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Don't recall where I saw mafia miller could be normal. I fucking hate myself and should really just stop playing tbh uif I'm not gonna fact check myself like thisWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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I still don’t like the fact scum could have gotten wrecked Day 2. Role cop on encryptor, antihero on me, that’s game over.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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Yeah I agree there FL on that part. It’s swingy-ish
I voiced game possibly being over D2 in the first review I did and got laughed out for it, and decided being a part of the NRG wasnt for me. I think we’ll just have to expect games can end D2 in 13p normals here"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend- Gamma Emerald
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I mean, scum did win, so it’s not like it wasn’t possible.
Also, I literally said “did we really get double guiltied? If Mulch tracked you...” in the neighborhood, when I meant to say that to Creature.
I thought either Antihero was traitor, and I got guiltied. I thought that day 2 was all going down for me. In the end, I think that Day helped us kill Fitz, and then i got to turn it around by going Creature.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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In post 2281, Flavor Leaf wrote:Also, I literally said “did we really get double guiltied? If Mulch tracked you...” in the neighborhood, when I meant to say that to Creature."I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend- Flavor Leaf
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And yeah, Gamma, I wouldn’t worry about it. I thought you played rather townie, and it was shown with Hawk refusing to ever vote you.
Just made the wrong decision at the end, which I was hard pushing for you to do.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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It’s a big reason I didn’t want Chara in the neighborhood.In post 2282, Fro99er wrote:In post 2281, Flavor Leaf wrote:Also, I literally said “did we really get double guiltied? If Mulch tracked you...” in the neighborhood, when I meant to say that to Creature.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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Part of the problem is that towns are so consistently ineffective you need kind of a ridiculous amount of power to be at all competitive... and sometimes you get setups where the swing is such that, yeah, towns can basically win on d2.In post 2279, Fro99er wrote:Yeah I agree there FL on that part. It’s swingy-ish
I voiced game possibly being over D2 in the first review I did and got laughed out for it, and decided being a part of the NRG wasnt for me. I think we’ll just have to expect games can end D2 in 13p normals here
Something like a 3-man scum team with a roleblocker merits a LOT of town power to counter, and something like...
D1 roleblocker lynch
N1 vig shoots a goon, gunsmith checks the other goon, and for jollies let's say there's a doctor and a 1-shot BP as well doing things that don't destroy town
= D2 game over
But you run 100 times
goon, goon, roleblocker
against a town of vig, gunsmith, doctor, 1-shot BP
and you'll see scum win probably 55-60 of them.
As a simple example, my first mini normal was
goon, encryptor, 1-shot strongman
against vig, doc, tracker, 1-shot bp
and scum won it fairly easily (just one of them dead)
It's kind of shitty that towns need THAT much power to be effective... but they do.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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lol I didn't get it eitherIn post 2281, Flavor Leaf wrote:I mean, scum did win, so it’s not like it wasn’t possible.
Also, I literally said “did we really get double guiltied? If Mulch tracked you...” in the neighborhood, when I meant to say that to Creature.
I thought either Antihero was traitor, and I got guiltied. I thought that day 2 was all going down for me. In the end, I think that Day helped us kill Fitz, and then i got to turn it around by going Creature.
don't really know why Hawk didn't notice that tbh lmaoWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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yeah, I agree with everything you said mhsmith -- and like I said, balance-wise I thought it was fine, so you're not gonna get an argument from me there on the run it 100 times over (I'm a statistician for a living, so I prefer to live in larger sample sizes anyway )
I also just personally prefer less swing where it can't end on D2 in a 13p game (or has a really really low shot of it), but that's me. I thought this game maybe had a bit higher of a chance than I'd care for.
One way to counter designs that need a ton of town power is by having less scum power so you don't have to give town as much power as well. Not quite sure how I'd do that here (limit the roleblocker to non-consec or 1-shot or something then reduce town accordingly?), but I'd have to think more on that."I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend- Flavor Leaf
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I think encryptor being Mafia Ascetic and just not having scum have day chat could have worked, but I tend to like a bit more out there kind of normal games which I understand is definitely not everyone’s cup of tea.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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I think that might have been my first game as scum in 3p lylo in my 4 years on site.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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Yeah you can definitely balance around lower scum power, but that's a mod preference sort of thing.
Ironically, scum win rates in 3-goon setups are substantially higher than in basically everything else (as of last time I checked, which was a few months ago iirc), which actually suggests that we collectively do a poor job of giving town the proper amount of power against a 3-goon team, and/or the nature of day play when scum have PR's that they need to keep alive provides additional information to town as things move towards mid game and late game. not quite sure which is the bigger driving force, but I suspect it's a combo of the two.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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^thats not a bad idea (ascetic for encryptor)
Obviously encryptor was put to discuss the traitor stuff so as to not lynch their unknown teammate, but a good scum team should be able to work around not having day chat in a traitor setup.
PEdit x2"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend- Antihero
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and what is WITH scum being able to kill anyone they want amirite? i mean... me night 1 and chara night 2 then town's outa powerIn post 2278, Flavor Leaf wrote:I still don’t like the fact scum could have gotten wrecked Day 2. Role cop on encryptor, antihero on me, that’s game over.
so broken, plz nerfThe distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.- Antihero
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my response to that is if scum are playing badly enough to draw cop checks on the first two nights they deserve to get crushedIn post 2279, Fro99er wrote:Yeah I agree there FL on that part. It’s swingy-ish
I voiced game possibly being over D2 in the first review I did and got laughed out for it, and decided being a part of the NRG wasnt for me. I think we’ll just have to expect games can end D2 in 13p normals hereThe distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.- Hawk
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Chara was the right kill. I pushed Chara harder than I needed to because I wanted you to bring him. If it wasn't sheep and down to the two of you after Charas initial reaction I flipped my read. But I couldn't say any of that going into f3...In post 2271, Flavor Leaf wrote:Also, @Two - I legit was just away from the game and wasn’t really caught up, so when you came in and pushed me, it made it easy for me to post and tunnel onto you the first few days.
And yeah, I kill off my threats when they don’t incriminate me. Transcend, Antihero, Frog, all we’re my immediate threats that would have pushed me. Two got townie, and it allowed me to kill there. Chara was the kill that was worrisome for me, but it worked out.- Antihero
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not reallyIn post 2285, mhsmith0 wrote:Part of the problem is that towns are so consistently ineffective you need kind of a ridiculous amount of power to be at all competitive...
it's not that town need -ridiculous- power bc they're bad. it's that they need it to balance for scum getting a factional NK, which is crazy powerful even tho no one acknowledges it.The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.- Hawk
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Probably because I was scouring the main thread... I didn't dive into the neighborhood as much because I was there for most of it and it was much shorter....In post 2286, Gamma Emerald wrote:
lol I didn't get it eitherIn post 2281, Flavor Leaf wrote:I mean, scum did win, so it’s not like it wasn’t possible.
Also, I literally said “did we really get double guiltied? If Mulch tracked you...” in the neighborhood, when I meant to say that to Creature.
I thought either Antihero was traitor, and I got guiltied. I thought that day 2 was all going down for me. In the end, I think that Day helped us kill Fitz, and then i got to turn it around by going Creature.
don't really know why Hawk didn't notice that tbh lmao- TwoInAMillion
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