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↑ Nashville Dreams wrote:UNVOTE:

I keep forgetting it's there.

I still need to sync with titus, but working and being ill is keeping me from doing that. Also our phone company changed our plan so we are out of data so Im not allowed to be on skype at work due to it. So I'm limited to computer skype so everything is a lot harder than it should be =\

~M

I've been going through a fair amount myself. Until you see CS as scum or he's cleared, I doubt we're agreeing on that read btw. I can be kinda stubborn.

I was NOT being cagey CS. There's literally no reason for you to need to know who we choose and why. That information only helps the scumteam. I don't answer that shit until I got a guilty. The fact of the matter is we do not.

Also, that OkaPoka post sucks. He's not contributing anything and solely trying to tear down what the hell we are actually managing to put together out of this clusterfuck. Still scum.

I don't mind pissing a few people off while I tell the truth. The VCA will tell the truth and my VCA is good. It's perfect in my completed games.

Oh and ika, apparently I need a bigger fucking sledgehammer. I was not being subtle for a reason. If I crumb something to you, don't run and tell the fuck to everyone. K thanks. That's getting you a scumread. Automatically.

Oh and OKa if you want me to agree with everything Mala says or does, that's not the point. It's not going to happen. I'll always have my own opinions. You can track them. I may back down and let Mala be dominant or she might let me. Our opinions will be trackable and understandable.

I still love Baboon as scum. Kinda glad the Mara head is absent. Mala can interact with Cephrir and come to the same realization that Cephrir ain't all that town.

↑ Nashville Dreams wrote:

↑ Nashville Dreams wrote:

I was NOT being cagey CS. There's literally no reason for you to need to know who we choose and why. That information only helps the scumteam. I don't answer that shit until I got a guilty. The fact of the matter is we do not.

Well, you say it only helps the scumteam. But CS has literally just given you reasons for why they wanted that information to help read you. Are you saying they're lying, or do you not think their statements about the matter are plausible?

CS is saying "I want to scumhunt you". Look at his posts. They are not scumhunting but info hunting.

Only scum need to concern themselves with who we track or if the camera specifically can be passed. Town by being town increase their shot atgetting items. If we get a guilty (close on F16 but not certain), then those questions make sense to interpret. Here, all we did is confirm Fonz's presence at F16's house. That should be apparent as town motivation. Yet CS is insistant on searching for something to paint as scummy. That's not how we roll.

If F16 is town and not investigation immune, that means we were roleblocked. Given Anatole's claim of being block immune, that leads to the suggestion of us being blocked.

I did attempt to blunt crumb for lack of a better word saying we would have no way of knowing what F16 did. Still why was his question directed to the group? He has pressured F16 very little despite desiring knowledge of where she went.


The suggestion F16 was drugged plays a bit against us being blocked though.


If the plan for scum was to kill ika and mislynch us (I tend to be better late game than early game), this setup but for F16s drugging makes sense.

Scum run us up, then I claim blocked. Scum argue fake PR claim completely unaware Fonz and I can vouch for each other's whereabouts via flavor.

Their two top mislynch targets are gone. Town are massively lurking. Scum must not have an alternate strategy yet.


Sorry that is a bit stream of consciousness and I hope it answers.

↑ Nashville Dreams wrote:Only scum need to concern themselves with who we track or if the camera specifically can be passed. Town by being town increase their shot atgetting items. If we get a guilty (close on F16 but not certain), then those questions make sense to interpret. Here, all we did is confirm Fonz's presence at F16's house. That should be apparent as town motivation. Yet CS is insistant on searching for something to paint as scummy. That's not how we roll.

This premise is fucking garbage. I reserve the right to question why you did something. I'm 'info hunting' in the sense that I am asking for justification for an action. That's fucking scumhunting - trying to understand why you did a thing that on the surface makes no sense to me.

I seriously don't know what the fuck else to say about this.

Proving AK's role one way or the other is pretty paramount right now so I don't really give a shit if you think asking about items is anti-town, because it's fucking not. I have a very similar role to AK, and that's kinda weird considering I've seen no real indication powers can be passed around, with items or otherwise.

-b

Yeah, I agree on the substance of the matter with CS.

Nashville comes off feeling townier though. This kind of ridiculous hypersensitivity to anything that could possibly result in the leakage of role information tends only to come from town players.

Anyhow. Reasonably confident most likely bussers are Anatole and Fferyllt - largely PoE. Gonna try something similar with the off-wagoners.

I've been a little busy. I'll get back to this game in a bit.

I know I sound like a broken fucking record here, but c'mon. No posts in nearly a day? Someone gimme a hand here.

gossamer wings, FourTrouble, Anatole Kuragin, Cutty Shark, Lissa, fferyllt, The Fonz


That is the Day 1 wagon. No one has flipped on it beyond Four Trouble. I do agree there are likely bussers but VCA is not as useful Day 1. While I disagree it is possible the D1 wagon is fully town.

Given Four Trouble was town, his wagon should be looked at.

Lissa, The Fonz, Baboon Pride, i have no creativity were the voters. We should anyone who egged that on.

I also would like to investigate whether CS and AK are CCs, share similar flavor or what.

Usually when scum is lynched day 1 there is a scum on the wagon for town cred.

Right. Lissa is annoying me with lacklustre-noob play - stating the obvious, oh-me-tooing, and giving IIoA play. But there are two strong things in her favour - the 5-Off neighbour flavour thing, and the timing of when she chose to vote Honey.

You've already described me as basically town on the basis of roles. That tells me that what you should be doing right now is voting Baboon Pride if you were willing to do more than about ten second's thinking about the issue. Or this is the other head I'm talking to (I lose track) and you're willing to go full on annoying hydra dissonance with your partner, in which case you still should be looking at me and Baboon in detail. So please do that. Like, soon. Because CS was willing to criticise my reasoning for voting AK, but hasn't presented a decent alternative candidate beside the back-and-forth with you about justifying your night choice, and the only two other people voting are voting for you with no stated (Baboon) or cursory (Oka saying Hydra dissonance is bad, mmmkay) reasoning. This is death to town morale.

In fact, fucking everyone needs to state their top candidate or handful of candidates. This is just fucking unacceptable and death to town morale.

↑ OkaPoka wrote:Usually when scum is lynched day 1 there is a scum on the wagon for town cred.

Thank you for that completely unhelpful bit of generalised theory commentary. You're voting for someone not on the wagon. Who is the most likely bus candidate?

I still feel confident voting Nashville though.

I'm reading Fonz and Ffery town for the honey bee lynch going down.

I need to read back still, sorry! I want to take a close look at Baboon and Anatole. I will definitely be doing that today.

↑ Lissa wrote:I need to read back still, sorry! I want to take a close look at Baboon and Anatole. I will definitely be doing that today.

why these two in particular?

CAN ANYONE GIVE A FUCKING ITEM TO ANATOLE OR NOT

IF SO JUST FUCKING SAY SO. If not he needs to die.

this game is going fucking nowhere

-b

↑ Nashville Dreams wrote:I also would like to investigate whether CS and AK are CCs, share similar flavor or what.

we've all claimer flavor akready. I have fullclaimed.

-b

Ok, well

VOTE: Nashville

I'm not even factoring Titus' craplogic on me into this. That is what it is, but the potential scum motivation around fighting my inquiry in general it is to not have to be accountable for last night by obfuscating what their mindset was.
Mala voting gossamer out of the gate is questionable if 1) she thought she was watching them and 2) didn't actually see them do anything incriminating.
In fact the whole language around the action is inconsistent. Titus says they tried to 'track' F-16, Mala says they thought it was a 'watch' at some point.

I think the thing where Honey just knew it was Mala the whole time regardless of the fact that she hadn't done really anything indicative of her personality signifies she had some other way of knowing that. Could be a scumbuddy who knew, but I don't think that's as likely as it being a scumbuddy that was her.

Mala's still showing no semblance of following through with any desire to work together other than answering a list of questions I had for her.

-b

↑ fferyllt wrote:

↑ Lissa wrote:I need to read back still, sorry! I want to take a close look at Baboon and Anatole. I will definitely be doing that today.

why these two in particular?

Baboon was seeming town to me yesterday but there were some interactions between them/Honey that make me wonder. Plus the neighborhood thing; though I think a lurking scum in there is quite plausible, I'm not sure.
Anatole seemed town to me day one but I'm wondering a little because of various things.

I think I also want to look at Nashville, actually.

I am starting on this now.

↑ Cutty Shark wrote:CAN ANYONE GIVE A FUCKING ITEM TO ANATOLE OR NOT

IF SO JUST FUCKING SAY SO. If not he needs to die.

this game is going fucking nowhere

-b

. I don't have an item.

do you think a scum buddy would stick their neck out and say they have an item?

↑ fferyllt wrote:do you think a scum buddy would stick their neck out and say they have an item?

They might, they might not. I think we get info either way, no?

-b