't endgaming, i think it's likely teammates were positioning themselves around him for the possibility he'd flip, even if they could buy him an extra phase with the sabotage, what does that do?
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 5:52 am
by petapan
In post 210, Ydrasse wrote:i’m having troubles seeing other people as stagehands in the other group too which is .. >_> not good for my paranoia here
(unwnd saying me/him/peta/cakez had a towny moment to forge a townblock)
(peta not outting the reasons for dunn-push)
etc
i mean
do you think i have trouble faking reasoning as scum? especially for a bus? jfc ydrasse lmao
even if i were to say it now it'd be post hoc justification that would be absolutely meaningless, certainly wouldn't give any reason to trust me
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 5:53 am
by petapan
In post 218, unwnd wrote:Like how can you not look at Dunnstral's literal princess bride ode and think 'this is a genuine interaction to be townread' because like. If it is TvS then why does Dunnstral take random choice and shoot at himself lol
it wasn't random chance though, he knew he wasn't dying
Infinity 324 wrote:VOTE: galron cause i don't like either of the other wagons, tbf i'm terrible at reading dunn but the fact that he's getting wagoned d1 is probably +town
Somebody said that Gamma was trying to get into the chair
I said that they already had a chance to get into the chair if they wanted to
Somebody said that they wouldn't self vote into the chair because they wanted to look town
Even if point 3 is correct, that doesn't make anything tmi (or even wrong... the first point never said anything about looking town, the third point expanded on assumptions that were unsaid
In post 2329, unwnd wrote:I don't know your own experience with Dunn but I do know we were in RPG together where I defended you (correctly) against a Ydra/Dunn team where I finally had the gumption to vote Dunn out. Are you seeing lack of parallel from that?
I mean yeah, I feel like the pattern you pointed out is generally true for dunn
In post 3180, SirCakez wrote:hm ok
who do you have as scum besides unwnd right now? I just re-ISOed you and you definitely have done more than I remembered but I have like
zero grasp on where you actually want this game to go
you feel very go-with-the-flowy
all of this is bad. it's not good. i keep reading back on it and it feels like a problem
i don't trust the people angling for infinity in here but i might just go that way anyway
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 6:40 am
by petapan
like why big brain this when there's someone who just looks fairly bad from appearances. hit the easy one and save the elaborate theories for if that fails
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 6:44 am
by petapan
will give the isos a once over sometime tonight/tomorrow
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 6:54 am
by Gypyx
healthy reminders that sabotages aren't necessarily public even, so speculating on the lack of public use basically isn't useful
i'll actually read more in depth tonight
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:39 am
by petapan
happy birthday gypyx
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:18 am
by unwnd
Saber can you help me get over despising you tonally (not personally)
A big reason I took back my Infinity read is that you were voting her and I'm literally just like 'who is Saber's partner'
did a read around and my brain can't find something more productive than going "uhu y'all guys make sense" so idk, think i'll just leave it at that
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:47 am
by Gamma Emerald
Peta, I’m not really inclined to go back on a TR here when every time you sus one of them it’s the same shit of quoting posts out of context, saying they look bad, and giving nothing else to really work with imo. Maybe you should give this song a listen.
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:07 pm
by petapan
i don't think it's actually hard to pick up what i'm putting down
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:34 pm
by petapan
and - if you want to disagree - that is fine. i am not trying to brute force a conclusion, i am literally just reviewing the data and trying to figure things out
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 6:36 pm
by Gamma Emerald
We're not nominating Taly, infinity, or skitter. I'm hard veto'ing those at this point.
I'm tired of yielding on reads I feel like are on point. I feel like this game I've been pretty decent, since I suspected Dunn pretty early on. Cephrir was a misfire but I think that's because I didn't understand how to read him yet.
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 6:45 pm
by Gamma Emerald
VOTE: Toogeloo
I could also do Ulyana but this is where I feel like scum most likely is in that group.
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:05 pm
by unwnd
I get the selfishness in regards to your reads but if we default like that we'd be losing out on differentiating what everyone else wants
It just makes for a more difficult state to read because scum (if youre wrong) can just go 'lol ok sheep'
And that isn't me saying that I disagree, Toog/Ulyana are people I'm willing to vote lol
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:21 pm
by petapan
i don't see a theory for a team that makes sense under your thinking
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:00 pm
by Gamma Emerald
Team solving is for the weak. I fare much better when I just aim to peg all the scum in a row, I’d say. All your attempts to find Dunn partners has done is lead you suspect slots I feel should never be eliminated.
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:11 pm
by petapan
i'm just reviewing the game rater than resting on assumptions dude - literally never even said i'd vote taly but that i wouldn't clear him
i think trying to peg the exact team is bad but basically any suggested team with toog is mostly incoherent
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:23 pm
by Gamma Emerald
In Radio Buzz I was only able to get 2/3 into my definitive SRs on D1 because I’d felt like DGB made more sense as scum with House/Roden rather than Cephrir.
In Gensokyo, I ended up hyper-focusing on Norwegianboyee’s bad interactions with the scum rather than my bad vibes from Sanae in the endgame, resulting in a loss.
It’s basically folly to ever assume a team has any sort of real plan they’re all acting on. I even fielded this exact same foolish thought from scum!Roden in LN 235 the same way I’m fielding it here and now: by refusing to stoop to that level.
I mean, you yourself should know how wild team interactions can get after how NK15 acted in FGO 2.
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:37 pm
by Not Known 15
Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2021 5:03 am
by SirCakez
In post 240, Gamma Emerald wrote:We're not nominating Taly, infinity, or skitter. I'm hard veto'ing those at this point.
I'm tired of yielding on reads I feel like are on point. I feel like this game I've been pretty decent, since I suspected Dunn pretty early on. Cephrir was a misfire but I think that's because I didn't understand how to read him yet.
This is not a helpful attitude my dude
Work with us not against us
Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2021 5:16 am
by SirCakez
i'm still fine putting up Toog
Gamma the stuff you put up about Uly is not really AI to me? looks very easy for scum to post. And Dunn's interactions with Uly are absolutely awful which is just as concerning. I'm not SRing Uly in a void, but in relation to how they interacted w/Dunn.
The Taly-Dunn interactions are a little funky but I wouldn't put him up for it yet. I agree Taly let off Dunn a little too easily and he's kinda waffly on it overall. I wish we could grill him right now ugh.
In post 210, Ydrasse wrote:i’m having troubles seeing other people as stagehands in the other group too which is .. >_> not good for my paranoia here
(unwnd saying me/him/peta/cakez had a towny moment to forge a townblock)
(peta not outting the reasons for dunn-push)
etc
I was thinking about this too lol
Maybe Gypyx? He is really killing me rn.
228 here definitely makes Infinity look partner-y to me
