↑Nachomamma8 wrote:So far, we have a weak cop inventor who gifts the cop to a scummy designated target who investigates whoever they want...?
Almost fully correct. In this plan each cop investigates the cop from the previous night, not whoever they want.
Makes sense, I approve.
Why are you all trying to lynch hiplop? In your most recent wall, the main reason seemed to be "lurking".
Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:55 am
by Sonic Boom
NACHO MAMMA!
Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:56 am
by T S O
Mollie's replace-out seems rather out of character for her and I know she prefers town to scum. This was the only game she replaced out of, though I don't know if she was in others.
It could be because her and MS have recently had problems? It's not really clear to me why she did it.
Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:56 am
by Sonic Boom
↑Nachomamma8 wrote:Why are you all trying to lynch hiplop?
↑Nachomamma8 wrote:So far, we have a weak cop inventor who gifts the cop to a scummy designated target who investigates whoever they want...?
Almost fully correct. In this plan each cop investigates the cop from the previous night, not whoever they want.
Yes.
We were given the weak cop N1, and investigated SC. Thus SC can only be town or godfather. Given PRs are given away in these games, SC being godfather is in the category of remote but not perfectly clear.
Whoever gets the weak cop then cops us. This forces scum to shoot their mislynch or have me confirmed as town. While generally I suck as conftown, Sonic does not.
The inventor keeps giving the weak cop to scummy people. This forces a massive chain of clears OR uses the cop as a second lynch because scum kill who was checked the previous night.
Example time
Example 1 (Scum get the cop checking an unknown party)
Adam checking Brian who previously checked Sonic Boom who checked SC.
In this scenario, we assume Adam is scum. If Adam deviates from the plan it is a scumclaim. Adam has no choice but to sit on the inventor and claim Brian is towntown, regardless of Brian's actual alignment.
Scum could only kill Brian if he is town, but the moment scum stop killing the people who are to be checked, it sends up a neon flag that the last cop (Brian) is scum and so is Adam.
Example 2:
Same scenario but Adam is town. Adam will check Brian.
If Brian is scum, then Adam will die.
If Brian is town, Adam will live.
If there are two deaths on any given night, we know to lynch the last person in the train. Therefore, if scum ever get the weak cop, they must nk or sacrifice a buddy. Even then, the inventor will still see its one hell of a coincidence that only one person died AND that person was the weak cop recipient.
Scum cannot merely just kill every person on the line, because eventually there is a scum that will get the weak cop. If scum have been chain shooting the clears and they suddenly stop, whoever is not dead is suddenly suspicious. Even if they take this approach (in our scenario that means killing us as SC should get the commute), then the scum kill is co-opted to be a second lynch on scummy players.
TLDR
Scum have weak cop, they must claim the person in front of them in the weak chain is town.
Town gets the weak cop, then it's town clears or very hard nk options for scum.
It is obvious we are not the inventor as the weak cop inventor cannot gift themselves. Do not hint at who you would give the cop to. The weak cop inventor can claim as an innocent child at this point.
Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:57 am
by Sonic Boom
↑T S O wrote:Mollie's replace-out seems rather out of character for her and I know she prefers town to scum. This was the only game she replaced out of, though I don't know if she was in others.
It could be because her and MS have recently had problems? It's not really clear to me why she did it.
Yes.
Let's not talk about that.
~Sonic
(Hi Titus!)
Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:58 am
by Sonic Boom
↑Sonic Boom wrote:While generally I suck as conftown, Sonic does not.
I was a town read to him like an hour ago, and he just said "i prefer boom, but only slightly"
excuse me? Blatant oppurtunism. I honestly thought town was no matter what getting lynched today and thats why I was all depressed, but youre totally scum.
In the nick of time, hiplop quickly changes a read from town to 'totally scum' for weak reasoning and it just so happens to be the only other person that has a chance at getting lynched. He couldn't just admit this is a survival vote, but that's most likely what it is...
2. Sonic Boom claimed at the start of today that they were neighborized by Bins last night. hiplop voted Sonic Boom because he thought they were lying, even though this is easily confirmable and there's no logical reason why Sonic Boom would lie about this.
Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 6:06 am
by Shakira Confirmed
I'd also be okay with lynching Ika at this point.
-Flum
Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 6:07 am
by Shakira Confirmed
Also, when Sonic Boom can find the time, I would like the paraphrase of the private topic. It would help me out.
Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 6:12 am
by Nachomamma8
↑Shakira Confirmed wrote:I'd also be okay with lynching Ika at this point.
-Flum
Ika is a bad vote.
Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 6:18 am
by Sonic Boom
Sonic, can you do that paraphrase for me? I am about to head out the door again. I will try to be on Skype tonight (my time) so we can sync up.
I was a town read to him like an hour ago, and he just said "i prefer boom, but only slightly"
excuse me? Blatant oppurtunism. I honestly thought town was no matter what getting lynched today and thats why I was all depressed, but youre totally scum.
In the nick of time, hiplop quickly changes a read from town to 'totally scum' for weak reasoning and it just so happens to be the only other person that has a chance at getting lynched. He couldn't just admit this is a survival vote, but that's most likely what it is...
2. Sonic Boom claimed at the start of today that they were neighborized by Bins last night. hiplop voted Sonic Boom because he thought they were lying, even though this is easily confirmable and there's no logical reason why Sonic Boom would lie about this.
I did it because she did the same, and I thought she was scum. She looked to be doing what youre accusing me of, and it made me change my views of her.
Can't believe a lynch on me is happening. Bins and i were obvious counterwagons to protecting boom
Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 6:32 am
by hiplop
Wickedest, I care about finding scum. I just know we
already have
with boom and flubber. I'd be fine with either of their heads, and thats why I'm lacking in things to say!
Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 6:59 am
by Nachomamma8
↑hiplop wrote:Wickedest, I care about finding scum. I just know we
already have
with boom and flubber. I'd be fine with either of their heads, and thats why I'm lacking in things to say!
Why do you think those two are scum?
Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:00 am
by Nachomamma8
↑hiplop wrote:Can't believe a lynch on me is happening. Bins and i were obvious counterwagons to protecting boom
Being a counter wagon to a mislynch wagon doesn't necessarily make someone scum.
Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:09 am
by Nachomamma8
↑Bins wrote:I will probably switch to hiplop to survivalism vote but I won't like it.
↑Bins wrote:I was originally using it on Shakira. But I switched to Hiplop. But now since Hiplop might die and Shakira might get NK'd, I'm using it on someone else.
Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:11 am
by Nachomamma8
↑hiplop wrote:I did it because she did the same, and I thought she was scum. She looked to be doing what youre accusing me of, and it made me change my views of her.
I can see why you'd think this based on the progression from #1437 - #1643, but #1648 seems to clear that up pretty solidly.
I'll get to this for sure tomorrowish and probably just read from the start of D2.
Anything integral I should know from the first bit?
From Day 1?
Kari - Didn't do anything day 1 other than announce a few V/LA
vezokpiraka - Near global town read I think? Wanted/wants hiplop lynched and that Sonic is town
Aristophanes - Mac didn't really do anything other than scum it up in the first few posts. It's your replacement though so.
Sonic Boom - Tried to get hiplop lynched. A bunch of people think they're scum including my other head. I'm on the fence and see both point of views.
ZZZX - See Vezok
Wickedestjr - From day 1 I don't really remember much. He was on Bins. He's been doing more today so that's nice. I should check him out because he was a null for me.
Lying Cat - Lots of people are scum reading them, myself included. Pushed for Bins day 1 and think Sonic is scum.
mastin2 - I won't go too in depth to keep it nice and just say she pushed Bins day 1. She also thinks that Sonic was scum and yesterday said Hiplop was scummy but not scum.
hiplop - Was at L-1 yesterday and would have been lynched if I had remembered to check in a bit sooner. (Or if one of the others off the wagon did it too)
Shakira Confirmed - I'm confirmed town if Sonic Boom is town.
Nachomamma8 - Tere wanted either Bins, Sonic, or Hiplop lynched. Compromised on Hiplop.
ika - Didn't do anything yesterday. (Actually)
Jaqen Hghar - Pushed for Bins thinking that when she claimed she had a day power, that she meant she had a vote.
Flubbernugget - He went on the hiplop wagon pretty early yesterday too.
Cerberus v666 - Wanted Hiplop lynched yesterday.
T S O - Ank wanted Sonic lynched, but compromoised on Hiplop.
I'll get to this for sure tomorrowish and probably just read from the start of D2.
Anything integral I should know from the first bit?
From Day 1?
Kari - Didn't do anything day 1 other than announce a few V/LA
vezokpiraka - Near global town read I think? Wanted/wants hiplop lynched and that Sonic is town
Aristophanes - Mac didn't really do anything other than scum it up in the first few posts. It's your replacement though so.
Sonic Boom - Tried to get hiplop lynched. A bunch of people think they're scum including my other head. I'm on the fence and see both point of views.
ZZZX - See Vezok
Wickedestjr - From day 1 I don't really remember much. He was on Bins. He's been doing more today so that's nice. I should check him out because he was a null for me.
Lying Cat - Lots of people are scum reading them, myself included. Pushed for Bins day 1 and think Sonic is scum.
mastin2 - I won't go too in depth to keep it nice and just say she pushed Bins day 1. She also thinks that Sonic was scum and yesterday said Hiplop was scummy but not scum.
hiplop - Was at L-1 yesterday and would have been lynched if I had remembered to check in a bit sooner. (Or if one of the others off the wagon did it too)
Shakira Confirmed - I'm confirmed town if Sonic Boom is town.
Nachomamma8 - Tere wanted either Bins, Sonic, or Hiplop lynched. Compromised on Hiplop.
ika - Didn't do anything yesterday. (Actually)
Jaqen Hghar - Pushed for Bins thinking that when she claimed she had a day power, that she meant she had a vote.
Flubbernugget - He went on the hiplop wagon pretty early yesterday too.
Cerberus v666 - Wanted Hiplop lynched yesterday.
T S O - Ank wanted Sonic lynched, but compromoised on Hiplop.
Bins - R.I.P.
If I'm wrong on any of these correct me.
(Please delete the slip mod <3)
Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:38 am
by Shakira Confirmed
Actually, I re-checked Ika and he's still a slight town read.
Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:49 am
by Sonic Boom
↑Shakira Confirmed wrote:Also, when Sonic Boom can find the time, I would like the paraphrase of the private topic. It would help me out.
Spoiler: PARAPHRASE OF PT
sonic: OMGEEEEEEEEEZ
sonic: WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
sonic: I LOVE BINS
sonic: I got 2 presents! 1 is weak cop 1 is your neighbor <3 THIS IS A PERFECT COMBINATION did you give me both?
sonic: BINS IS CONFTOWN WHEEEE
sonic: if bins is scum i just fucked us
sonic: bins hurry up and say you're town so i can be happy
sonic: then titus and i will discuss our weak cop target so if we hit scum you can send out results after we die
bins: i didnt send both. i'm sorry for saying that i scumread you but it is so that people wont suspect that you are my target. i'm pretty mad we no lynched. i want hiplop dead. flips are good
titus: yeah hiplop is obvscum. lets use our weak cop on scum. who is scum? lets check SC. oh and bins was too obv i caught your crumb so easily
titus: sorry for being not discreet
titus: cerb is also good
sonic: the only issue is if bins is scum. because if she is scum she might announce our target wrongly. but whatever YOLO
sonic: cerb or SC?
bins: i am not scum. i only chose to target you at the last minute because titus called me out. previously i wanted to target zzzx
bins: my plan was to target you, zx, or SC. i kept switching
bins: im townreading both heads of SC. more flum that marquis. he is acting weird but i cant read him anyway. also thats why i didnt share reads cause i can put them here
bins: i hate how pts dont show up in ego search
sonic: yeah its pretty slow
sonic: marquis is suspicious as fuck!
sonic: the plan is: we trust that bins is town and we cop someone. if there are 2 deaths, one of which is us, we got a guilty and bins report. if only we died, we cant trust the results. but you can suspect the target. if we didnt die, we got conftown and you neighbor them
bins: i would love an inno on SC so we can party
bins: marquis is weirdo but i scumread him even when i'm hydraing with him lololol
bins: i don't think you'll get NKed. so the weak cop inventor is smart
sonic: lol i scumread mollie when im hydraing with her
sonic: ok lets cop SC
sonic: now thats settled lets talk about life
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everything else beyond this point is irrelevant.
↑Cerberus v666 wrote:I believe you were talking about scum skipping a kill in order to frame someone, correct? So the scum gave up a kill to attempt to get town to mislynch. Perhaps I misunderstood you and there was some other plan you suggested scum could utilize?
No. A man is saying scum killing someone other than the one designated for night investigation. The next day, especially since some are already raising godfather paranoia, all the WIFOM is present for scum to easy join/push a mislynch on the town they are letting live the night before. All it is taking to pull this off is scum killing 2-3 designees in a row then skipping one. After that it's simple enough to keep screwing with town with on again off again kills of the one they are knkwing is to be investigated (since Lying Cat is advocating investigating the Cop from the day before which consequently isn't directing scum to kill the target we are finding the most scummy).
A man isn't saying anything about scum no killing. That's a different strategy all together.
Did you just call everyone here idiots? I think you just did.
If they skip killing in the chain, the person who was most recent investigator has the result they gave us confirmed. We have a bit of doubt about the current investigator, sure, but the problem with any sort of "play" made by scum off the back of this is 1) It's a WEAK cop. We need a chain of lying scum being gifted the cop power and not investigating who they said they would investigate for us to not know that their target was scum. 2) A single investigation made by non-scum is enough to clear up any uncertainty.
Nacho: There is also a commute inventor in the game. In the current game state we can protect the cop inventor indefinitely if they are forced to reveal themselves in order to sort out who they gifted their invention to.
BTW, I fully intend to vote hiplop. I can't get over him living through yesterday, it's absurd. If he's the designated mislynch, bravo scum, but I don't see any reason why I should think he's town.
Sonic seems pretty obvtown to me, but even if I'm wrong, why the hell would we lynch sonic when the plan I agree with, which is endorsed by them, involves their slot getting investigated tonight? There is exactly one circumstance where scum likes and supports the current plan, and that's if there is a bus driver, and at that point they can keep feeding us false town results. How do we avoid that scenario? By stating now that we are going to lynch a chain somewhere early in this "conftown" chain, before we get to mylo. That ensures that even if scum is using our plan to feed fake results, we catch them at it and then have a nice list of coordinating scum to work from.
Sonic Boom: The odds of SC being godfather are minute. Unless the mod didn't consider that interaction when they chose to make the cop investigation a weak cop, and are thus now deciding that weak cops must survive targeting godfathers in order to maintain the integrity of the intent of the setup, it's wholly irrational for a weak cop on a godfather to allow the cop to survive.