Mini Normal 2169 : random facts, game over !

[iamausername]

now that teacher is actually a presence here, i'm feeling a lot less inclined to believe he's scum. the things he's saying are making a lot of sense, and the things TGP is saying are very much not.

i'd still rather do bob, who is obvscum in all scenarios, but if we are doing a teacher vs. TGP 1v1, pretty sure i'm voting TGP.

bob/{TGP or teacher}/{Alonzo or datisi} is the solve, i think.

can't see TGP/teacher as s/s here, and everyone else is town.

[Alonzo]

Yeah mainly feeling powerless watching one of my top scum reads destroy a slot I'd spent quite alot of time trying to sort overnight.

[Alonzo]

now that teacher is actually a presence here, i'm feeling a lot less inclined to believe he's scum. the things he's saying are making a lot of sense, and the things TGP is saying are very much not.

i'd still rather do bob, who is obvscum in all scenarios, but if we are doing a teacher vs. TGP 1v1, pretty sure i'm voting TGP.

bob/{TGP or teacher}/{Alonzo or datisi} is the solve, i think.

can't see TGP/teacher as s/s here, and everyone else is town.

IV gotta ask about this? How does my trajectory through this game help scum?

[iamausername]

it is simple PoE. i am confident in my town reads on Noraa, Ico & Mena. i am confident in my scumread on bob. i do not have a confident read either way on you or datisi. if my other assumptions are correct, one of you must be scum.

i have no intention of trying to execute either of you before my other assumptions have been proven correct.

[Noraa]

I don't think it was ever as clear as scum! TS = town BM, but that vig theory makes a bit of sense

if there is a vig, then why haven't we had more double kills?

and if there is a vig, i think it should claim sooner then later

wtf why would u encourage a vig if we have one, to out?

idk but I remember being like holy fuck I was right BM is scum. And it was literally one of my most confident reads that I'd ever had. I was so convinced TaylorvBM was TvS that I couldn't believe it myself cuz trust me when I say im normally not confident in my reads ... like ever.

BM faking/gambiting that phoney guilty isn't scum!indicative, it's town indicative

and there's an outside chance there was some kind of interference?

no shit sherlock. there definitely was interference otherwise why would our own town cop/mailman hybrid thingie tunnel a vanilla to death?

Honestly im sorry this isnt that important and shit but like im literally having such a hard time believing scum willingly wasted a nk on BM that im willing to believe just about any theory my fried ass brain can think of rn.

while i disagree that BM was scum for his claim, I do believe scum might just not opt to kill there because of the pressure that would be on BM, and for the fact that BM was a huge interfering factor in town cohesion so… yeah

odd

why all the above posts if ur just gonna end up agreeing with me? scum!ico?

how can you be that certain bm is a scum kill?

why tf would vig shoot me day 1?

i keep feeling the need to respond to you

why certain? because there isn't any evidence of a vig
->no second kill N1
->no second kill N2
->BM CLAIMED A COP, AND GOT MURDERED FOR IT, it's really not that hard

if i had a vig shot N1, i'd have shot you faster then my dog eats a bone (and that's saying something)

so all these points don't really make me feel scum!TGP

And then this post. wtf.

Icos just diverting attention from the important things we have to get done to pissing me off in the thread. So what if my theory is wrong? Im a fucking noob that thought of this damn theory while I was eating lunch one day. If it's wrong, it's wrong. No need to make a big fuss out of it especially when its not even the most important thing here. All ico does is pick at my posts and divert attention. I'm pretty confident ico is one of the scums bc they are making little hurricanes out of nothing.

[Noraa]

I agree I haven't been on the right topic too much as well since I've been really weirded out by what happened last night(bm kill) but like continuing on and engaging me in this topic is not a towny thing to do. Town's main concern rn is finding scum not attacking a dang theory that I already said I didnt know if it was true. Its called a "theory" bc I dont know if its true if that wasn't clear enough.

[Menalque]

BM used his mailman with me last night. He targeted Taylor because she said she wasn't VT on D1, when she did come up as VT he thought he'd busted her for lying and that she was a goon fronting. Then there's a load of stuff about how he had a gambit and everything planned out, and somehow scum misplayed this and elim'd him despite him being incredibly misflippable today (I would have insisted we kill him, although maybe the message would have made me reconsider).

[Noraa]

TGP's posting has been terrible ngl.
His teacher/Noraa solve is complete garbage to put it nicely
Bob's seeming scummy but im more down for a golden lim today
if golden flips green, I actually will be very shocked cuz they have been playing really really scummily

[Menalque]

I thought that all of (alonzo, datisi, bob, teacher) had incredibly bad posts/votes on Taylor, for different reasons.

Alonzo, why were you going on about "LaL tomorrow" on D2? That implies to me that you were expecting Taylor to flip green/not be guilted, and I don't see how that's a reasonable thing for town!you to think.

Datisi limped onto the wagon.

Bob did too.

Teacher hammered in a way that I think was intensely scummy. You check your VC before you're voting, even if you see a guilty, and even if there is a guilty, you don't end the day then and there. I don't think teacher is that careless, I think probably that's a scum hammer. Before that tho, I need alonzo to explain that "LAL tomorrow" thing.

[Menalque]

Smh when there's approx 0 townie slots in this game

[Menalque]

i am confident in my town reads on Noraa, Ico & Mena

I also hate this lol, weren't you like relatively unsure on me on D1? I thought I was in sort of probtown, and I don't see how I've gotten better from there rather than worse, especially given shelly flipping town

[Alonzo]

I thought that all of (alonzo, datisi, bob, teacher) had incredibly bad posts/votes on Taylor, for different reasons.

Alonzo, why were you going on about "LaL tomorrow" on D2? That implies to me that you were expecting Taylor to flip green/not be guilted, and I don't see how that's a reasonable thing for town!you to think.

Datisi limped onto the wagon.

Bob did too.

Teacher hammered in a way that I think was intensely scummy. You check your VC before you're voting, even if you see a guilty, and even if there is a guilty, you don't end the day then and there. I don't think teacher is that careless, I think probably that's a scum hammer. Before that tho, I need alonzo to explain that "LAL tomorrow" thing.

What BM actually said was ' I don't like Alonzo here, btw Taylor is scum'

[iamausername]

i was somewhat unsure about you before that day where you went nuts spamming the thread to force through the shelly execution

that felt like pure town passion.

[Alonzo]

Why didn't BM scan me if he was so suspicious?

Both you and Ico are ignoring the point I stated about Taylor's alignment not being relevant.
This was about my BM read never my Taylor read

[Menalque]

this is like... nothing to do with what BM did/didn't say about you, it's all about your reaction to the Taylor guilty

I think the reasonable town assumption there is to assume it's a real guilty because why would scum throw by claiming a fake guilty is the alternative line of thought

[Menalque]

like how was he ever gonna prove whether he found you suspicious or not and therefore how were you talking about LaL re: his read on you?

[Menalque]

I feel like almost every person I think is even vaguely townie at this point is trying to pocket me, and then the others are all just too scummy

[Alonzo]

You need to reread #2029

[teacher]

even if there is a guilty, you don't end the day then and there

First off, what made you think I didn’t know it was a hammer? Of course I did.

On the timing, Speed hammering a guilty is good, ya? Gives scum less time to come up with a plan to play around it/change their positioning now that plans have been disrupted/other PR fish/get the convicts thoughts for future days/etc. What’s the town benefit to playing out a day with an obvious lynch? What’s the scum benefit to grabbing a quickhammer on a slot that’s going to be limmed no matter what and still flip town? I strongly disagree with the “end the day then and there” as antitown on a theory level. With a promised red flip, it’s all gravy.

[Menalque]

2029

[Menalque]

I rolled my eyes but I also snorted @alonzo

[Menalque]

On the timing, Speed hammering a guilty is good, ya? Gives scum less time to come up with a plan to play around it/change their positioning now that plans have been disrupted/other PR fish/get the convicts thoughts for future days/etc. What’s the town benefit to playing out a day with an obvious lynch? What’s the scum benefit to grabbing a quickhammer on a slot that’s going to be limmed no matter what and still flip town? I strongly disagree with the “end the day then and there” as antitown on a theory level. With a promised red flip, it’s all gravy.

No? Just a big no? To all of this?

When I’ve been guiltied or had a teammate guiltied in the past as scum, I’ve *prayed* for a fast end to the day before town can co-ordinate or discuss the implications of that person being scum with who’s still alive, and to give enough time for the person who HAD the guilty (nearly always dying the next night) to give their thoughts on everything. I’m not saying you run out a day until the end but like uickhammering before some people had even POSTED is not protown in literally any way conceivable under the sun and I think it’s sort of incredibly bad faith that you’re trying to argue that it is?

[Menalque]

VOTE: teacher

L-2, if anyone hammers this preemptively they’re scum and they get flipped the next day

[Noraa]

why tf are you giving anyone a chance to do that at all?
just dont vote until we are near deadline and boom problem solved

[Alonzo]

VOTE: datisi