Chronopie wrote:lol cross-referencing the two lists above, I can clear Ooba of being a potential RB. Lord Gurgi is rather lower down the list of potential RBs. So I'll be 'checking' these players, in no particular order. Flavour similar to D3 start means success.
Why are you looking for the RBer? Surely thats a fruitless exercise. 1. you are just going to succeed in outing them to the scum if they haven't been recruited yet and 2. regardless of alignment, surely it makes no difference and is just wasting time when you could be looking for the recruiter, although include xvart and you have the same list, why did you exclude xvart from a potential rbers list?
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:47 am
by Porochaz
Apologies forgot Katsuki just replaced in.
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:15 pm
by ReaperCharlie
k. the time is finally ripe. Andrius, choose your poison.
I pick Poro and Chrono, you get two more. Then we are set.
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:18 pm
by Andrius
I think our alliance is rather large. :S
I agree with Chrono. And Poro. Definitely not ooba, due to N1. No to Yos, who is lying like a rug. Not Gurgi. Not Erg0. Not xvart.
gandalf perhaps. Meh.
MEH. I want to trust you, Reaper. I really do. I want us to lead an alliance as two Cops. But we have this personal history, see, where you deceived me and killed me and my Godson. So I'm going to be a bit more cautious.
I still read Erg0 as scum. Possibly recruiter. Anyone else down to vote him?
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:20 pm
by Andrius
Whoever asked Yos if the cults started with 2 members, I would like to submit the following:
N0 existed so they could choose their #2.
With fourteen alive, it will take eight drawn weapons to kill someone.
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:28 pm
by ReaperCharlie
Andrius wrote:Whoever asked Yos if the cults started with 2 members, I would like to submit the following:
N0 existed so they could choose their #2.
That was me, and if ooba had recruited a loose cannon on Night 1, he could easily have faked a claim of loose cannon. And it'd be especially 'provable' if he'd have recruited Thelonging/singersigner.
Paranoia: What if singersigner was the recruiter, had recruited ooba N0 (not a shabby choice), and had a double-vote as a RECRUITER power, and not as an 'in place of vigging' power? Did we ever get any confirmation from furc that he had that power as well?
If he never said anything about it, MAJOR FOS AT SIGNERSIGNER AND OOBA.
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:34 pm
by Andrius
No, Furc was Enforcer. Like us.
You make a good tinfoil theorist, but I'm not sure I buy it. :/
Erg0 or ooba?
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:57 pm
by ReaperCharlie
Wait, who was the other loose cannon?
WAS THERE ONE?
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:59 pm
by Andrius
zwet.
ooba.
longing/singersigner.
+1?
I thought we had 4...
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:59 pm
by ReaperCharlie
Oh. zwet. Let me check to see if he ever confirmed that bit.
If he didn't, we need to seriously examine ooba/singersigner becauseeeee......
We don't know which of them laid that second ???? vote down.
Like I said, it could be a scum recruiter bonus thingie and unless zwet confirmed it...
Anyways. I'll check...
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:02 pm
by ReaperCharlie
Annnndddd.... zwet said absolutely NOTHING about double-voting, even though he claimed vig.
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:04 pm
by Andrius
HE CLAIMED VIG?
I don't remember that...
/dumb-as-shit
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:05 pm
by ReaperCharlie
zwetschenwasser wrote:You guys aren't calculating that I'm a vigilante, and that I'm planning on vindictively shooting dramonic tonight.
This is all he ever said.
Therefore, the "exchange vig for double-vote" thing could just be an ooba/ss gambit.
And it smacks exactly of old oobascum gambits that I remember from before.
Ergo; Unvote; Vote: ooba
(LOL U C WUT I DID THER?)
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:31 pm
by Chronopie
Porochaz wrote:
Chronopie wrote:lol cross-referencing the two lists above, I can clear Ooba of being a potential RB. Lord Gurgi is rather lower down the list of potential RBs. So I'll be 'checking' these players, in no particular order. Flavour similar to D3 start means success.
Why are you looking for the RBer? Surely thats a fruitless exercise. 1. you are just going to succeed in outing them to the scum if they haven't been recruited yet and 2. regardless of alignment, surely it makes no difference and is just wasting time when you could be looking for the recruiter, although include xvart and you have the same list, why did you exclude xvart from a potential rbers list?
They had no cause to RB me, unless I was potentially targeting their recruiter or buddy, as I'd already claimed my RB target for that night. Therefore, there is an above average chance that they are recruited scum. Also, given that my declared targets were between M=W (recruited goon) and Erg0 (???), I'm thinking it's possible that Erg0 may be a recruiter.
I RB'd Xvart N1, and got masculine flavour, therefore Xvart is a male character, thus not the other roleblocker.
Reviewing the list of potential recruiters, and considering the point above...
Chronopie wrote:lol cross-referencing the two lists above, I can clear Ooba of being a potential RB. Lord Gurgi is rather lower down the list of potential RBs. So I'll be 'checking' these players, in no particular order. Flavour similar to D3 start means success.
Why are you looking for the RBer? Surely thats a fruitless exercise. 1. you are just going to succeed in outing them to the scum if they haven't been recruited yet and 2. regardless of alignment, surely it makes no difference and is just wasting time when you could be looking for the recruiter, although include xvart and you have the same list, why did you exclude xvart from a potential rbers list?
They had no cause to RB me, unless I was potentially targeting their recruiter or buddy, as I'd already claimed my RB target for that night. Therefore, there is an above average chance that they are recruited scum. Also, given that my declared targets were between M=W (recruited goon) and Erg0 (???), I'm thinking it's possible that Erg0 may be a recruiter.
I RB'd Xvart N1, and got masculine flavour, therefore Xvart is a male character, thus not the other roleblocker.
Reviewing the list of potential recruiters, and considering the point above...
Aim: Erg0
this feels like the right move.
Still, a roleblocker isn't going to be a recruiter so what your doing just now is useless.
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:09 pm
by Porochaz
mod, is it possible we could get a clarification on the Loose Cannon role?
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:22 pm
by xvart
OOOOOhhhhh... good stuff coming in a bit. I believe I have narrowed one of the recruiters down to two. Compiling information now.
xvart.
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:39 pm
by xvart
Andrius, 2157 wrote:xvart. That is a shitty vote.
I investigated Gurgi N2. He was town then, THEREFORE IS NOT RECRUITER.
Maybe, but I'm having a hard time believing that you, Robo, and now RC are all not recruited, so I'm not really ready to clear anyone especially since you being cleared hinges on Robo's claim being true and not being recruited. And how do you clear RC just because he claimed? I'm not even convinced that Yos2 isn't a recruiter. He hasn't claimed any role that can be confirmed in anyway.
Yos2 - did you get a flavor pm when chrono blocked you?
ReaperCharlie, 2161 wrote:So, all that to say: hopefully you guys can take me at my word; I'm going to reveal my investigations now, in hopes we can pull this off:
Night 0
- I investigated Faraday (undeterminable) - Which is WHY I WANTED HIM DEAD. I thought he was a recruiter. (and yes, total wifom occurred on what would have happened to me if he was a don's son. I ended up believing that he WAS a don's son, and that I would NOT have died. which is why I wanted him lynched ASAP. screw you guys for lynching furcolow, I wanted to lynch Faraday D1 ).
Night 1
- I investigated ooba (undeterminable) - same general result as Andrius. Due to Faraday's flip, I was not so sure, but I received DIFFERENT FLAVOR than I did with Faraday so I am still not sure. All my WIFOM about ooba/singersigner STILL HOLDS TRUE. It was completely honest. I think ooba still has a chance of being a recruiter!
What was the difference in the flavor between Faraday and ooba?
Lord Gurgi wrote:I pointed out already that you can't have an investigation today. Who did the mysterious second RB block if not you? The cult-doc in order to recruit you? You are thick as a brick.
I was roleblocked last night.
xvart.
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:40 pm
by xvart
So we know, based on the claims, that there are at least two roleblockers.
Unless there is a third RBer (which I doubt), the N1 actions are very telling. Either one of Andrius, ReaperCharlie, or I is a recruiter and lying about being roleblocked. Chrono isn't the recruiter because he wouldn't claim a RB on me in case I counterclaimed an action that succeeded (unless he and I are on the same team).
I was going to wait until Yos2 claimed, but seeing as he already admitted to being on a cult faction, I don't see the need to wait. The kicker:
I did not get a flavor pm the night chrono roleblocked me and I did get one last night
; and since Flameaxe claimed he got a flavor pm last night after being RBed by Chrono Flamaxe is lying. So Flameaxe and chrono are cult together. So unless we think RecruiterChrono would be so bold to claim a RB on me without knowing that I would counterclaim him or not, he can only be the Recruiter if he recruited a RBer N0 and claimed the RB his minion took; but then the same would be true of Yos2 counterclaiming on N0; unless Yos2 is the other RBer and was recruited N0 by Chrono.
TL;DR
- One of the recruiters is either RC, Andrius, or I. Flameaxe and Chrono are cult together.
UNVOTE:
xvart.
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:44 pm
by xvart
Shit, I should have waited for Yos2 to claim... If he had claimed flavor text N0 then we would know he, Chrono, and Flameaxe are all on the same faction.
xvart.
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:58 pm
by Porochaz
You haven't claimed as far as I can see. You can wait until yos2 has claimed but now you've revealed what your looking for, is there much point?
Erg0 (ReaperCharlie, Andrius)
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