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Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:23 am**

I just did a quick read because I wanted to see what was going on, and the thing that standed out most was Dkk getting targeted after saying going after Infinity.

That was scummy, especially considering Infinity said they thought DGB was claiming, I think it's completely fair to challenge that. I'm not saying that it means Infinity isn't a detective, I just think it's completely acceptable to assume, especially so quickly, that it is scummy, especially if someone looks at it wanting them to be scum.

So right now

Dkkoba
Taylor
DGB
Infinity

is probably where I'm going to spend some time looking at.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:27 am**

In post 2269, Marky Mark wrote:@Infinity - I don't want to get too bogged down in mechanics discussion but is your logic basically that there's usually only 1 investigative TPR therefore if nobody else is claiming it then it must be you?

Something like that, yeah. Basically, the expectation should be we have 1 investigative PR, or maybe multiple gated ones. Not saying I'm confirmed town, but the cases where I'm scum should be unlikely enough fypov that they get resolved during massclaim.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:41 am**

Why are you pushing aside the fact you could be scum fake claiming? It's not unlikely enough from our perspectives because you could just be scum claiming an easy result, that isn't that powerful of an investigative so even if there is an investigative role, it isn't necessarily a counterclaim. You also specifically stated that you thought DGB had a guilty on you, so why did you just say the expectation should be we have 1 investigative PR?

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:45 am**

In post 2276, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 2269, Marky Mark wrote:@Infinity - I don't want to get too bogged down in mechanics discussion but is your logic basically that there's usually only 1 investigative TPR therefore if nobody else is claiming it then it must be you?
Something like that, yeah. Basically, the expectation should be we have 1 investigative PR, or maybe multiple gated ones. Not saying I'm confirmed town, but the cases where I'm scum should be unlikely enough fypov that they get resolved during massclaim.

In post 2175, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 2131, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 2122, Infinity 324 wrote:Well I'm town so
Oh

I'll take your word for it, the mod probably made a mistake.
This is pretty clearly claiming something

In post 2128, Infinity 324 wrote:Depends when she retracts it. I’m confused what’s going on but scum wouldn’t fake a result on me here.

In post 2184, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 2182, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2177, Infinity 324 wrote:Idk, I thought it was pretty clear DGB wasn't retracting, what else was I supposed to wait for
I mean, you weren't really in yeet range yet. If I was an investigative role, you can bet I'd be reluctant to claim.

I wasn't going to vote you until I heard more, even if I believed the claim.
I mean

It looked like a guilty

What’s supposed to change if I wait?

In post 2185, Infinity 324 wrote:I thought she was gunsmith and a claim would resolve it

I don't understand these together.

the specifically stating the 1 investigative PR mixed in with some other stuff you said don't look real, and the detective claim is super easy to claim, and your crumb looks like you looking for something that could look like a crumb, quite possibly exactly why you claimed Detective if you are scum.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:45 am**

and DGB does NOT look townie.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:49 am**

In post 2277, Flavor Leaf wrote:Why are you pushing aside the fact you could be scum fake claiming? It's not unlikely enough from our perspectives because you could just be scum claiming an easy result, that isn't that powerful of an investigative so even if there is an investigative role, it isn't necessarily a counterclaim. You also specifically stated that you thought DGB had a guilty on you, so why did you just say the expectation should be we have 1 investigative PR?

I think gunsmith could be reasonable, any other investigative is unlikely unless they’re heavily gated (1-shot or something)

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:52 am**

In post 2279, Flavor Leaf wrote:and DGB does NOT look townie.

Don’t think she looks particularly towny overall, but the fakeclaim I think is more likely to come from town

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:57 am**

It feels like anything I say is being interpreted as unreasonable in this game. Multiple powerful investigatives in a mini normal or no powerful investigatives is really not the norm and I don’t know why people would think it is.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:31 pm**

In post 2253, VP Baltar wrote:who in this game has a decent amount of experience playing with gamma (3+ games)?

I have the most experience in this game with Gamma. I was in one of his first games even.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:33 pm**

I feel like something is happening and scum is trying to get DGB town because I was obviously going to push them today.

Dgb’s flip on Dkk is also bad, and if Infinity is town, she outed a town PR.

Like, how is this seeming like town to anyone here?

VOTE: DGB

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:34 pm**

I’m back to neutral with Infinity. I could see his play here as town or scum pretty equally right now.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:34 pm**

In post 2282, Infinity 324 wrote:It feels like anything I say is being interpreted as unreasonable in this game. Multiple powerful investigatives in a mini normal or no powerful investigatives is really not the norm and I don’t know why people would think it is.

You specifically stated 1 earlier

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:35 pm**

In post 2276, Infinity 324 wrote:Basically, the expectation should be we have 1 investigative PR

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:35 pm**

I’m neutral on Infinity because I’m at the “too scummy to be scum” point with them.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:38 pm**

In post 2286, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2282, Infinity 324 wrote:It feels like anything I say is being interpreted as unreasonable in this game. Multiple powerful investigatives in a mini normal or no powerful investigatives is really not the norm and I don’t know why people would think it is.

You specifically stated 1 earlier

Read my post again? I said multiple powerful investigatives or no powerful investigative isn't a reasonable thing to expect. 1 powerful investigative is. When someone claims a guilty on you and doesn't retract, you tend to consider things outside the norm. But the norm is 1 investigative.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:57 pm**

too scummy to be scum is a stupid myth. are u their scum partner flavor?

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:16 pm**

In post 2264, Almost50 wrote:
In post 2251, DkKoba wrote:also dgb is hard town
Now that's a new one! Let's just hope there are no Inventors throwing around unstoppable Vig shots then.

DON'T ASK. Only DGB should be able to laugh at this comment.

Can't I just be NK'd like in the good old days???

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:38 pm**

In post 2246, Marky Mark wrote:VOTE: DGB is where I'm at right now - in addition to the reasons I've already articulated, I think the above was a stretch as the non-claim was reasonably inline with typical geraint play ie was NAI, so this felt like a stretch at the time and justification in hindsight (this is massively wifomy ofc, but I would give her the credit that she would know how players with playstyles like geraint tend to behave)

Nobody claim-stalls on my watch. Nobody.

The "Meta Is Rubbish" lady ain't gonna go fishing to see what geranium did in his other games.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:46 pm**

In post 2290, DkKoba wrote:too scummy to be scum is a stupid myth.

^5

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:46 pm**

In post 2207, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 2187, Infinity 324 wrote:It's wine, but I didn't think scum would send a low-activity slot to do the kill
Yeah I think this is Town, also does a Detective show as a positive to a gunsmith?

ya

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:47 pm**

In post 2279, Flavor Leaf wrote:and DGB does NOT look townie.

Yes I do and I am.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:47 pm**

In post 2214, DkKoba wrote:im asking the people who are purely basing their case on me based on that

who is doing that?

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:48 pm**

In post 2288, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’m neutral on Infinity because I’m at the “too scummy to be scum” point with them.

How come I'm not "too scummy to be scum"? Explain the difference.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:49 pm**

In post 2233, DrippingGoofball wrote:A50, I claimed mason with YOU,

yesterday you claimed mason with NM

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:49 pm**

In post 2277, Flavor Leaf wrote:Why are you pushing aside the fact you could be scum fake claiming? It's not unlikely enough from our perspectives because you could just be scum claiming an easy result, that isn't that powerful of an investigative so even if there is an investigative role, it isn't necessarily a counterclaim. You also specifically stated that you thought DGB had a guilty on you, so why did you just say the expectation should be we have 1 investigative PR?

He could have imagined that I tracked him... but surely not to the kill since he claims to have targeted you?

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