I would just like to inform everybody that I have standardised all VCs. All VCs should now contain links to the posts where the votes/unvotes were placed.
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 11:14 pm
by RCEnigma
In post 131, Wallflower wrote:Maybe, but I guess what I’m saying is that I think it would have been done in a different way if Tracer were scum?
Not enough for me to conclude that they’re town, but enough to give me pause.
In post 141, MegAzumarill wrote:I mean if you want to act like you have a reason to throw shade then share. Else concede you don't and get some dirt on me, Scum!Me has plenty
You seem bothered
Handwaving megs issue instead of addressing the why gives scumpings
In post 144, Wallflower wrote:Also interesting that you’re going all in on me for it and not Tracer.
Think I’m the easier target huh?
It's really not. Plus this is just avoiding the situation again and slinging mud.
In post 156, Wallflower wrote:Okay, attitude aside, I am a bit concerned by Megazu’s play. Before honing in on me, the play seemed like benign contributions that seem safe and weren’t really NAI but compared to other people looking more town, placed Azu further down the list.
The difference in treatment of me vs. Tracer was interesting but could probably be explained by scumreading me. I still like to think it’s because they’re scared of Tracer but not me, but I guess time will tell.
My initial reaction was yuck to the doubling down on the scumread of me, despite it having been partially based on a post they misread, but maybe scum would do more face-saving hmmm.
TW, what do you think of Ircher’s cheerleading? Does that line up more with Ircher scum or town?
PEdit: it is… like… page 6
I should have broke this quote up but :
I'm considering the first part as the basis for what you consider scum!play (at least at this point in the game). It also loosely applies to myself but I hadn't been pushed on the same basis, it's not important for this specific situation but I'll tie it in when I make my....summary I guess I'd call it.
But like, other people being more townie doesn't make meg scum. I'd have to go on the assumption that your issue with his play was how he returned fire. Which also doesn't make sense if you had the scumread before they answered.
It's not absurd from megs perspective to scumread your slot. You called them scum, were asked to explain and told them it was scummy they didn't ask tracer (which isn't an explanation of your read.)
Doubling down there seems natural in that light.
In post 165, Wallflower wrote:See even if I did think you were mafia, people would see my vote on you as OMGUS and not take it seriously
Or see me as someone whose opinions sway dependent on what other people think of them. (Even though that’s probably true to some extent, but ssshhh)
Now Tracer, it’s my turn. Do you actually think I’m mafia, or are you voting me for fun?
More awareness of what you'd consider scum!play. All of this might be in jest but it's over my head if so.
Overall though I found it weird to pander to Tracer whom you put in a null range. They're in your town pool later but not at this point.
Also the second half of this post is like... Subtle explanation of exactly what you're doing in a more macro sense.
More pandering but the vote feels more like a vote scum throws down after checking the thread temp. It lines up with the back away from tracer and the push on Meg.
In post 199, Wallflower wrote:People who I have as varying degrees of townread (in no particular order):
The worst
Tracer
Mega
Norwegianboy
Ircher
Something_smart
I didn't mean to add this post but I was subconsciously salty about being excluded maybe.
While it's on my mind though throwing Tracer in here kind of undermines the interaction with them. Why not just say you thought they were town when they asked if you thought they were scum?
Is there a reason why you think that scum-RCE would not be motivated to also put in effort?
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 11:58 pm
by NorwegianboyEE
It wouldn't have been necessary at that point in time.
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 12:00 am
by NorwegianboyEE
RCE wasn't really under suspicion and seemed to be on the top of many peoples townreads, (although i was still reserved about them) so the fact that they post a big chungus case at that timing seems to be made because of an genuine desire to do so rather than an "Oh shit, i'm getting scumread, need to put in some townie effort quick" reaction. Etc.
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 12:06 am
by NorwegianboyEE
And again, not saying they can't post reasons for voting you as scum.
But i am of the belief that they would have conveyed that same thought using much less words and explanation if that was the case.
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 12:07 am
by Wallflower
Cool! Thanks
I think the fact that the effort's on
me
is also significant. I don't think the gamestate's opinion of me is high enough that much justification for a vote on me is really needed. I could imagine everyone thinking "yeah, makes sense" regardless (an example being the worst's post).
is also significant. I don't think the gamestate's opinion of me is high enough that much justification for a vote on me is really needed. I could imagine everyone thinking "yeah, makes sense" regardless (an example being the worst's post).
Hmm, maybe i should silence the accusatory paranoia demon in my head just a little bit in regards to you.
But only a little.
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 12:27 am
by Wallflower
What do you think of the worst's thoughts on Ircher?
I have also been thinking about Post 152, which seems a bit
too
much for scum? It's hard to explain.
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 12:34 am
by NorwegianboyEE
Didn't i already drone on for pages about not agreeing Worst's take on Ircher.
Or are you asking if i think it's alignment indicative.
To be real though, I’m not sure that I appreciate the implication that anything positive I say is some sort of master manipulation tactic. I get that suspicion is a thing… but it feels… demoralising somehow