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In post 2249, VP Baltar wrote:Ok, so yeah, the math on infinity's claim is that he was at L-3 when he claimed. That seems exceptionally antsy when the threshold today is L-6 and I had intentionally avoided not voting there. I really don't get how you as town yesterday walked right up to the razor's edge (think you were L-2 yday with people saying they'd be willing to elim you) and not claim, but then claim today quite early when you think there is a guilty on you. It was a serious "flinch too early" if you're town.

In post 2251, DkKoba wrote:also dgb is hard town

In post 2253, VP Baltar wrote:who in this game has a decent amount of experience playing with gamma (3+ games)?

In post 2248, Infinity 324 wrote:

In post 2167, Almost50 wrote:I always think outside the box (some call it moon!logic). Let's say scum have a Role Cop, and they targeted Infinity. They now know that this is an Investigative role, so why nor sacrifice one of them in exchange of eliminating the Investigative? Uncommon and unlikely, but possible non-the-less

Hmm, I'm suspicious of A50's uncertainty about the claim just based off this. @A50, did you think my reaction to the claim was towny? Or was there another reason you weren't sure about the guilty?

In post 2254, Infinity 324 wrote:I don't think the number of votes on me matters if there's a guilty

In post 2258, Not_Mafia wrote:So was the guilty real?

In post 2252, VP Baltar wrote:Rereading Gamma's iso, he was going at infinity pretty hard at the end of D1 as well. Earlier in the day, he was after Jackson pretty hard.

A few slight jabs at Andres and mark, but nothing as serious there.

I absolutely think there was scum on the geraint wagon, but possibly later in the day. I'm a bit skeptical that both geraintm and infinity were town being run up because it just felt like a lot of resistance. Obviously without daytalk, scum are going to have a harder time coordinating their actions...but why the heck would they slow walk two town wagons?

Mark, I'm not following your logic that scum is most likely in the people who wanted geraintm as a primary choice. Hell, gamma wanted him as a primary choice.

In post 2257, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 2254, Infinity 324 wrote:I don't think the number of votes on me matters if there's a guilty

It matters if you're the town's primary form of investigation. I mean, I would expect that play from a noob...

In post 2262, Infinity 324 wrote:

In post 2257, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 2254, Infinity 324 wrote:I don't think the number of votes on me matters if there's a guilty

It matters if you're the town's primary form of investigation. I mean, I would expect that play from a noob...

Not

really

sure why you're pushing so much on this point since I'm not getting limmed as an un-cc'ed investigative, but sure. The claim was bad.

In post 2251, DkKoba wrote:also dgb is hard town

In post 2263, Marky Mark wrote:Am I missing something? We don't know the setup so nobody ccing you doesn't rule out you being the scum

In post 2253, VP Baltar wrote:who in this game has a decent amount of experience playing with gamma (3+ games)?

In post 2260, Marky Mark wrote:Put another way, being a primary geraint voter doesn't make people automatically scum, but it does give them in a general sense a higher liklihood of being scum, so it seems more fruitful to give more focus to looking for potential scum in this subset

In post 2265, Infinity 324 wrote:

In post 2263, Marky Mark wrote:Am I missing something? We don't know the setup so nobody ccing you doesn't rule out you being the scum

I mean sure, a normal could theoretically have no investigatives, but it's unlikely enough that we can wait until massclaim to figure it out.

In post 2255, Infinity 324 wrote:Me but too long ago to be relevant I think

In post 2136, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 1805, Infinity 324 wrote:Consensus reads* in general

{taylor, JV, mark}
{flavor}
{gerain, n_m, A50}
{DGB, gamma, VP}

I'll ISO andres tomorrow and revisit koba later.

Quoting for quick reference.

Koba wasn't even on this list. I found that weird at the time.

In post 2244, Marky Mark wrote:Just been looking through the votecounts from the end of D1

Geraint wagon was

Gamma Emerald

, DrippingGoofball, VP Baltar, Infinity 324, Tayl0r Swift, Almost50, Marky Mark

I would count FL on this too as he said in 2070 that he was ok with the elim and didnt give any preferred alternatives. I would also count JV as he was in the same situation as me ie preferred DK elim but was content to hammer geraint

Of the above, JacksonVirgo, Not_Mafia, Flavor Leaf, Marky Mark, Tayl0r Swift were on DK wagon at its peak ie they wanted DK as primary elim choice

This leaves

Gamma

, DGB, VP, Infinity, A50, FL who were first-choice geraint voters

Clearly, there's more to catching scum than reading votecounts, but I think it's a useful piece of the puzzle to be aware of. I mean, geraint was a low-info nullish slot, so I don't think the arguments used to justify votes on him were necessarily flawed, but I reckon choosing a null low-info slot as a first choice elim (rather than as a compromise, which later happened) is moderately opportunistic. In other words, I don't think everyone on this wagon were scum, but I can see scum getting on board to ensure it got pushed through as the primary choice

In post 2270, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 2255, Infinity 324 wrote:Me but too long ago to be relevant I think

how long ago is too long ago?