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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 8:12 am
by Frogsterking
BTW I've played rapid games with Andante as both alignments and town!Andante has good intuition; I think her early reads outperform what can be expected based on random chance.

I've played against scum!MagikHorse once before in a Newbie game and they fooled everyone.

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 8:13 am
by Frogsterking
In post 2275, Frogsterking wrote:BTW I've played rapid games with Andante as both alignments and town!Andante has good intuition; I think her early reads outperform what can be expected based on random chance.

I've played against scum!MagikHorse once before in a Newbie game and they fooled everyone.
Oops wrong topic sorry everyone :oops:

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 8:48 am
by Datisi
prodding Stephen A Smith.

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:14 am
by Stephen A Smith
I can't believe Nero Cain is still alive

do we really want to go to heaven and find out its just Frozen Angel posting 500 times about how Nero should die?

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:14 am
by wavemode
In post 2222, Eyes without a face wrote:https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=88666

This has just ended. Maybe some of you would like a fresh meta read as well as see how SCUM try to set me up from the get go. I don't see much difference between what TTTT was doing there and what Dwlee is doing here except TTTT was actually pretending to play the game and Dwlee doesn't even bother to do that
the only way this example would have been compelling was if it showed town!you doing the things I currently scumread you for

but there was none of that

so that was a pointless read

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:16 am
by Stephen A Smith
I think this town just collectively needs to focus

and by focus i mean focus on making Nero dead

we can fight about other random nonsense tommorrow.

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:18 am
by fireisredsir
do you have any reason to think nero is scum besides that FA said so

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:29 am
by Umlaut
In post 2241, Scorpious wrote:Adante could be a pr with a result.
I don't want to repeat what's already been said but, uh, what possible purpose could be served by posting this

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:36 am
by wavemode
In post 2241, Scorpious wrote:Adante could be a pr with a result.
VOTE: Scorpious

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:37 am
by HockeyFan
This game has gotten stagnant and none of my reads/suspiciouns are changing

can someone like fake claim PR pls

Also, the umulat case is mainly "umulat is coasting, must be scum"(i didnt see any reasoning from fire). I disagree, coasting != scum, and Andante was trying to say its "busywork". ehhhh im not sure about that, umulat replaced into the game with 70+ pages, so his catchup seemed okish, I dont agree with almost all of Umulats reads :lol: but I think they've been consistent so shrug

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:37 am
by wavemode
In post 2269, fireisredsir wrote:i was kinda thinking that scorp isn't maf because maf might take some more time to actually think about what they're saying and make it not sound so bad
when people tell you who they really are, believe them

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:39 am
by HockeyFan
also regarding 2241, idfk why everyone is jumping on scorp for that. scum!scrop doesnt need to "toss around ideas" or actively try to engage with the thread when he already has suspicion

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:42 am
by wavemode
In post 1972, Frozen Angel wrote:Other top suspect is Andante
next in line is Scorp and then Eye
she wanted nero, andante, scorp, eyes

why is scum shooting FA if all or most of these people are town

fire is the most townread person in the game and plays very measured and carefully. easy shot

FA on the other hand was flooding the thread and people had mostly stopped reading her posts. and a number of people were suspicious of her. why'd the scumteam think she was dangerous?

think hard people

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:44 am
by HockeyFan
wave, pls sheep me on Andante any time :^)

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:44 am
by HockeyFan
(im aware im not voting her rn, but shes still my top sus rn(other than stephen))

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:45 am
by Scorpious
In post 2283, wavemode wrote:
In post 2241, Scorpious wrote:Adante could be a pr with a result.
VOTE: Scorpious

And we’re back..

Missed you boo ..

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:48 am
by wavemode
meta is unreliable, I've said that repeatedly. but, one thing reading your meta (at fire's behest) has shown me, is that you play a very sassy scumgame

so, please keep it up boo

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:56 am
by Scorpious
In post 2291, wavemode wrote:meta is unreliable, I've said that repeatedly. but, one thing reading your meta (at fire's behest) has shown me, is that you play a very sassy scumgame

so, please keep it up boo
its worth noting that 3/4 games since ive been back i've rolled scum and the one game I was VT in was a train wreck, so.. and the games before that are probably 5 years old..

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:10 am
by wavemode
I've played in games of town!andante with this exact interaction:

andanta: *votes player X*
(later)
andante: *unvotes player X*
andante: why are people voting player X? they're town!
rest of game: uhhh so then why were YOU voting player X?
andante: I was just sheeping

so unless someone has a better case than this I don't think I have enough to move her into my scum pile

in fact overall I would say I've seen everything here that I would normally expect from an andante game. nothing really AI

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:18 am
by Scorpious
In post 2293, wavemode wrote:I've played in games of town!andante with this exact interaction:

andanta: *votes player X*
(later)
andante: *unvotes player X*
andante: why are people voting player X? they're town!
rest of game: uhhh so then why were YOU voting player X?
andante: I was just sheeping

so unless someone has a better case than this I don't think I have enough to move her into my scum pile

in fact overall I would say I've seen everything here that I would normally expect from an andante game. nothing really AI
Do you recall if she’s ever pulled a vote after intent has been announced?

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:22 am
by Scorpious
In post 2291, wavemode wrote:meta is unreliable, I've said that repeatedly. but, one thing reading your meta (at fire's behest) has shown me, is that you play a very sassy scumgame

so, please keep it up boo
In post 2293, wavemode wrote:I've played in games of town!andante with this exact interaction:

andanta: *votes player X*
(later)
andante: *unvotes player X*
andante: why are people voting player X? they're town!
rest of game: uhhh so then why were YOU voting player X?
andante: I was just sheeping

so unless someone has a better case than this I don't think I have enough to move her into my scum pile

in fact overall I would say I've seen everything here that I would normally expect from an andante game. nothing really AI
This is also noteworthy.

“Meta is unreliable”
“Meta says Adante is town”
“Meta says you are scum”

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:27 am
by wavemode
In post 2295, Scorpious wrote:Meta says Adante is town
:lol: you're gonna have to try harder than that

no, I never said this. I simply said, the case I've seen thus far for scum!andante is unconvincing. I specifically said I've seen "nothing really AI" in these interactions

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:28 am
by wavemode
In post 2295, Scorpious wrote:Meta says you are scum
no, your play in this game says you are scum. your sassiness is just a nice cherry on top

I mean, maybe you are sassy in your town games too? i don't really know, nor was that my point

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:30 am
by Scorpious
So the way I’m reading this.

If a nero flips red, then an Adante flips red, most undoubtedly a wave flips red also.

Interesting how quickly wave responded to the prod.

I see no scenario in where eyes is scum..


Pedit- That’s even worse, you pick up no alignment feels from
Someone who pulls a vote after intent is declared. You don’t even have to tell me scummy, but to say it’s totally non indicative of that is ridiculous.

Please explain to me the town motivation behind that and preventing me from hammering.

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:32 am
by Scorpious
In post 2291, wavemode wrote:meta is unreliable, I've said that repeatedly. but, one thing reading your meta (at fire's behest) has shown me, is that you play a very sassy scumgame

so, please keep it up boo
So this isn’t calling me scum based on meta?