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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:55 am
by alimdia
In post 2267, Amrun wrote:Btw, I said alimdia’s PREVIOUS spot on the Creature wagon.

The hammer itself is null for me, or even maybe a little towny.

But alimdia is my lowest preference in my lynch pool.
What was my previous spot on the creature wagon? I voted creature like shortly after RVS and then SS,GL etc before hammering.

Also lots of ppl are floating, including GA

If hes town hes gonna be here at lylo
If hes scum hes gonna be here at lylo

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:15 pm
by Datisi
Lmao this game is dead

@Gamma where tf you at
@S_S I'd appreciate an update on your Amrun read

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:00 pm
by Amrun
So... I literally left my phone in a Wendy’s six hours away from my house. I’ve had no access until just now. It’s 1 am. I will catch up ASAP.

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:37 pm
by GuiltyLion
In post 2246, Menalque wrote:And like I don’t really think he’s trying to do anything with his questions, I think he’s mostly just trying to be contrary to everything and stop any momentum from getting going which I don’t remember from town!him
this is exactly how I'm feeling about S_S in rethinking and re-ISOing. his playstyle is normally a little obstinate and against the grain but after almost 3 full game days I feel he's still not taking any kind of active role in attempts at serious game-solving and that's a problem by this point

I think if I'm wrong about my TRs anywhere it's in Amrun/Ico. I haven't gone back and done a super detailed reread for these comments but I feel like both slots are the ones that people have been casually scumreading but not actually pushing, which is usually a combo of townies being right but not being confident in it / scum making sure they have some plausible distancing/interacting without going too hard to start a wagon.

Really I feel pretty much exactly in line with Menalque's reads which is making me feel better about his slot

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:25 pm
by Datisi
We have less than three days boys and girls

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:53 pm
by Datisi
GL, you still around? Did you rethink/re-ISO anyone else as well or only S_S?

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:07 pm
by GuiltyLion
I'm here

I keep kinda just skimming every now and then when I have time and hoping I'm magically struck with inspiration but it's not happening, I think I'm definitely townreading a scum but I'm not sure who

how do you feel about S_S lynch? you seem generally pro

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:13 pm
by Datisi
Yep

I mean "Townreading a scum" is p much every single one of my Town games on this site but at this point (w 3 scum alive and no scum flips) it's getting annoying

Ok so I'm noticing this weird thing how S_S and Amrun seem to be mirroring each other?

a) they are both calling each other scum but don't seem to be
too
interested in voting each other
2) both are calling
me
scum while not really commenting on how a Datisi + S_S/Amrun team makes or doesn't make sense
iii) they both seem to be fine compromising on the Gamma slot while again kinda ignoring the fact that the other one is willing to do that as well

thoughts?

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:30 pm
by GuiltyLion
that's pretty good, I could buy stock in that. I frankly hadn't noticed that S_S claimed to be scumreading Amrun but basically because of your point about how he doesn't seem all that interested in pushing it - like, she's at the bottom of his reads but I couldn't recall a single post actively casing her or trying to get other people to vote her. The closest was when he was pushing me on why I townread her for the D1 reread posts/timing.

I still kinda have this lingering desire to townread Amrun partly because she seems to be scum in literally every game and she has to be town at some point, but she may definitely be that scum in my blindspot on the wagons that I'm looking for

one other thing that bugs me about this though is the AF kill, AF was a pretty staunch defender of Amrun. I don't wanna clear her on WIFOMy NK spec but it's something that doesn't make sense to me under scum!Amrun

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:36 pm
by Datisi
In post 2283, GuiltyLion wrote:I still kinda have this lingering desire to townread Amrun partly because she seems to be scum in literally every game and she has to be town at some point, but she may definitely be that scum in my blindspot on the wagons that I'm looking for

one other thing that bugs me about this though is the AF kill, AF was a pretty staunch defender of Amrun. I don't wanna clear her on WIFOMy NK spec but it's something that doesn't make sense to me under scum!Amrun
Yeah, I see why you might think that, but wasn't the "lol RC/Amrun can't be scum together
again
right?" partly the cause of losing High Noon?

And I'm still puzzled by the Aaron kill, but I think it could maybe make sense since (1) S_S was pretty adamant that Aaron Townslipped (for what I already said I didn't really believe to be a Townslip) and (2) Mena was p certain DDLvAaron wasn't TvS, so if they were leaving Mena alive then Aaron lynch was not happening

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:50 pm
by GuiltyLion
In post 2284, Datisi wrote:Yeah, I see why you might think that, but wasn't the "lol RC/Amrun can't be scum together again right?" partly the cause of losing High Noon?
no it definitely was, and that sort of reasoning is logically incorrect on its face, I'm just explaining (partly to myself) why I'm gut feeling like I should be townreading her

AF was also scumreading S_S pretty strongly, so it could be something as simple as that

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:52 pm
by GuiltyLion
I think if we have like a Datisi/GL/Menalque/alimdia town block, that leaves Gamma/DogWatch/Amrun/S_S/Ico as a scum pool

DogWatch is actually maybe my strongest townread in that latter pool right now. if Gamma is the designated mislynch today then that leaves Amrun/S_S/Ico, which doesn't feel like a horrifically wrong solve

all those assumptions need to be right, but I definitely like that game state view more than simply parking a vote on Gamma

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:53 pm
by Datisi
yeet

VOTE: S_S

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:55 pm
by GuiltyLion
VOTE: Something_Smart

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:55 pm
by Datisi
if Amrun's next post doesn't include an S_S vote i'm taking that as a scumclaim

Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:41 am
by Amrun
Super ok with this.

VOTE: something_smart

But we can’t let gamma coast either.


@GL:

I realize I shouldn’t be pointing this out because it makes you more likely to scumread me, but, I believe you’re town sooo... who is scum reading Ico? You said people are casually scumreading Ico but the ONLY person I can think of who does so is gamma. So I don’t understand your train of thought here at all.

Also don’t understand the buddy reads on S_S and me, but whatever, will cross that bridge when we get there, if we get there. I’ve never in my life seen scum openly sheep onto another scum with no wagon by following a dead player, and I don’t think I ever will.

Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:49 am
by Datisi
Amrun, does it not worry you that S_S, who you've repeatedly called scum, also seems perfectly okay voting me and/or Gamma, while not exactly trying to pick up bus Towncred? Like wtf am I supposed to think there?

Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:31 am
by alimdia
uh yes it was SS that said aaron townslipped

Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:32 am
by alimdia
honestly I wanted to vote GA for ages but I was scared that people would be like 'zomg 3rd vote on someone' :P

Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:32 am
by alimdia
SS if you are gun you should claim now

Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:34 am
by Datisi
Does that mean you're content with this?

Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:37 am
by alimdia
Yeah I was at the start of the day

Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:38 am
by alimdia
Is there ANYONE that TR's SS here? Thats kinda whats worrying me

Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:38 am
by alimdia
and also GA

Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:40 am
by Datisi
Yeah Gamma's playstyle annoys me to no fucking end but I can't shake off the feeling that he's been dragged along as a mislynch