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[Vivax]

DWLee99 and Greeting probably also around that camp of players, but less obvious.

I agree Meg. Andante's tone is far too negative and it felt like the Fred VC spam was a trap and she fell into it.

VOTE: Andante

[MegAzumarill]

Top far into disliking those which are easier to eliminate.

[MegAzumarill]

Too far into disliking those which are easier to eliminate.

(this is about Andante)

[Vivax]

This game makes more sense if you divide it into pure town (Meg, Ench, Fred would be my pure towns), nulls, mafia and antagonist town. There's a neat overabundance of the latter, but I'm getting used to it on offsite games.

[Crescent]

If there's anyone in this pile I townlean, it's Prince. I also think there's merit to his vote on Fred, who did look like he was weaving a narrative specifically to fan the fire of Vivax/Owen.

There's not a single good reason to TR Fred that I can see so far. His behavior started unhelpful, then turned scummy. Meg's post feels like they are completely ignoring the fact that the one actual vote that came on him in that span was for a clearly alignment related reason.

[MegAzumarill]

???

That doesnt change that scum have extra incentive to be on the fred wagon.

[MegAzumarill]

Of course if fred flips scum that goes out the window

[Crescent]

The counterpoint is if Fred is scum it likely means Prince (who voted him), Owen (who he made an awful vote/shade on), and Andante (who he triggered) are all likely town. Owen and Andante would have a natural reason to join in based on the actions Fred has already committed. Andante is mad he exists, and Owen could easily be town who was scumpinged by such a bad argument. The reasoning that scum must be shading Fred is forced and the reasons for voting Andante are weak.

[Vivax]

The counterpoint is if Fred is scum it likely means Prince (who voted him), Owen (who he made an awful vote/shade on), and Andante (who he triggered) are all likely town. Owen and Andante would have a natural reason to join in based on the actions Fred has already committed. Andante is mad he exists, and Owen could easily be town who was scumpinged by such a bad argument. The reasoning that scum must be shading Fred is forced and the reasons for voting Andante are weak.

That's not a counterpoint.
If he flips town what does it make the four of you all posting to wagon him at the same time if not mafia?

[Crescent]

That's if he flips town. Right now I don't think he will.

The argument is forcing the presupposition that scum must be shading him, when I'm the only one in that 4 pack without a previously established reason to have done so.

Sometimes it's just 4 town members shading a scum. I see no reason to automatically assume there is scum based on the specific people involved.

[MalcolmTucker]

That's if he flips town. Right now I don't think he will.

The argument is forcing the presupposition that scum must be shading him, when I'm the only one in that 4 pack without a previously established reason to have done so.

Sometimes it's just 4 town members shading a scum. I see no reason to automatically assume there is scum based on the specific people involved.

If four people are on a town wagon this early in the game then I think it's pretty fair to suggest there's probably going to be some scum on it, no? It's feasibly possible to be all town but any good mafia team surely wants to be putting some pressure on an early town wagon.

I'm not particularly feeling Fredrick at the moment. Pretty light content wise but then I'd argue it's been a pretty light game so far. Hardly as if he's a dominant figure in the thread with more posts than anyone else. Some players just take longer than others to feel their way into the game and I think the case appears a bit convenient right now.

[Vivax]

That's if he flips town. Right now I don't think he will.

The argument is forcing the presupposition that scum must be shading him, when I'm the only one in that 4 pack without a previously established reason to have done so.

Sometimes it's just 4 town members shading a scum. I see no reason to automatically assume there is scum based on the specific people involved.

I don't believe you when you say you don't have a read on Andante.
You should be knowledgeable enough for that and that didn't look like a town Andante from where I'm at.

Also the way that flashwagon formed when nothing like that happened before in the game just looks sus.

[MalcolmTucker]

VOTE: bugspray

this is more annoying than what Fred was doing earlier

Like honestly, can we just lim frred THEN start trying to play the game? I don't like this gimmick. it's hard to read in a sense, and it's just flat out annoying

the moderator has informed me i am not allowed to play chess

wow.. I'm so shocked, I never would have guessed spamming chess here wouldn't be allowed...

You however just randomly complain about content. Players go in expecting a fun read, a challenging game.

There's nothing fun about bugspray spamming these giant images, Fred spamming the 3 VCs in a row?
I love fun don't get me wrong, but this game... we have a handful of people doing NOTHING, and a handful just like "spamming to spam" but hey it's whatever

I was willing to count Andante's initial frustration against Fred as genuine townie annoyance but so far basically all of the slot's content is based on voting for players they aren't liking tone wise instead of hunting for genuine scumminess. Feels like a really convenient way to dodge actually talking about the game and pings me a bit. If it's such a big issue, then why continue bringing it up? Happy to vote here for now.

VOTE: Andante

[Crescent]

I have no read on Andante because I can see myself acting the exact same way she has. I tend to react harshly when I'm getting shaded for godawful reasons, myself, and the early shade on her was just that.

She seems vindictive, not scummy. I don't know of vindictiveness is a scum trait of hers. What she's doing with Fred already reminds me of how NM's shitposting triggered me in 2273. My entire game was thrown off just because of his existence.

[Vivax]

Not to mention Crescent has been happily interjecting in the defense of Owen and Prince most of the time in this game, but seems hesitant to do so with Andante. I wonder why.

Deer, meet headlights.

[Andante]

So if I vote people cause I find what they're doing highly annoying. that automatically makes me scum? I'm not SRing whoever. I'm saying Fred isn't doing ANYTHING game related and talking in this matter of fact tone, it's annoying as heck, yet I guess all yall are totally fine with fred??

[Andante]

I don't even understand how this freaking makes me maf

[Crescent]

For the uninformed, the only thing I actually

wanted

to do most of the game was murder NM to remove him from the game.

I even made a promise that I would first post vote him and never remove it until he or I are dead if I ever get stuck in a game with him again. It's a promise i intend to keep.

[Crescent]

Not to mention Crescent has been happily interjecting in the defense of Owen and Prince most of the time in this game, but seems hesitant to do so with Andante. I wonder why.

Deer, meet headlights.

Hesitant? I've called the votes on her weak and for forced reasoning.

I stand by it.

[Crescent]

I don't even understand how this freaking makes me maf

I have yet to see any remotely compelling argument that it does.

[Andante]

Like, all I see is "hey look 4 people have the same argument" so does that mean the other 13 people don't find fred's "contributions" annoying? Like fred isn't actually doing ANYTHING

"he look A and B aren't partnered" how does that help us with 17 people alive?

[Vivax]

So if I vote people cause I find what they're doing highly annoying. that automatically makes me scum? I'm not SRing whoever. I'm saying Fred isn't doing ANYTHING game related and talking in this matter of fact tone, it's annoying as heck, yet I guess all yall are totally fine with fred??

I understand your annoyance now. But being scum or Fred's posts are maybe only 25% of it, because mostly you're annoyed at how you have to play.
You don't have to, you know? Space is lovely this time of year.

Like, your only scumread all game is because someone posted a votecount three times at the bottom of a page and you have no intention of putting in work to move away from that opinion.

[Andante]

and like, no one else has a major issue with how Fred started off with THREE BACK TO BACK VCs like, hello?? how is no one else seeing this as Fred is spamming just to spam?

[Andante]

Like, your only scumread all game is because someone posted a votecount three times at the bottom of a page and you have no intention of putting in work to move away from that opinion.

YOU GUYS AREN'T GIVING ME THE OPTION TO ACTUALLY PLAY THIS FREAKING GAME

[Andante]

I fully intend to come up with actual reads as the game goes on, but here all yall are like "DEATH TO ANDANTE!!! HOW DARE SHE BE ANNOYED" I literally told yall I was voting fred out of annoyance