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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:56 am
by AP
In post 2215, Bingle wrote:FWIW, actual AP meta:

ime AP tends to refuge in audacity as scum. Reading him is very much like reading FL, in that you look at what he wants to achieve and not how he goes about achieving it. Grain of salt, the vast majority of our interactions are modding, so it's untested, but that's my 50 cents.
I concede there are similarities to my play with that of FL's. I'm not going into details, but the statement above is vaguely true.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:59 am
by AP
In post 2222, Vecna wrote:Im still sitting here, not sure if I made a big mistake or not.
Listen. If you're town you have nothing to worry about. I will reassert that I'm the NK on N1/N2, unless scum want to lose this game. You're being skeptical about it. Fine. Just wait and see.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:05 am
by AP
In post 2223, Vecna wrote:It doesnt feel like A50 wants to convince me of anything.
This is kind of true, and I already told you why. You just shrugged it off. Let me try again:

remember when you approached me about the Nero TR? Remember
WHY
I said I won't explain it to you? It's because you are one of those player that are so hard headed and cannot be easily convinced of something against what you already have decided to be true. It's better to let you reach the conclusions yourself than to consume (and drain) my energy trying to convince you of something you're against.

So, yes. I am not trying to convince of anything right now. Certain reveals will in duo time.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:06 am
by AP
In post 2223, Vecna wrote:More that he wants to show everyone how bad my reasoning is.
No. that post was directed at YOU, but -unfortunately- it's against the rules for me to try to PM it to you instead.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:08 am
by AP
In post 2223, Vecna wrote:Shouldnt he be trying to convince people.momo is scum? Direct the lynch to momo or HH, Which were the centrepieces of most of his recent posts?
Mate, they're being given Inactive & Timid. That's good enough, isn't it?

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:10 am
by AP
See? THIS is one of the main differences between my play and yours. I do NOT claim my reads are gospel. They're not. They're my reads and I am well aware they can be wrong and will probably change with a couple of flips.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:20 am
by AP
In post 2223, Vecna wrote:Instead he attacks me because I dare.use meta in a post.
Wrong again. That post was made BEFORE the Iconeum proposal was finally shot down. It was 4-6 at the time, which does look like going down, but -as you saw- you don't take anything for granted in this game until it officially is. I was @L-1 at one point, so why would I/you assume against @-1 = against hammered?

But that is just me being equally as silly as you are being right now. The fact is I do hate people claiming they have meta knowledge of my play when they really don't. At least one other player in this game has been yelled at before for that specific reason (and I'm NOT talking about Maria. I'm talking about someone else).

If you do insist on using meta arguments, then at least make it an accurate one. Like "he did exactly this in this game which wasn't so long ago".

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:28 am
by AP
In post 2226, Vecna wrote:Can someone, or better yet, a few people, give reasons for why this is a good lynch? Put my mind at ease. let me know why youre behind this lynch (without pointing to something someone else has said).
ISO him. It's mot such a big ISO either. Only apthet has posted less from the original players list

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:39 am
by AP
In post 2242, pisskop wrote:
In post 2203, Bingle wrote:PK can't be town. He's a thief. A hooligan. A marauder!
A cool guy would let me sheep his proposal and let me take the credit . . . :oops:
Mate, you've just hard scum claimed!! Nobody calls Jingle a cool guy and gets away with it!

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:40 am
by AP
In post 2244, popsofctown wrote:Fox
Falco
Marth Sheik
Rock me Amadeus

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:42 am
by AP
In post 2245, pisskop wrote:I feel like I have a better grasp on Boons
You spelled it with an N!!

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:45 am
by AP
In post 2246, pisskop wrote:
In post 2244, popsofctown wrote:Fox Falco Marth Sheik
I purposely chose
falco
, gannon, link, and luigi
Not again! :facepalm:

OK. here goes...

Rock me all the time to the top
Er war ein Punker
Und er lebte in der großen Stadt
Es war in Wien, war Vienna
Wo er alles tat
Er hatte Schulden denn er trank
Doch ihn liebten alle Frauen
Und jede rief
Come and rock me Amadeus
Er war Superstar
Er war populär
Er war so exaltiert
Because er hatte Flair
Er war ein Virtuose
Er war ein Rockidol
Und alles rief
Come and rock me Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, oh, oh, oh Amadeus
Come and rock me Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, oh, oh, oh Amadeus
Ey
Es war um siebzehn hundert achtzig
Und es war in Wien
No plastic money anymore
Die Banken gegen ihn
Woher die Schulden kamen
War wohl jedermann bekannt
Er war ein Mann der Frauen
Frauen liebten seinen Punk
Er war Superstar
Er war populär
Er war so exaltiert
Genau das war sein Flair
Er war ein Virtuose
War ein Rockidol
Und alles ruft
Come and rock me Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, oh, oh, oh Amadeus
Come and rock me Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, oh, oh, oh Amadeus
Come and rock me Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, oh, oh, oh Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus, oh, oh, oh Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus, Amadeus
Amadeus

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:06 pm
by Bingle
In post 2226, Vecna wrote:Why werent you so inquisitive when icon got put on the chopping block?
Because he's unwilling to engage, and I'm the one who put him there in the first place?

I specifically laid out what I found objectionable and his answers were complaining about how people were letting AP slide, AtE about how "maybe I can help by being lynched", and assertions without reasons (I strongly believe AP is a better lynch than CT doesn't tell me why AP is a better lynch than CT).

He specifically refused the attempt to engage over it. I've brought up a few times how it seems really strange to me that Ico was perfectly happy to shop out the proposal to LUV, and then when LUV gave him a proposal to make the only change was that he switched the lynch target from one of his suspects to a different one of his suspects, with no reasoning as to why.

Since then the pisskop thing has definitely not helped any.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:08 pm
by Bingle
In post 2226, Vecna wrote:You seemed to want a lot of insurrance for the A50 lynch
What do you mean by this, btw?

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:51 pm
by callforjudgement
Game statusFailed proposals:
Spoiler: momo's proposal
For
(4): momo, AP, Iconeum, pisskop
Against
(7): Hidden Happiness, popsofctown, Nero Cain, Bingle, Creature, Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna
Not voting
(3): apthet, CheekyTeeky, Gamma Emerald
Spoiler: Vecna's proposal
For
(2): Vecna, Lil Uzi Vert
Against
(7): Creature, Bingle, Nero Cain, popsofctown, momo, CheekyTeeky, AP
Not voting
(5): Iconeum, pisskop, apthet, Gamma Emerald, Hidden Happiness
Spoiler: popsofctown's proposal
For
(5): Bingle, pisskop, CheekyTeeky, momo, Gamma Emerald
Against
(7): Hidden Happiness, Creature, Vecna, Nero Cain, AP, popsofctown, Lil Uzi Vert
Not voting
(2): Iconeum, apthet
Spoiler: Lil Uzi Vert's proposal
For
(2): Lil Uzi Vert, Creature
Against
(7): AP, Hidden Happiness, popsofctown, momo, Nero Cain, Bingle, Vecna
Not voting
(5): Iconeum, apthet, pisskop, CheekyTeeky, Gamma Emerald
Spoiler: AP's proposal
For
(2): AP, Gamma Emerald
Against
(7): popsofctown, Lil Uzi Vert, Hidden Happiness, Bingle, Nero Cain, Vecna, momo
Not voting
(5): Iconeum, apthet, pisskop, CheekyTeeky, Creature
Spoiler: Hidden Happiness's proposal
For
(1): Hidden Happiness
Against
(7): Vecna, Gamma Emerald, CheekyTeeky, AP, popsofctown, Lil Uzi Vert, momo
Not voting
(6): Iconeum, apthet, pisskop, Creature, Bingle, Nero Cain
Spoiler: Iconeum's proposal
For
(3): Iconeum, momo, Lil Uzi Vert
Against
(7): Gamma Emerald, AP, Nero Cain, CheekyTeeky, Vecna, popsofctown, Hidden Happiness
Not voting
(4): apthet, pisskop, Creature, Bingle
Current proposal
(by pisskop):
For
(6): pisskop, popsofctown, Hidden Happiness, AP, Gamma Emerald, Bingle
Against
(1): Iconeum
Not voting
(7): apthet, Creature, momo, Lil Uzi Vert, Nero Cain, CheekyTeeky, Vecna

List of roles to distribute

Proposal available
(6): Bingle, apthet, Nero Cain, CheekyTeeky, Gamma Emerald, Creature
Proposal unavailable
(8): momo, Vecna, popsofctown, Lil Uzi Vert, AP, Hidden Happiness, Iconeum, pisskop

To end day with a particular role assignment, one player must propose it, and 8 players vote for it.
Nero Cain is V/LA until Internet connection troubles are fixed.
Iconeum is V/LA this weekend.
Deadline is currently 00:05 UTC on Monday 5 August (
automatic countdown: (expired on 2019-08-05 00:05:00)
). It will be extended when a proposal is made.

Unofficial vote count
CheekyTeeky
(1): popsofctown
Hidden Happiness
(1): Iconeum
Vecna
(1): Hidden Happiness
momo
(1): pisskop

These votes don't do anything, but I'm counting them anyway.

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:11 pm
by Gollum
At&t didn't come today so I have no clue when my net is getting fixed so I'll just alt post till then if it's ok with the mod.

I'm going to reiterate that giving me if just gets me shot but hopefully I'll have solved b4 then

Has there been anything important besides ap tryharding?

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:42 pm
by Vecna
youre getting the icon lynch you wanted, it seems like.

Also, thanks, ap, I guess?

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:43 pm
by Vecna
alright. Lets see then.

VOTE: for

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:56 pm
by Lil Uzi Vert
VOTE: For

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:27 pm
by callforjudgement
Game statusFailed proposals:
Spoiler: momo's proposal
For
(4): momo, AP, Iconeum, pisskop
Against
(7): Hidden Happiness, popsofctown, Nero Cain, Bingle, Creature, Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna
Not voting
(3): apthet, CheekyTeeky, Gamma Emerald
Spoiler: Vecna's proposal
For
(2): Vecna, Lil Uzi Vert
Against
(7): Creature, Bingle, Nero Cain, popsofctown, momo, CheekyTeeky, AP
Not voting
(5): Iconeum, pisskop, apthet, Gamma Emerald, Hidden Happiness
Spoiler: popsofctown's proposal
For
(5): Bingle, pisskop, CheekyTeeky, momo, Gamma Emerald
Against
(7): Hidden Happiness, Creature, Vecna, Nero Cain, AP, popsofctown, Lil Uzi Vert
Not voting
(2): Iconeum, apthet
Spoiler: Lil Uzi Vert's proposal
For
(2): Lil Uzi Vert, Creature
Against
(7): AP, Hidden Happiness, popsofctown, momo, Nero Cain, Bingle, Vecna
Not voting
(5): Iconeum, apthet, pisskop, CheekyTeeky, Gamma Emerald
Spoiler: AP's proposal
For
(2): AP, Gamma Emerald
Against
(7): popsofctown, Lil Uzi Vert, Hidden Happiness, Bingle, Nero Cain, Vecna, momo
Not voting
(5): Iconeum, apthet, pisskop, CheekyTeeky, Creature
Spoiler: Hidden Happiness's proposal
For
(1): Hidden Happiness
Against
(7): Vecna, Gamma Emerald, CheekyTeeky, AP, popsofctown, Lil Uzi Vert, momo
Not voting
(6): Iconeum, apthet, pisskop, Creature, Bingle, Nero Cain
Spoiler: Iconeum's proposal
For
(3): Iconeum, momo, Lil Uzi Vert
Against
(7): Gamma Emerald, AP, Nero Cain, CheekyTeeky, Vecna, popsofctown, Hidden Happiness
Not voting
(4): apthet, pisskop, Creature, Bingle
Current proposal
(by pisskop):
For
(8): pisskop, popsofctown, Hidden Happiness, AP, Gamma Emerald, Bingle, Vecna, Lil Uzi Vert
Against
(1): Iconeum
Not voting
(5): apthet, Creature, momo, Nero Cain, CheekyTeeky

List of roles to distribute

Proposal available
(6): Bingle, apthet, Nero Cain, CheekyTeeky, Gamma Emerald, Creature
Proposal unavailable
(8): momo, Vecna, popsofctown, Lil Uzi Vert, AP, Hidden Happiness, Iconeum, pisskop

To end day with a particular role assignment, one player must propose it, and 8 players vote for it.
Nero Cain is V/LA until Internet connection troubles are fixed.
Deadline was 00:05 UTC on Monday 5 August (
automatic countdown: (expired on 2019-08-05 00:05:00)
).


The proposal has passed!


Each player gains a new role…

Hidden Happiness,
Timid

Iconeum,
Compulsive Quitter

popsofctown,
Neighbour

Bingle,
Day 3 King

apthet,
Inventor

Nero Cain,
Day 5 Innocent Child

momo,
Inactive

Vecna,
Neighbour

CheekyTeeky,
1-shot Gladiator

AP,
Vanilla

Gamma Emerald,
Odd-Night Motion Detector

Lil Uzi Vert,
Macho

pisskop,
Night 1 Universal Backup

Creature,
Miller


Iconeum quits!

Iconeum, Multitasking Town Compulsive Quitter, quit day 1.


Night falls. If you've gained a Night action, then now is the time to use it. The night deadline is 05:30 UTC on Thursday 25 July (
automatic countdown: (expired on 2019-07-25 05:30:00)
). Note that if you have a Night action and do
not
wish to use it, you should tell me that explicitly, rather than simply not sending a message.

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:57 pm
by callforjudgement
Vecna
was eliminated overnight. He was a
Multitasking Town Neighbour
.
Hidden Happiness
may not propose today.

Here are the roles you get to allocate for Day 2! Each role must be given to one player, and each player must get a role.

Day 2 Role Call
  • Night 2 Bulletproof
    (
    Passive
    ,
    Protective
    ): You are not a valid target for the Mafia's Night 2 elimination (unless you are also Macho).
  • (
    Day
    ): Once each Day, you may via PM to the moderator choose a player and a targeted
    Night
    action (other than a
    Factional
    action), along with a suggestion for that action's target. During the following Night, if the chosen player has access to the chosen action, they will be told what the suggested target is, and have the choice of using the action on the suggested target or of not using the action at all – they cannot choose to use it on anyone else.
  • Chronomage
    (
    Night
    ,
    Protective
    ): Once each Night, you may choose a player to "time-delay": if that player is eliminated that Night, they will be able to continue posting until the end of the following Day (but not to receive roles from proposals that Day); if that player would receive information from the moderator that Night, that information is delayed until the end of the following Day.
  • (
    Passive
    ): When voting on proposals, your vote is counted twice. (This may increase the number of votes required for a proposal to pass.)
  • (
    Passive
    ): You will gain access to read and post in the Neighbour private topic, and may use it to discuss the game with the other players there.
  • (
    Passive
    ): On Day 3 only, you may not post if you've already posted 4 times in the previous 24 hours, and may not make posts more than 50 words long. The first violation of this restriction will lead to a warning (and editing of the offending post); further violations will lead to loss of your proposal (if you still have it) or vote (if you don't).
  • (
    Night
    ): Once each Night, you may investigate a player for unused elimination abilities: at the end of the Night, you will learn whether or not that player has an unused ability to Eliminate someone. (Players who cannot Eliminate someone, and players who can but already have, will give the same result.)
  • Revisor
    (
    Day
    ): Once each day, when a proposal has been open for voting for 3 or more hours, you may by bold-post in the thread modify that proposal by swapping two roles on it. Doing so will reset the vote count, but not refund the author's ability to propose.
  • Night 3 Compulsive Role Caller
    (
    Night
    ): On Night 3, you will be shown a list of all roles available for proposals on Day 4. You
    must
    choose one of them; this choice will be publicly announced at the start of Day 4, and all proposals must give it to you.
  • (
    Night
    ): Once on each even-numbered Night, you may choose a player to track; at the end of the Night, you will learn who (if anyone) that player targeted with a
    Night
    action.
  • (
    Passive
    ): You count as eliminated for most purposes, but may still post in the game thread and any private threads you have access to.
  • (
    Twilight
    ): You immediately leave the game and are eliminated.
Game statusThere have been no proposals yet today.

List of roles to distribute

Proposal available
(11): momo, popsofctown, Lil Uzi Vert, AP, pisskop, Bingle, apthet, Nero Cain, CheekyTeeky, Gamma Emerald, Creature
Proposal unavailable
(1): Hidden Happiness

To end day with a particular role assignment, one player must propose it, and 7 players vote for it.
Nero Cain is V/LA until Internet connection troubles are fixed.
Deadline is currently 06:00 UTC on Friday 2 August (
automatic countdown: (expired on 2019-08-02 06:00:00)
). It will be extended when a proposal is made.

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:39 pm
by AP
First and foremost; BP should go to Bingle (D3 King). Anything else is negotiable.

I would like for Gamma to claim target and result. apthet should probably claim target and ability given too (the benefits overweigh the downside of it).

Anyone has any idea about why Vecna was the NK, aside from him being a global TR and a trying hard to solve the game? In other words; do we think there are mechanical benefits to the kill?

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:40 pm
by Lil Uzi Vert
Well Vecna was obvious town.

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:41 pm
by Lil Uzi Vert
In post 1803, Vecna wrote:personally, I think A50 + creature + HH/Nero is gamesolve. Ive been wrong before. If this flips town, I disagree with momo that creature should be the lynch tomorrow, but im probabaly getting too stuck in the picture of these connections that might not exist.
Probably this.

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:43 pm
by Lil Uzi Vert
These roles are a lot harder to assign than the previous ones.
All times are UTC-11:00
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