Unsurprisingly, Mala doesn't give up much herself. Her relationship with andante is good though, some posts feeling it out, and going for the kill with something like this:
actually tho weird that you think that, im just p low energy rn and am not trying very hard, don't think nervousness is really on the table. if i were maf id prob be more self conscious about how i sound
i dont like this at alllllll.
In post 130, fireisredsir wrote:cause its a mafia game and i wouldn't want to get caught? idk how the dance play differs exactly from standard, but i assume that is still a concern
In post 543, fireisredsir wrote:im also open to that. i wanted myko left out most but now with who is remaining i want ceph and dun >>>>> luke and noraa to stay.
and im cool with taking some consensus into account if it comes down to luke/noraa cause i don't exactly have a strong scumread on either of them
I mean i wanted you to be left out bc i think youre scum, but hey we all cant get what we want
In post 579, Ydrasse wrote:someone once told me dunnstral powers up in dance games
so in hindsight this makes dunn's posting NAI as if he powers up in dance game regardless of alignment, which in the future is gonna throw off any meta type tells
I don't currently trust Prism, which leaves me disinclined to let her do the sorting of the pairs.
Thinking selfishly, I think pairing with Dats knowing that I am his top scum read just kills me day 2, and I think proposing to fire results in fire getting hammer between me and Cephrir, and I am left behind today. So, survival thinking says Mala is my best bet.
Noted & ooof going to think on this last few lines of this.
In post 1902, Bell wrote:But I find it unlikely Myko and Enchant are both scum. So here we are.
I think Enchant is very likely scum & Myko is null-leaning town.
Thanks for the affirmation before reality cruelly slaps it away.
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2022 8:39 am
by mykonian
Ok, I forgot, but Dunn seems pretty unlikely as a partner from the other side too. There stuff like this, which is just a bit unnecessary when your partner is happily lurking.
There's one main reason why I chose Luke. I initially had picked Luke over Dunn & Norraa, but because I didn't bold it I messed up, which was my bad.
Second: I never had an offer to dance from either Norraa or Fire.
Third: The one who was supposed to choose beteween Norraa & Dunn was Datisi.
Fourth: An Norraa flip would have been informational to sorting out Dunn IMO. As scummy as that sounds
And her mentioning she'd follow Noraa's read on Dunn in a heartbeat. I think mala closed that door on Dunn, and I'm wondering if scum would really leave their partner to fend for themselves under pressure like that. It's not that hard to claim a null read and suspect Luke. But either way, Dunn was denied and that's probably as big of an interaction as Mala has with players that are still alive.
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2022 8:41 am
by Bell
Mala’s pretty good at antispew. They’re getting caught a lot lately but their ability to cover their tracks is good.
In post 1054, Prism wrote:Andante you have like 112 posts left, would love to hear more from you and about why fireisredsir is scum
This just feels townie
like Prism is trying to sort that slot out
and at the same time her partner
and its not the first time Prism did it either
Given this is a way to get a roundabout attack on Fire going, I don't think this is Mala talking to her partner, I'd say that's pluspoints for Prism/Ginngie.
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2022 9:32 am
by Andante
AYYYYY WE GOT A MAF FLIP!!! lmaoooo not someone I was actually SRing.. nice
This again and also what has Datisi's read on Malakittens been? Neither has meaningfully prodded at the other
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2022 11:58 am
by Dunnstral
In post 2222, Lukewarm wrote:Speaking of which, I am almost certain that Mala is scum now. After not using our PT for a while, she suddenly started posting in there again. Quite specifically trying to talk me out of voting for andante/ginngie, and trying to get me to shift to voting Datisi/Dunn. As such, I don't see the need to keep defending myself, and we can be voted out
VOTE: Luke/Mala
If Mala flips scum, always kill Andante/Ginngie next - and never flip datisi/Dunn.
It was done in such a way that I am less clear which of Andante/Ginngie would be Mala's partner, so it should be the full pair that is flipped, and not done via dance partner trading imo.
Myko's posts have been heavy misreps, and I would like for the next person who needs a new dance partner to take his spot with Bell.
In post 2231, Bell wrote:I guess I’d just like to hear how confident you are in your scum reads.
If Mala flips scum, I am extremely confident that one of Andante/Ginngie are scum with her.
If Mala flips town, then I am back down to just scum reading both slots, but not to that same level.
Myko I am pretty confident in regardless tbh. Higher then the A/G pairing with a town mala, but lower then the two with a scum mala.
I don't think that his positioning comes from town.
I also noticed early on that Myko made a comment that could have been aimed to diffuse the me v ginngie 1v1 - which I get if his partners are Andante/Mala lol.
I'm not confident that one of Andante/Ginngie are mafia based on Malakittens. Take note that they knew Lukewarm was not townreading them and that I had been prodding them about their reads and relation to Datisi. Unfortunately Lukewarm does not make it clear exactly when Mala brought this up, but I'm assuming I last talked to Malakittens.
I think that Andante/Ginngie might be a miselimination based on the way they are being angled towards, and because if Datisi is mafia then they have also been pushing in that direction
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:02 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 2195, fireisredsir wrote:ok so ive been sus of lukewarm for a bit. i talked about this in the hood a little but not in the thread cause i wanted to watch and see how he started this phase, but some of his reads feel like they could be politically chosen. meaning that he is choosing reads based on what benefits him and then coming up with ways to justify them rather than a natural progression of reasons informing the reads. examples:
1) his scumread on myko. this was what triggered me to think this in the first place. i thought 1693 was strange bc i didn't think it was a point that only applied to myko, but he was using it as a reason to scumread him. i think when people are selective like that, usually they are either tunneled/confbiased, or they're being political in their read choices. since there is a clear benefit to luke to scumread myko, i feel like it could be a sign of it being political. the benefit is that this was before bell broke up the pairing, and enchant/myko was a pairing that was likely to gather some votes and probably the highest chance at being the lim. i think there is enough suspicion of luke/mala out there that scum luke would want to make sure he is positioned to vote the other pairing that will be gathering votes.
2) similarly, scumreading enchant and reinforcing that read by saying dunn's case was really good in 1611, and 1618. easier in hindsight but i said this before the enchant flip anyway, that i think the case was towny but not necessarily that convincing. same benefit as the myko suspicion.
3) once the myko/enchant pairing is no more, he has transitioned to andante/ginngie, which is probably the new likely pairing to be gathering a lot of votes. he's expressed suspicion there before, so it's not out of nowhere, but there is a clear benefit to him switching his focus there now
4) the dunn scumread when they were two of the more likely to be left behind (along with noraa). the scumread went away once that phase was over. benefit is obvious, but it is also understandable, since i had a similar progression on dunn
5) the datisi townread. i think this read is p weakly supported and idk why he would be townreading datisi here. the progression is also questionable, with having him in null (and less towny than 6 other names) in 867, but in 2032 and 2042 he says that the strong townread came from the post sequence starting around 625, which is well before 867. the scum benefit is that he now strongly townreads dunn and so it's a read that he can more safely commit to making since he's likely not going to vote that pairing
i know that is a lot of words for me to then say that i don't feel super strongly that this is scum, but... that's how it is. basically, it's hard to criticize his reads and progressions, bc i think luke is the kind of player who as scum will be careful to make sure that they are all well-justified and supported through his play. and a lot of these reads are ones that i agree with. so on one hand, i naturally want to see it as town. but on the other hand, i can see clear potential scum motivation behind the way that his reads are evolving and shifting and which ones he is choosing to focus on at what times, and it has come up enough that i think this is more likely to be scum luke. mala is also null at best so this is my preferred vote today
VOTE: Luke+mala
I liked this case on Lukewarm but didn't agree with it. Don't think bussing is impossible here but feel good about this overall.
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:16 pm
by Dunnstral
At the start of my neighborhood after the end of day 1 I say that I want to vote Andante, Enchant, and Malakittens.
Datisi says they also suspect Andante and ask about my read Enchant.
i don't think it makes much sense to start searching for partners during this phase, and i really need to do my homework, so again i say unto ye: bye
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2022 6:45 pm
by Ginngie
Cree OP won my first game, 2nd game was spain and I lost because I had two settlers die, one from barbarian capture, another from a tile getting flooded and oneshotting the unit; so I just called for an irrelevant vote. Last game I was Russia going for culture as it was a team game; but we had to concede to nukes.
I'm exhausted so imma catch up on sleep.
Would like to state how I feel which is that I felt like I was right for the wrong reasons twice. Right that the Luke/Mala pair had scum in it, wrong to think so hardly it was Luke. Also rn I feel I was right that Datisi attacked Andante and I to save a scumbuddy, but wrong in the sense Datisi was protecting Mala, and not Luke. Basically treated Luke as a proxy for an elimination war.
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:24 am
by Bell
I’d be surprised if ginggie-scum made that post.
Still think andante and datisi are scum.
I feel datisi is just kinda wooden.
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:14 am
by Bell
I think myko is town, but I’m not in love with it. So do what you want there.
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:17 am
by Bell
In post 2263, Dunnstral wrote:At the start of my neighborhood after the end of day 1 I say that I want to vote Andante, Enchant, and Malakittens.
Datisi says they also suspect Andante and ask about my read Enchant.
Ew. Would datisi make such an obvious mistake though?
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:22 am
by Bell
…he totally would lol.
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:31 am
by Andante
In post 2267, Bell wrote:I’d be surprised if ginggie-scum made that post.
Still think andante and datisi are scum.
I feel datisi is just kinda wooden.
You think I'm scum with datisi? lol just get him first then