Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[Shoshin]

Yeah, Gustavo's town. I agree with your reads except the townread on Key and the strong scumread on Irrelephant.

Can you talk to me about those?

Yeah, I was going to go down the line but I want to cross-check with their previous games so give me a bit.

Instead of going down the line, can you start with these two and then your scumreads?

[BlackVoid]

I'll talk about Irrelephant first. So, the first time I saw him play was in Newbie 1869. I went back and checked if my first impression was right but basically his play was much more focused. He enters with a very confident "

Here's the deal everyone. Scum is OnTheMark, with a small outside chance of Lion.

" Then he keeps his focus on OnTheMark (who actually

was

scum), makes a case, discusses with Shoshin about GuiltyLion potentially being scum. It appears towards the end that he might be being swayed but eventually sticks to his original OnTheMark push and goes through with lynching him and winning the game for town. Key things I noticed were 1) Confidence, 2) Narrow focus (mostly on just one player), 3) Heavy casing and pushing for the lynch of that player.

Here on the other hand, I don't see the same kind of focus. He votes lots of people often as their wagons are picking up steam. He's a lot more hedgy. His arguments are much less strong and impactful. Irrelephant isn't really pushing for anyone's lynch. He's following the consensus. I feel like for someone who displayed the kind of confidence he did upon entering that newbie game, after 90 pages of insanely content-dense posting, he'd at least have some reads that he'd want to go out on a limb to push here. I also don't think his arguments for any of his pushes or townreads are strong at all (I've commented on what I didn't like in my catchup). I felt like based on that game, if he were town here, he'd be posting at least something that would resonate with me. He does have scumreads but they often keep changing in ways that I can't really get behind the thought process underlying them and there's an element of following the crowd. This happened a lot D2 with his vote switches. But also, his D1 stance on Gamma felt more like he just let the lynch go through as opposed to actively influence it whereas in his towngame, he was pretty heavy in making sure his voice was heard.

[Shoshin]

Have you read his scum game?

[BlackVoid]

Not yet. I have it open in another tab but I don't have context so it'll take a little while to parse.

[brassherald]

And then, there's the fifth cousins that both became Presidents. Theodore Roosevelt and Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

Votecount 2.9

momrangal (4)

~ Bernie Sanders, skitter30, Errantparabola, the worst,

the worst (2)

~ Keyser Soze, Nauci

Shoshin (1)

~ Gustavo

Keyser Soze (1)

~ shoshin

Gustavo (1)

~ Not_Mafia

Not Voting (2): BlackVoid, Momrangal,Irrelephant11

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2018-07-15 20:30:00)

[BlackVoid]

Heading to work but I'll be back at around midnight (~7hours) if anyone wants to discuss stuff. I'll compile my questions for TheWorst then as well.

[Gustavo]

I guess I’ll talk to brass. Hey brass. You’ve provided some very cool presidential facts. Are you going to be a politician one day?

[brassherald]

I guess I’ll talk to brass. Hey brass. You’ve provided some very cool presidential facts. Are you going to be a politician one day?

Absolutely not. I took a course on the American Presidency in undergrad.

[Gustavo]

Cool

[the worst]

BRASS FOR PRESIDENT

[Gustavo]

Anyone is better than chump.

[Momrangal]

If you do have the time to respond to things, I think that the most important things to look at are BS's ISO and the worst's ISO -- i would be most interested to know where you stand on those two.

Don't have it in me to ISO anyone right now, but I've made my stance clear on BS and (despite his saying otherwise) he's been my focus for today. The only thing he's gotten right is the fact that I'm not voting him mostly because I'm just one vote

Worst is leaving much to be desired but the way he's playing around with certain softs still has me wary about going there.

That said, I reached out to two people today regarding Bernie and of both only one responded back.

[Shoshin]

I don't think Bernie's scum, Mom.

[Gustavo]

Yeah, I'm noticing that as well. Very difficult to get people to work as a team here.

Hey sho, what happened to this person? Why are you so anti-working together this game?

[Momrangal]

FTR vla should only stop a wagon d1 because it's about content/pressure then. I kind of just want flip now.

Also, Skitter Bernie admitted right here that he was aiming to push me to lynch and that my V/la means fuck all

[Shoshin]

Yeah, I'm noticing that as well. Very difficult to get people to work as a team here.

Hey sho, what happened to this person? Why are you so anti-working together this game?

I've been trying to work with everyone... You're the one who refuses to work with me. I tried discussing reads with you but all you want to do is tell me how I'm scum when I know I'm not.

[Bernie Sanders]

FTR vla should only stop a wagon d1 because it's about content/pressure then. I kind of just want flip now.

Also, Skitter Bernie admitted right here that he was aiming to push me to lynch and that my V/la means fuck all

Today, yeah.

[Gustavo]

FTR vla should only stop a wagon d1 because it's about content/pressure then. I kind of just want flip now.

Also, Skitter Bernie admitted right here that he was aiming to push me to lynch and that my V/la means fuck all

He says that v/la should stop a wagon. That means he isn’t pushing to a lynch. We would learn nothing if you were lynched day 1 while on v/la and no townie worth his shit would allow that to happen.

[Gustavo]

Oh wait we are day 2.

Never mind. That’s more scum points for bernie.

We should never lynch somebody while on v/la regardless of day

[Gustavo]

More reasons to dislike the mom wagon. I don’t even have a read on mom but like the reasons just suck

[Bernie Sanders]

Don't have it in me to ISO anyone right now, but I've made my stance clear on BS and (despite his saying otherwise) he's been my focus for today. The only thing he's gotten right is the fact that I'm not voting him mostly because I'm just one vote

I guess people can cross reference this but this is like really really bizarre to me.

[Shoshin]

What's bizarre about it?

[Bernie Sanders]

Gustavo my concern of why wagoning momrangal might have been risky EOD d1 doesn't exist today.

[Momrangal]

I don't think Bernie's scum, Mom.

And you keep on saying this, but I'm not seeing where Bernie could be town.

The way he's even treating me today is not only not true regarding my conviction and pushes, he's continuously just pushing me down and doing the exact thing he said I was, that being that he isn't even entirely committing to me.

I know you asked about ele earlier too, and he was solid D1. He was working with people, and it looked like he had an agenda of discerning what people were thinking and what motivations could be. What irritates me the most is that he seems to be reading activity as alignment indicative in multiple people and D2 the paranoia he shows is pretty consistent with how I expect town to react

[Bernie Sanders]

What's bizarre about it?

My focus has been on (X) this entire day but I've not voted him because it would just be one vote so what's the point.