Mini 1566: Lunar Silver Star Story Complete (Game Over)

Aegor · Post Post #2275 (ISO) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:20 am

No, given that you know the ending.

BROseidon · Post Post #2276 (ISO) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:25 am

From my POV:

I get 2 lynches out of 5 people. That's a raw 40% chance of catching scum.

All the other townies have 2 lynches out of 4 people if they don't get mislynched themselves.

Right now I'm in the realm of:

beastcharizard
Mac

mastin

penguin
Aegor

In terms of most->least wanting to lynch.

BROseidon · Post Post #2277 (ISO) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:27 am

Maybe swap beast and Mac.

BROseidon · Post Post #2278 (ISO) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:29 am

Anti, not sure if you're following the thread, but next time you're a role blocker, you should say, "I WILL ROLEBLOCK X PERSON IF WE GET A SCUMFLIP" so that we could have a 2nd conftown after your death :/

BROseidon · Post Post #2279 (ISO) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:33 am

In post 2252, mastin2 wrote:I suppose this in particular is also setting off alarm bells.

I'm displaying a trend, quite strongly, that you perceived in Anything Goes. Not only is the trend similar, but virtually identical, in that you have a confirmed role yet I'm thinking you're scum in spite of that. The timing's even the same: not pushing you yesterday (two days before lylo/mylo), but pushing you the day before lylo/mylo with a self-admitted backup-plan of sorts. (It should be fairly obvious that a scuMastin is going to set up an Aegor/PA lylo. Because if PA continues to townread me, it'd lead to victory, and if not, if she voted me, then a scuMastin would gamble on paranoia that she's not conftown and plead to Aegor about it, pointing out the town trends and emphasizing all the town things I've done.
Oh. And did I mention the waffling, under the guise of paranoia? That, too.)

And yet, in spite of that...I'm just a possibility? Even your language usage is implying that you think I'm faking stuff. ("quit the charade" is not a phrase you mutter to a town player often, yaknow.) Aegor's at the top of the list, in spite of the fact that by all reasonable accounts, you should be having me as much more than just a possibility. Why so little focus on me? Why just default to Aegor? Like, you said why you haven't bothered sorting me...but why not, when I've shown what to you should be a red flag warning sign?

I don't understand it coming from a town-you. I can't see how, not even in apathy, you'd just casually think, "eh, Mastin may be scum"...
...ESPECIALLY knowing my skill as a scum player. If the possibility existed for me being scum, why instantly just place Aegor above me when simply put, Aegor's not nearly as competent a scum player as I am? When leaving a scuMastin alive a day could spell the town's death? What makes Aegor that strong a read, and me such an insignificant one?

I don't get it.

Why this soft of a response here, when, when I called you out on something similar in Tales of You (your response to AP's entrance from AG in Tales being the same across both games) you responded more pointedly?

Mac · Post Post #2280 (ISO) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:16 am

Going to be V/LA the weekend, bork.

Will try and get on before deadline but I'm not optimistic about my chances.

mastin2 · Post Post #2281 (ISO) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:36 am

In post 2262, BROseidon wrote:Why would AD get killed N1? He had 26 posts, and scum either figured out he was a PR, or his death strongly implies that mastin is the last scum.

Umm...I replaced in day four, not day one?

(As if we needed more proof BROseidon was town, this is a fairly huge townslip.)

mastin2 · Post Post #2282 (ISO) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:42 am

In post 2269, BROseidon wrote:I wish mastin and penguin replaced into the opposite slots. Is it too late to have this happen?

Not that it'd make much of a difference. (Aside from the remote chance of PA being scum. If that were the case, I'd have LOVED to be in her spot instead of mine.

) All it'd really do is make me inclined to think SMP's result on zMuffinman (my slot) makes my slot town a bit, which I'd be thinking anyway off of the play of the slot, and me having PA's slot and knowing them to be town, would be left...

...In exactly the same spot I am right now, thinking that one of Mac/Aegor is scum. Actually, I'm kinda glad I'm not in PA's slot, 'cause in PA's slot, I'd be "more conftown" than I am in my slot, meaning that while not clear, I'd be far more likely to be left with the hammer than I am in my current slot. Basically, PA's slot is more likely to be left the decider, a position that I absolutely HATE being in, soyeah.

BROseidon · Post Post #2283 (ISO) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:43 am

In post 2281, mastin2 wrote:
In post 2262, BROseidon wrote:Why would AD get killed N1? He had 26 posts, and scum either figured out he was a PR, or his death strongly implies that mastin is the last scum.
Umm...I replaced in day four, not day one?

(As if we needed more proof BROseidon was town, this is a fairly huge townslip.)

Uh, AD was tunneling your slot.

mastin2 · Post Post #2284 (ISO) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:47 am

In post 2274, BROseidon wrote:Guys, should I read the Jake/Muffin pissing contest?

I haven't decided that myself.

I know I skimmed it, but aside from thinking Jake's slot was likely town from it, otherwise came up with nothing...especially since I was thinking that already.

mastin2 · Post Post #2285 (ISO) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:04 am

In post 2279, BROseidon wrote:Why this soft of a response here, when, when I called you out on something similar in Tales of You (your response to AP's entrance from AG in Tales being the same across both games) you responded more pointedly?

Because here I'm actually having doubt? Like...*points to votecount* I'm not voting Mac for a dang-good reason.

I've had paranoia literally everywhere.

You. (Addressed.)
SG/BC. (Almost entirely addressed, in addition to just general vibe of things.)
PA. (Not really addressed, but let me put it this way, PA's a strong townread aside from the Paranoia, stronger than Aegor or Mac.)
Aegor both ways.
Mac both ways.

I can give you overall thoughts.

That overall, my paranoia about Mac being town is not as strong as my paranoia that Aegor is town.
That overall, my paranoia about SG/BC being scum is weaker than my paranoia about PA being scum which is weaker than my paranoia of Aegor being scum and that paranoia of him being scum is weaker than on Mac.

I can say that by gut-feeling, that's my most-town to least-town list.
I can say that there are arguments both ways for both Aegor and Mac being either alignment, of approximately equal strength, on logical merits.
I can also say that Mac's role logically makes him town.
But that my read on him is overall still "likely last scum".

But you have no id--
Actually, yes you do. You have

every

idea of exactly what I'm going through. How much that's wavering. That racking doubt. A mental, "Aaaaaaaaahg. (This sucks.)", you could say. I can't figure it out. I've been trying all day. I've been trying to solve the game. But while I have some things I think more strongly than other, general directions and vague pointers that tell me something's slightly more likely (in particular, me really, really wanting PA to be town), there's that niggle of paranoia holding me back from making the call.
Overall, if nothing else by trusting the dead, I'd kinda want to lynch Mac, but I really don't know for sure.

You putting Aegor/PA as your strongest two town players does help me, though. Puts my mind more at rest that someone who's going through similar (your posts make it really, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally obvious you don't really have a clue, either) is saying that both of them are town.

I'm probably going to end up voting Mac, but I want to be as sure as I can be.

A tl;dr version, I suppose you could say, is that you're asking me why I haven't pushed harder...
And my answer is that I want nothing more than the ability TO push harder and have that confidence.

mastin2 · Post Post #2286 (ISO) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:12 am

In post 2283, BROseidon wrote:Uh, AD was tunneling your slot.

Oh. Didn't know that.

I'll take a look at his posting to see if there's anything that can be found in it.

Speaking of which, probably need a more in-depth look at all the nightkills.
Like, the sangres kill I get. Dunno if the cop result was public or not, but doesn't matter: sangres is sangres. Nacho and ffery. They're bound to have other reasons to be nightkilled.

Admittedly, I think the answer would be as simple as HCP in that nobody would want them dead more than Bert/Mara, but they may have died on other aspects.

Antihero obvious claimed his roleblock, but could also die for other reasons. I also need to look to see if he 'crumbed a target. I sincerely doubt he'd go into the night without a target in mind.

mastin2 · Post Post #2287 (ISO) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:16 am

In post 2285, mastin2 wrote:I'm probably going to end up voting Mac, but I want to be as sure as I can be.

About that.

If it looks like I'm confbiasing, call me out on it please.
I'll do what I can to make sure that my read is fitting the evidence, not vice-versa, but given how much I'm relying on feeling this game, that's...not exactly something I have much confidence in.

(Oh. Another thing I should probably do is peak at the mislynched town players, the composition of their wagon, and see if there's so much as a hint of Tales-Scum-Strategy in play.)

mastin2 · Post Post #2288 (ISO) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:22 am

Just went in and realized that the D1 wagons were all on town as far as I can tell, so scum could be anywhere they pleased on them.

mastin2 · Post Post #2289 (ISO) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:04 am

In post 283, borkjerfkin wrote:[4] PhDScar (Aj The Epic,
catboi
,
ActionDan
,
BROseidon
)
[2] Aegor (
Kdub, sangres
)
[2]
Hello Kitty Creampuff
(Jake From State Farm, Aegor)
[1]
ActionDan
(PhDScar)
[1] Jake From State Farm (
Hello Kitty Creampuff
)
[1]
Kdub (???)

[1]
SMP
(
HighShroomish
)
[2] Not Voting (Mac,
SMP
)

In post 300, borkjerfkin wrote:[6] PhDScar (Aj The Epic,
catboi, ActionDan
,
BROseidon
, Aegor,
???
)
[2] Aegor (
Kdub, sangres
)
[1]
ActionDan (PhDScar)

[1]
Hello Kitty Creampuff
(Jake From State Farm)
[1] Jake From State Farm (
Hello Kitty Creampuff
)
[1]
SMP
(
HighShroomish
)
[2] Not Voting (Mac,
SMP
)

In post 318, borkjerfkin wrote:[6] PhDScar (Aj The Epic,
catboi, ActionDan
,
BROseidon
, Aegor,
???
)
[3] Aegor (
Kdub, sangres
,
Hello Kitty Creampuff
)
[1]
ActionDan (PhDScar)

[1]
Hello Kitty Creampuff
(Jake From State Farm)
[1]
SMP
(
HighShroomish
)
[2] Not Voting (Mac,
SMP
)

(Random note, but while I'm kinda guessing the vote on HKC is on policy, and while I know Jake typically has a tendency to be a bit of a busser, I still kinda feel like PA's town from this.)
This is the type of early-vcs that I'm talking about scum-not-caring-where-they-are.

In post 402, borkjerfkin wrote:[4] Aegor (
Kdub, sangres
,
Hello Kitty Creampuff
, PhDScar)
[3]
catboi
(Aj The Epic, Aegor,
BROseidon
)
[3] PhDScar (
catboi, ActionDan, ???)
[1] HighShroomish
(Mac)
[1]
SMP
(
HighShroomish
)
[2] Not Voting (
SMP
, Jake From State Farm)

This looks good for Aegor, though.

In post 475, borkjerfkin wrote:[3]
SMP
(
???
, Jake From State Farm, Aegor)
[2]
catboi
(Aj The Epic,
BROseidon
)
[2] Jake From State Farm (
sangres
,
Hello Kitty Creampuff
)
[2] PhDScar (
catboi, ActionDan
)
[1] Aegor (
Kdub
)
[1]
Hello Kitty Creampuff
(PhDScar)
[1]
HighShroomish
(Mac)
[2] Not Voting (
SMP
,
HighShroomish
)

Might I add, if this is a bus from Aegor, it is quite a risky one. Mac's vote sticks out; Jake's voting seems town.

In post 575, borkjerfkin wrote:[5]
SMP
(
???
, Aegor, Jake From State Farm,
BROseidon
,
Hello Kitty Creampuff
)
[2] Jake From State Farm (
sangres, HighShroomish
)
[2] PhDScar (
catboi, ActionDan
)
[1] Aegor (
Kdub
)
[1]
catboi
(Aj The Epic)
[1]
Hello Kitty Creampuff
(PhDScar)
[2] Not Voting (
SMP
, Mac)

Made much stronger her. For either Aegor or PA to be scum, both scum would have to be bussing what is near-assuredly their strongest PR. I'll need to check this out in-context, but it makes much more sense for the scum to be looking for ways to save their scumbuddy. HKC putting the wagon to L-1 for instance can be a deterrent from lynching the player in question, while the other two scum could focus elsewhere. But I dunno.

In post 625, borkjerfkin wrote:[3] Jake From State Farm (
sangres, HighShroomish
,
Hello Kitty Creampuff
)
[3] PhDScar (
catboi, ActionDan, ???
)
[3]
SMP
(Aegor, Jake From State Farm,
BROseidon
)
[1]
BROseidon
(
SMP
)
[1]
catboi
(Aj The Epic)
[1]
Hello Kitty Creampuff
(PhDScar)
[1]
HighShroomish (Kdub)

[1] Not Voting (Mac)

Sure enough, wagon disintegrates. Jake(PA) and my slot rise as alternatives. Of note is that Aegor and Jake are remnants on the SMP wagon...which again, is not a trend I'd expect from actual-scum.

In post 800, borkjerfkin wrote:[4] Jake From State Farm (
sangres, HighShroomish
,
Hello Kitty Creampuff
, Mac)
[2]
Hello Kitty Creampuff
(PhDScar, Jake From State Farm)
[2] PhDScar (
ActionDan, ???
)
[2]
SMP
(Aegor,
BROseidon
)
[1] Aj The Epic (
Antihero
)
[1]
Antihero
(Aj The Epic)
[1]
BROseidon
(
SMP
)
[1]
HighShroomish (Kdub)

And sure enough, Mac jumps onto Jake to push it into the lead. Which is particularly important given that HKC is another wagon, and SMP hasn't completely disintegrated as a wagon yet. Unfortunately, this is not nearly as helpful as it may seem, given...

In post 851, borkjerfkin wrote:[4] Jake From State Farm (HighShroomish, Hello Kitty Creampuff, Mac, Aegor)
[2] Hello Kitty Creampuff (PhDScar, Jake From State Farm)
[2] HighShroomish (Kdub, SMP)
[2] PhDScar (ActionDan, ???)
[1] Aj The Epic (Antihero)
[1] Antihero (Aj The Epic)
[1] Kdub (sangres)
[1] SMP (BROseidon)

This.

Still, though. Jake (PA) seems like a counter-wagon to SMP, so I'm highly thinking PA town now.

The next VCA shows lack of cohesion, which again, brings us back to the stage of 'scum could be anywhere'.
Which brings us to this.

In post 1075, borkjerfkin wrote:[6]
HighShroomish (Kdub
,
SMP
, Aegor, Jake From State Farm, PhDScar, Mac)
[3] PhDScar (
ActionDan, ???, HighShroomish
)
[3]
SMP
(
BROseidon
,
sangres, Antihero)
[1] Antihero
(Aj The Epic)
[1]
Kdub
(
Hello Kitty Creampuff
)

Not helpful, Aegor/Mac. Really not helpful!
Not on that front, but this VC is really important in another sense. The SMP wagon had re-emerged. The other wagons are on the lynch and on a player I happen to know was town--so scum are going to be fine going anywhere, so long as it dismantles the wagon on SMP. And sure enough...

In post 1116, borkjerfkin wrote:[6] HighShroomish (Kdub, SMP, Aegor, PhDScar, Mac, Jake From State Farm)
[5] Kdub (Hello Kitty Creampuff, Antihero, ???, ActionDan, sangres)
[1] Antihero (Aj The Epic)
[1] PhDScar (HighShroomish)
[1] SMP (BROseidon)

Bam. It's gone. We get competing wagons. With a guarantee of two scum on HighShroomish, and HKC on Kdub. They really didn't care which got lynched. So long as it wasn't SMP.
(On a strictly personal note, lest I be wrong on SG/BC being town, the D1 wagon had all three scum on it. But not helpful, given that Aegor and Mac are who I'm mainly trying to differentiate on.)

Overall impression, this does leave me feeling somewhat-better about PA, and slightly leaning towards Mac stronger, but need more.

mastin2 · Post Post #2290 (ISO) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:13 am

While we're doing VCs...

In post 1308, borkjerfkin wrote:[4]
SMP
(
sangres
, Aegor,
Antihero
, Jake From State Farm)
[1] Jake From State Farm (
Hello Kitty Creampuff
)
[6] Not Voting (Aj The Epic,
BROseidon, Kdub
, Mac, zMuffinMan,
SMP
)

(Note I'm changing BROseidon to green, since the VCs also made me feel better about him, too.) HKC started voting SMP as well. But then we got this.

In post 1370, borkjerfkin wrote:
[6] SMP (sangres, Aegor, Antihero, Jake From State Farm, Kdub, Hello Kitty Creampuff)

[5] Not Voting (Aj The Epic, BROseidon, Mac, zMuffinMan, SMP)

Now, obviously. It was a quicklynch. Obviously, there was a guilty more or less. Obviously, HKC swapped back on because of a desire to cut the day short. But still, Aegor's position doesn't look like scum. (D3 in a bit.)

mastin2 · Post Post #2291 (ISO) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:35 am

In post 1600, borkjerfkin wrote:[3] Mac (
Antihero
, Jake From State Farm, Aegor)
[1] Jake From State Farm (
Hello Kitty Creampuff
)
[1] Squirrel Girl (zMuffinMan)
[1] zMuffinMan (Squirrel Girl)
[3] Not Voting (
BROseidon
, Mac,
Kdub
)

This is where I mark the beginning of cohesion of the day. Again note that for Jake/PA and HKC to be scum, they've basically got to require bad blood throughout the whole game, likely reflected in a scum QT, which I somewhat-doubt.

In post 1645, borkjerfkin wrote:[3]
Hello Kitty Creampuff
(Squirrel Girl, Aegor, Jake From State Farm)
[1] Aegor (
Kdub
)
[1] Jake From State Farm (
Hello Kitty Creampuff
)
[1]
Kdub
(Mac)
[1] Mac (
Antihero
)
[1] Squirrel Girl (zMuffinMan)
[1] Not Voting (
BROseidon
)

I'm not sure if it works in Mac's favor or detriment that his wagon falls apart for the HKC wagon. Aegor's position on it looks good, though. Him being scum requires him to have been bussing fairly heavily. Granted, he hopped off and onto Mac, and the HKC wagon fell apart after that, and the two were dueling wagons for a majority of the day, but still...

In post 1762, borkjerfkin wrote:[4] Mac (
Antihero
, Aegor, Squirrel Girl, Jake From State Farm)
[1] Aegor (
Kdub
)
[1] Jake From State Farm (
Hello Kitty Creampuff
)
[1]
Kdub
(Mac)
[1] Squirrel Girl (zMuffinMan)
[1] Not Voting (
BROseidon
)

Where's the scum on the wagon? Granted, none of them are confirmed, but still...

I'm gonna break from VCA and point out HKC posting a little bit.

In post 1776, Hello Kitty Creampuff wrote:Kdub, aegor, and mac joining this wagon would put jake at l-1 for what its worth

This is a serious Jake wagon, not a joke. HKC wanted a Jake lynch. (Evidence for PA being town.) Which vaguely points to not wanting to be on the Mac wagon. Why?

In post 1794, Hello Kitty Creampuff wrote:I might, though after SG answers me

We get this thrown out there, but I really wonder why. It seems thrown out there, casually, as if meant to invoke reactions, rather than something they're actually planning on doing. Bert's impulsive--why wait?

In post 1800, Hello Kitty Creampuff wrote:Mac's probly town, this is a terrible lynch

They throw this out after SG answers, effectively saying, "nope, not gonna, just after we said we would".

In post 1801, Hello Kitty Creampuff wrote:even we're technically a better lynch than mac due to our lurkiness/apathy

If Mac's scum, then Mac would be some sort of PR, making this statement true.

In post 1802, Hello Kitty Creampuff wrote:Intent.

Which this could be invoked to do. Rather than being the serious self advocating for a Jake lynch or defending Mac, it's casual, as if thrown out there to stir reactions. And react people did...entirely dismantling the Mac wagon in favor of an HKC one. (That might not have been the intent of the action.)

In post 1905, borkjerfkin wrote:[4]
Hello Kitty Creampuff
(Mac, Squirrel Girl, Jake From State Farm,
Antihero
)
[2] Squirrel Girl (zMuffinMan,
BROseidon
)
[1] Aegor (
Kdub
)
[1] Jake From State Farm (
Hello Kitty Creampuff
)
[1] Mac (Aegor)

And we get this.

In post 1913, borkjerfkin wrote:[3]
Hello Kitty Creampuff
(Squirrel Girl, Jake From State Farm,
Antihero
)
[3] Squirrel Girl (zMuffinMan,
BROseidon
,
Hello Kitty Creampuff
)
[1] Aegor (
Kdub
)
[1] Mac (Aegor)
[1] Not Voting (Mac)

Turn into this. With a SG counterwagon.

Mac hopped off the HKC wagon he started.

(Also, this does point to SG/SC being town.)

In post 1933, borkjerfkin wrote:[4] Hello Kitty Creampuff (Squirrel Girl, Antihero, Kdub, Jake From State Farm)
[4] Squirrel Girl (zMuffinMan, BROseidon, Hello Kitty Creampuff, Aegor)

Though Aegor did vote SG...

In post 1935, borkjerfkin wrote:
[5] Hello Kitty Creampuff (Squirrel Girl, Antihero, Kdub, Jake From State Farm, Aegor)

[3] Squirrel Girl (zMuffinMan, BROseidon, Hello Kitty Creampuff)
[1] Not Voting (Mac)

Ultimately, he hammered HKC when he didn't have to.

I think that does it.

Vote: Mac

.

mastin2 · Post Post #2292 (ISO) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:52 am

So I'm doing a Mac iso, and some things are sticking out to me as well.

In post 2280, Mac wrote:Will try and get on before deadline but I'm not optimistic about my chances.

Something in this phrasing doesn't feel town. I'm not sure how to explain it, but basically, if feels as if a town-Mac would say something like "I don't see the day ending with any lynch other than my own", because there'd be a tomorrow with a town-Mac dead; a scuMac ends the game, thus, not optimistic about chances. It's a phrasing thing, vaguely mindset-relevant. It's not a strong tell, but it did ping.

In post 2215, Mac wrote:You've taken a really weird claim here when in the hood & thread you say I'm town and you 100% believe, and now you're going to lynch me based on a theory? My word.

Not sure how to describe this one, either, but it vaguely felt dismissive, if that makes sense. As in, putting someone down, in order to manipulate them.

In post 2195, Mac wrote:I had a bad feeling about you mastin, but I'm yet to put my finger in it. You seem to be pretty non-commital on a read on me, choosing to "believe" other players like charizard rather than yourself. Reminding me of Anything Goes to be honest, looks like you're setting up a flip-flop on me later on, or now even.
Meanwhile Aegor continues to derp around! And the sky is blue.

Just realized that for pointing out my non-commital to a read on him, his read on me here was...fairly non-commital. His push on Aegor also doesn't feel like he thought him scum, and the (for lack of a better term) snark also doesn't look great.

In post 1906, Mac wrote:UNVOTE:
Im willing to work with Muffin and Bro atm since theyre my strongest town reads at the moment, muffin would you prefer SG over k
Hkc?
Aegor has rapidly moved to my strongest scum read for comments like 1900 but i fear its too late to wagon him.

This post was the moment of truth that I began my iso of Mac looking for. And, well...it's kinda...highly-dodgy.

The zMuffinman read has basically evaporated; I went from (second-)strongest-townread to secondary-scumread. Squirrel Girl was in Mac's sights here, and Aegor was getting targeted by Mac even then. I kinda have a hard time seeing Mac's thought process here as town, and changing as it has as town, when as scum this post makes a ton of sense, protecting a buddy, setting up a mislynch or two, and buddying strong town to get them onto your side.

Am I confirmation biasing or does this look like it's valid?

mastin2 · Post Post #2293 (ISO) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:53 am

'Cause I kinda feel like updating my tags.
VOTE: Mac.

mastin2 · Post Post #2294 (ISO) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:03 pm

In post 1940, Antihero wrote:I BELIEVE

I really, really hope I'm doing what the dead QT wants me to be doing and they're continuing to chant this and have a squeal of joy and ecstasy at my points about Mac.

In post 1879, Antihero wrote:down for the massclaim too (if for no one else, then kdub at least)

I generally prefer not to curse, but I don't think there's any other phrase that conveys the same meaning:
Fuck me, I think we lynched Anti's roleblock.

(And that was my mislynch, too.

)

mastin2 · Post Post #2295 (ISO) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:08 pm

In post 1864, Antihero wrote:@mac: confirm yourself to jake.
otherwise, there's not enough rope in the world to describe what happens to you tomorrow.

Another thing I wanted to note about Mac's claim.

If his claim is 2x as he says, if his bit about not being non-consec was a lie...why didn't he choose to reveal the lie by protecting that night? Especially on Antihero, who was an obvious NK target? Why did he lie and continue to insist on the non-consec in-thread...and continue the lie out-of-thread via not submitting a doc that night?

If he was town, delaying a night to keep his claim consistent would be doing absolutely nothing to fool town.

The mindset doesn't make any sense whatsoever from town.

I'll take full responsibility for the loss if this is going down the seriously-wrong-road, but everything (aside from my lack of finding a role that fits Mac) points to Mac being scum. His mindset, his play, overall scum interactions, overall POE, the nightkills, everything.

And I really don't think this is confbias.

beastcharizard · Post Post #2296 (ISO) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:17 pm

You are crazy but ok. Bro, since when have you wanted to lynch me?

mastin2 · Post Post #2297 (ISO) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:26 pm

In post 2295, mastin2 wrote:If he was town, delaying a night to keep his claim consistent would be doing absolutely nothing to fool town.

*Doing absolutely nothing to fool scum,
Doing absolutely nothing except fooling town,
Take your pick.

Point remains, town-Mac lying about being non-consec does so as a gambit (because there is NO town reason to do so otherwise):
Leave scum thinking he cannot protect either Antihero or PA that night, thus, is not a threat, allowing Mac to use his action on either Anti or PA. (Well, Jake.)
Mac stops the nightkill and/or gets confirmed, a day earlier than planned. Mac reveals the gambit, reveals his target, and the scum are left at a disadvantage.

...Instead, Mac chooses...to no-action, let Jake continue not to have a result (when Jake's a bit of a suspect, mind you), let Antihero die, and vying to use it on the night scum expect him to?

In what realm does that thought make sense? Gambits have to be done with some sort of purpose; Mac knows that. Using his actions N2/4 as 2x and claiming non-consec does...nothing of the sort.

As scum, it makes sense to have the non-consec claim, though.
Because again, it allows him to excuse why neither Jake nor Anti got protected N3.

I really, really hope this is doing the dead threat (Antihero in particular) proud and that "YES. FUCK YES. I believe, Mastin!!!" is being shouted.
Because to me? This seems like the final nail in the coffin for Mac.

Aegor · Post Post #2298 (ISO) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:41 pm

I am caught up. Mastin pretty much stated what I have already stated at some point IIRC (because I remember Mac's response): his voting record is sketchy as hell and he is scum.

BC is just a massive disappointment because he has yet to provide a single actual reason that I am maf and has not even attempted to reconcile my play with scum intent.

ISO · Post Post #2299 (ISO) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:41 pm

wadwd