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hmm
what do you think he means by a secret coin flip?

In post 225, Gamma Emerald wrote:hmm
what do you think he means by a secret coin flip?

as far as i understand it he said he had reads

that’s also why it felt also forced
bad mix of trying to act memey and mentioning “by chance” that he’s working on reads
imo

okay

In post 212, Loki Dokie wrote:

In post 211, Roden wrote:Aisa Eiji Loki Gamma all feel town so far

FB seems like he's kinda just posturing

Can you elaborate more on that? Both you and NAHA have been sussing to on FB. and yeah, it’s the only sr of theirs that makes any sense to me as a possibility, since I think ejj’s reaction to Andante read like exasperated town to me.

@Andante, if you really are that not okay with being leader, I will unvote you.

The scum claim jokes don't feel natural. I get the feeling that they would be making those jokes regardless of their alignment, but tonally it comes off to me like they're only doing it because they already established that they're gonna be doing it. I'm seeing a lot of jokes and messing around, but it's like they're playing a character.

Then again, idk if this is just how they typically play.

In post 221, ejjinami wrote:[heal.]aisa[/heal]
pending…. Edited and broke the code cuz I realized that I don’t know how the vote count looks like.
Will repeat if it’s safe
I want my heal there but I’m not exactly confident enough to hammer
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In post 212, Loki Dokie wrote: @Andante, if you really are that not okay with being leader, I will unvote you.

you know… why not just be honest?
I find it kinda amusing how you’ve justifying unvoting right now with their request despite blatantly ignoring it when you first made the vote. They said nothing about that recently, which makes it feel like at first you ignored the request in order to paint a confident/decisive self-image and now you’re using it as an excuse to vote elsewhere.
For the sake of clarity, you could unvote without explanation and no one would bat an eye. The excuse wasn’t even necessary.

This is not a scum-read btw. I don’t think I know you personally and this action in particular doesn’t seem to be linked to anything besides a giant attachment to how people perceive you.
Tho I find myself unable to see through performative behavior after a few days, I will most likely seriously consider yeeting just for the sake of safety. Honesty is greatly appreciated.

I don’t have a read on asia yet and I don’t see why you view my asking Andante if she really doesn’t want to be leader, I would unneal her, “performative”?

Because I did that right after Roden made his post saying pretty much that or did you somehow miss that?
Like how do you have this take and completely ignore that?

In post 229, Roden wrote:

In post 212, Loki Dokie wrote:

In post 211, Roden wrote:Aisa Eiji Loki Gamma all feel town so far

FB seems like he's kinda just posturing

Can you elaborate more on that? Both you and NAHA have been sussing to on FB. and yeah, it’s the only sr of theirs that makes any sense to me as a possibility, since I think ejj’s reaction to Andante read like exasperated town to me.

@Andante, if you really are that not okay with being leader, I will unvote you.

The scum claim jokes don't feel natural. I get the feeling that they would be making those jokes regardless of their alignment, but tonally it comes off to me like they're only doing it because they already established that they're gonna be doing it. I'm seeing a lot of jokes and messing around, but it's like they're playing a character.

Then again, idk if this is just how they typically play.

It is but I could possibly see an argument that maybe they seem more muted? here like in Squid? Idk. So far, I really can’t tell but NAHA was right on Fire in Squid, so it’s something I need to consider.

In post 210, Roden wrote:HEAL: NotAHecticAlt

I town read Andante but I understand that she doesn't want to be nominated. So my second heal will just go to whichever of her town reads I agree with the most.

In post 212, Loki Dokie wrote:

In post 211, Roden wrote:Aisa Eiji Loki Gamma all feel town so far

FB seems like he's kinda just posturing

Can you elaborate more on that? Both you and NAHA have been sussing to on FB. and yeah, it’s the only sr of theirs that makes any sense to me as a possibility, since I think ejj’s reaction to Andante read like exasperated town to me.

@Andante, if you really are that not okay with being leader, I will unvote you.

Here @ejjanami

Tell me how I wasn’t being “honest” again, I’ll wait.

In post 126, NotAHecticAlt wrote:oh roden/fidget prob town i forgot lmao

the people not really posting are "prob town" ?? what kind of logic is that...

In post 128, NotAHecticAlt wrote:does anyone have any issue with a pairing of Penguin - Andante for team leaders btw?

yeah, Penguin isn't really talking...

In post 136, Firebringer wrote:

In post 125, NotAHecticAlt wrote:blah why does no one feel towny

maybe got to lower ur standards

LOL I laughed too hard at that

In post 143, NotAHecticAlt wrote:regardless im fine with my heal there as i think the controversy around it spews penguin town :3

uhh what? like, even if I heal scum as leader, I'm healing people who actually talk/do stuff, like.. I'm not making anyone who is doing NOTHING a leader... and I certainly don't want to be leader with anyone who is doing nothing.. and I have a feeling whatever town we do elect leader is gonna feel the same way

In post 152, NotAHecticAlt wrote:believe it or not im not actually informed of your alignment and need to sort to figure it out.

I can't tell if you're trying too hard to look towny, or what you're doing.. like, Aisa went "Andante seems towny for lots of posting" or whatever, and then you just started spamming random posts.. like, I think all these posts actually made me TR you less, cause like, there's a post cap, you're posting literally just for the sake of posting...

In post 162, NotAHecticAlt wrote:im not even trying to be townread ..? im trying to be leader, yes, but im overall trying to hardsolve the game d1 because im like always n1d as town nowadays

nothing in your iso thus far says you're trying to hard solve...

In post 164, Firebringer wrote:have you tried being bad so u don't get n1ed. I can teach u a thing or two on how to live to endgame as town.

LMAOOOO

No I literally naturally post a lot, I've had the top post count since I entered thread.

I think maybe you are not reading my posts if you think im not trying to hard solve when I have reads on every player

In post 218, ejjinami wrote:

In post 191, NotAHecticAlt wrote:RR trying to hedge a read without appearing to do so

very creative strategy, I'll have to try it sometime

forgive me for being blunt, accusing people for doubtful reasons at best won’t accomplish much at this point
You wrote that read without thinking much, possibly a response to a scum-read on you.
Possibly as a way to maintain the leader-persona
please, quit it.
it just makes you appear unpredictable. It would be good to have some way to determine whether you seriously think of scum-reading someone or it’s just a reaction-test

In post 192, Firebringer wrote:dont we all hedge. i mean ur hedging on me.
I am hedging on a secret coin flip on a few players.

Hedging keeps the game turning

bleh
forced
Give me the result tho

The point was they made a scumread by dressing it up as a maybe townread - I dont think this kind of "testing the waters" is towny and frankly, looks outing to me.

HURT: Penguin
HEAL: ejj

In post 185, Gamma Emerald wrote:actually based on the event name "encrypted communications" they probably get a hood
pearing time hell yeah

oh yeah.. and that'd be why town would benefit, cause 2 town in a hood... can be pretty good

In post 188, Radical Rat wrote:Also, I thought the post cap being 150 per phase was high enough as to be largely inconsequential, but at the rate some of you are going... Yikes.

yeah... like 150 is a max, and it feels like people are doing everything in their power to ensure they hit 150.. like people, SLOW DOWN please, this game doubled in size overnight...

In post 196, Radical Rat wrote:If you thought I'd have super committed and confident reads a few hours into the game, then well. This probably won't be the last time I disappoint you

I think you're good thus far!! lol I mean, half the table is doing nothing, so then options for leaders are smaller.. and uhh NAHA is spamming, and yeah.. that's about all there is, so I think what you have is great!

In post 207, Loki Dokie wrote:So, I’m still good with my vote because Andante is currently the only slot, I’d currently bet the game on being town.

WOOOOOO I DID IT!!! IM A STRONG TR FOR SOMEONE!!! I win!!! gg!!!

In post 208, Fidget wrote:Do you like scum @Andante?

Yeah, I love scum

In post 210, Roden wrote:I town read Andante

hmmm, why do you TR me? I only had like what? 3 or 4 posts? so what makes me town? cause I know everyone else is throwing around I'm town, so are you just like agreeing with them to look towny or what?

In post 211, Roden wrote:Aisa Eiji Loki Gamma all feel town so far

FB seems like he's kinda just posturing

What do you tr about Aisa?

In post 212, Loki Dokie wrote:@Andante, if you really are that not okay with being leader, I will unvote you.

If it happens it's fine!! Cause umm if it's a PT like Gamma suggested it might be... I would love a PT.... hahahaha like even if it's a PT with maf, maf gonna be so obvious...

~~~

Meh that's good enough for now, I'm like getting sick IRL, it's great, but yeah I had a partner read I don't remember who, it was fidget and someone... ahhh should've just written it down. whelp yeah.

HEAL: Radical Rat
HEAL: ejjinami

I think those 2 are good to heal though

In post 210, Roden wrote:HEAL: NotAHecticAlt

I town read Andante but I understand that she doesn't want to be nominated. So my second heal will just go to whichever of her town reads I agree with the most.

In post 211, Roden wrote:Aisa Eiji Loki Gamma all feel town so far

FB seems like he's kinda just posturing

@Roden, if you feel good about Eiji, me and Gamma, why wouldn’t you heal one of them > NAHA?

What does you hard tr on Andante have anything to do with your reads, unless you tr NAHA more than Eiji, me or Gamma?

In post 218, ejjinami wrote:

In post 191, NotAHecticAlt wrote:RR trying to hedge a read without appearing to do so

very creative strategy, I'll have to try it sometime

forgive me for being blunt, accusing people for doubtful reasons at best won’t accomplish much at this point
You wrote that read without thinking much, possibly a response to a scum-read on you.
Possibly as a way to maintain the leader-persona
please, quit it.
it just makes you appear unpredictable. It would be good to have some way to determine whether you seriously think of scum-reading someone or it’s just a reaction-test

In post 192, Firebringer wrote:dont we all hedge. i mean ur hedging on me.
I am hedging on a secret coin flip on a few players.

Hedging keeps the game turning

bleh
forced
Give me the result tho

The lie detector says:
Inconclusive

my last post doesn't make sense.
anyways to clarify i have no reads to share.

In post 240, Firebringer wrote:

In post 218, ejjinami wrote:

In post 191, NotAHecticAlt wrote:RR trying to hedge a read without appearing to do so

very creative strategy, I'll have to try it sometime

forgive me for being blunt, accusing people for doubtful reasons at best won’t accomplish much at this point
You wrote that read without thinking much, possibly a response to a scum-read on you.
Possibly as a way to maintain the leader-persona
please, quit it.
it just makes you appear unpredictable. It would be good to have some way to determine whether you seriously think of scum-reading someone or it’s just a reaction-test

In post 192, Firebringer wrote:dont we all hedge. i mean ur hedging on me.
I am hedging on a secret coin flip on a few players.

Hedging keeps the game turning

bleh
forced
Give me the result tho

The lie detector says:
Inconclusive

In general waffling=town and hedging=scum so nothing to do with my read on you but it’s very different. Waffling is making a read, doubting, going back on it, reconfirming it, etc. Hedging is more like well X is doing stuff that I could see coming from town, otoh, they’re also doing this thing that scumpings me. See my point?

makes sense but ur going to have to point out why and how ur certain on someone isn't a waffler vs hedger

it depends on if they own a waffle maker or a pair of hedge trimmers

oh fuck im at 56 posts

pooky you are evil

I'm going to take like a 24 hour break rn

my 2 heals are my biggest endorsements for leader atp, i may change andante at some point but I dont see a viable candidate. I myself dont care about things like personality for this and strictly only care about towniness. I heavily doubt pooky would give leaders the ability to completely screw over the game - in squid game they had impact but it wasn't *bad*, for example.

I'm not explaining ejj at this time - I realize I flipped my read there and I want to see how the gamestate adjusts to that shift.

In post 237, NotAHecticAlt wrote:HURT: Penguin
HEAL: ejj

That’s a 180 degree switch up? Especially on Penguin.

In post 243, Firebringer wrote:makes sense but ur going to have to point out why and how ur certain on someone isn't a waffler vs hedger

Waffling tends to occur in different posts with usually a logical timegap betweeh those changed reads. Hedging can either occur in the same post or subsequent posts that progressionwise don’t make much sense.

So for example, waffling: I have a strong town or sr on a player and then either new information or a new assessment makes me switch that read. The read changes but the logical progression behind it makes sense.

Hedging is more like you look like you’re making an actual read but failing to commit to it. It’s a way to make it easy to at some point out of nowhere flip your read on a player, since you’ve already laid the groundwork for having either kind of read on them. If you make a read where you outline points for where they can be either alignment, you don’t need to account for your read change.

It’s not black and white but it’s far easier to be outed as scum for illogical progression or fake waffling thznhedging because you’ve already laid the groundwork to be uncommitted to that read. So as long as there’s clear logical progression on a read, waffling is usually town indicative where as hedging makes it far easier for scum to hide.

so much waffle talk... this is not a mafia theory 101 class... like whaaat?? lol

In post 247, Andante wrote:so much waffle talk... this is not a mafia theory 101 class... like whaaat?? lol

yes it is and your home work is due miss andante

sounds like a class I'd drop tbh