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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:35 pm
by Blair
Oh, you mean the softclaim he said Aloratom made?
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:44 pm
by Blair
"Should that apply."
Nauci is actually right. Natural Action Resolution, and all other forms of night action order resolution, only apply in situations where two roles target each other or otherwise conflict.
So Roleblocker would resolve before Jailkeeper
if the Roleblocker and Jailkeeper target each other.
Not every single time a Roleblocker is jailed.
Dunnstral is essentially suggesting that Roleblockers are
immune
to Jailkeepers (because their action would always resolve first, no matter who they target).
I'm about 99% positive Roleblockers are not immune to Jailkeepers, so Dunnstral is lying here.
Nicely caught, Nauci.
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:50 pm
by Blair
Dunnstral claims to believe that Aloratom is the Jailkeeper, crumbled that they jailed Blair, and Blair roleblocked him, causing him to receive no result Night 1.
This is impossible.
Dunnstral claims it is possible because whenever the two roles conflict, Roleblocker resolves first. But the two roles aren't conflicting unless we target each other, which he is claiming did not occur.
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:52 pm
by Aloratom
Please repeat without using pronouns.
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:54 pm
by Tuxedo Mask
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:00 pm
by Blair
Dunnstral believes that Aloratom is the Jailkeeper
Dunnstral believes Aloratom jailed Blair Night 1
Dunnstral claims Blair is the Roleblocker
Dunnstral claims he received no result Night 1
If the Roleblocker was jailed, and Dunnstral wasn't tracking the Roleblocker, he should have received a result.
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:01 pm
by Blair
(Actually, even if he was tracking the Roleblocker, Dunnstral would receive a result because jailing doesn't block investigations)
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:01 pm
by Aloratom
Thank you.
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:07 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 2252, Blair wrote:But the two roles aren't conflicting unless
we
target each other, which he is claiming did not occur.
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:08 pm
by Blair
The follow up to that is: If Dunnstral were telling the truth, really was the Tracker, and really did receive "No Result" on Night 1, Dunnstral never would have believed that the Jailkeeper targeted the Rolecop, because he would know that was impossible.
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:08 pm
by Blair
Again, Dunn, speaking from your theoretical perspective.
Again with the most predictable low hanging fruit.
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:11 pm
by Blair
This really is the crux of the matter, and the main piece of evidence Dunnstral should be addressing:
In post 2259, Blair wrote:The follow up to that is: If Dunnstral were telling the truth, really was the Tracker, and really did receive "No Result" on Night 1, Dunnstral never would have believed that the Jailkeeper targeted the Rolecop, because he would know that was impossible.
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:12 pm
by Dunnstral
OK, so obviously I misinterpreted what the jailkeeper was doing, because that makes no sense
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:13 pm
by Dunnstral
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:16 pm
by Blair
In post 2262, Dunnstral wrote:OK, so obviously I misinterpreted what the jailkeeper was doing, because that makes no sense
It doesn't actually matter if it was true or not (it wasn't, as even you attest now)
What matters is that you claimed you believed it was true while simultaneously claiming you received no result that night.
No one who received No Result would believe that.
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:21 pm
by Dunnstral
I did believe it - I was confused about the roleblocker/jailkeeper thing
Obviouslly the jailkeeper didn't act as I imagined, so it's not a big hangup - that goes to show I'm town, by the way, as mafia I wouldn't be latching onto the wrong soft from the jailkeeper (what was that abotu btw, Aloratom? I think some explaining is in order because the posts I quoted are too clear to me to be a coincidence)
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:27 pm
by Tuxedo Mask
First person to hammer Dunnstral is town cleared. This offer also extends to Dunnstral.
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:27 pm
by Blair
The question everyone needs to ask themselves is:
How could Dunnstral believe we were in A2 (Tracker/Jailkeeper/Roleblocker) and that the Roleblocker was jailed on Night 1, at the same time, when he allegedly received "No Result" on Night 1?
Tracker Dunnstral cannot receive "No Result" unless either the Roleblocker or the Jailkeeper targeted Dunnstral - yet he seriously entertained the idea that neither of those things occurred
for the entirety of this phase up until this moment!
Do you really believe that Dunnstral, who is ostensibly not a new player at all, was genuinely under the impression that Roleblockers are immune to Jailkeepers? Because that is the only conceivable justification and it's... pretty hard to swallow.
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:28 pm
by Dunnstral
If you + Battle mage are adamant on No Lynching today we can do that. Remember that Blair has to try to force the lynch onto me today and if she can't get that and we instead no lynch she loses a lot of steam
VOTE: No Lynch
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:31 pm
by Blair
scum!Blair would love a no lynch right now.
Go ahead, explain why she wouldn't. Explain why scum!Blair has to lynch you today instead of tomorrow.
Nauci dim the lights, Tux grab the popcorn.
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:31 pm
by Tuxedo Mask
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:35 pm
by Blair
It was a sort of tongue in cheek dig.
I... am not always a nice person.
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:38 pm
by Blair
Note as well:
From Dunnstral's perspective, he has, supposedly "caught scum" yet he is not voting for his caught scum. He is voting to no lynch.
Explain why town!Dunnstral thinks lynching me will be easier tomorrow. Is he waiting for an investigative result to further prove my guilt? He claims he already has one, and a Jailkeeper can't clear or condemn anyone anyway.
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:46 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 2124, Dunnstral wrote:Reminder that Blair scum has to try to lynch me today - no lynch isn't good for her
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:47 pm
by Blair
Saying it again =/= Explaining it
