Mini 686 - Chess Mafia (Done)


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Post Post #2275 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:29 am

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I looked into a bit a little. I don't think we have a way to force it, but it could definitely happen. The check we are starting with is a great place to start. Also, this was a positional thing that we didn't want to tip them off about.
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Post Post #2276 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:40 am

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Ok.
Qb8+ was my first thought but it doesn't look like it would work.

move: Qb6+
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Post Post #2277 (ISO) » Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:25 am

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move: Qb6+


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Qb6+ (4): (Abstract Actuary, SaintKerrigan, Herodotus, Thok)
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Post Post #2278 (ISO) » Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:43 am

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move: Qb6+


that's the hammer... fyi, i'll be gone on vacation all next week so don't do anything crazy in my absence and just grab the pawn next move
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Post Post #2279 (ISO) » Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:54 am

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White moves
Qb6+
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You brought this on yourself, you know.
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Post Post #2280 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:13 am

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Since we are modding, we can modkill 5 white players right now if we want, no?

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Black
resigns
. White
wins
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Now, who am I? Anyone who doesn't guess correctly gets modkilled. :P
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Post Post #2281 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:59 am

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I assume you're joking about modkills.
Post 92 by Indigo Heron is sufficient evidence on its own that I would have lynched him first. 4. g4 leads to

Then we would have to either give up another pawn or allow black the option of exchanging queens and put our king on the third rank.
I remember people being certain that TCS was scum; does anyone know/remember why?
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Post Post #2282 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:23 am

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NOOO! You cant resign! Two fucking years and you resign!
Seriously. Read your role PM before playing.
I am sorry if you have to prod me, I have absolutely no concept of time.

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Post Post #2283 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:26 am

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I think you're probably Indigo Heron because of the whole playing from the start thing.
Seriously. Read your role PM before playing.
I am sorry if you have to prod me, I have absolutely no concept of time.

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Post Post #2284 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:26 am

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Mate was practically inevitable at that point. Why drag on this zombie any further? Black did the right thing.
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Post Post #2285 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:28 am

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But...I wanted the pride of a perfect white win. ._.
Seriously. Read your role PM before playing.
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Post Post #2286 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:53 am

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Haylen wrote:NOOO! You cant resign! Two fucking years and you resign!
I totally agree with Haylen here.

It is safe for us non players to post now, right?
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Post Post #2287 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:01 am

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/me pokes head in

You mean you guys are finally done? Goddamn, 2 years, and we just wanted to do a speed chess round!
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Post Post #2288 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:06 am

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Mr. Black wrote:If it's any consolation, if the side you were on wins, you can feel free to count this as a win for yourself.
SaintKerrigan was white, which made the slot we replaced each other in was white, which means I win too.



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Post Post #2289 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:12 pm

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*applause*
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Post Post #2290 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:21 pm

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jmj3000 wrote:It is safe for us non players to post now, right?
Please keep in mind that this moment is for the players (especially the white team.) No spamming. Let the players make their guesses as to who the black team is, without interfering.

Players: you can either PM me your guesses, or post them in thread, if you want. Yes, I was only joking about modkills. If you were white, you have already won the game.
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Post Post #2291 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:00 pm

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Interesting game, but with no lynches this barely resembled Mafia at all.

Decent play by both sides. White launched a good attack and it paid off.

No clue who Black was, I just wanted to see how the chess game would play out. I doubt anyone in the game really cared who Black was either TBH.
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Post Post #2292 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:39 pm

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I'm guessing Sudo and Indigo. Sudo for sudden lurking, and Indigo because I'm sheeping with Hero. :P

Oi, that game was freakin' epic. I did so many calculations of one particular move (can't remember specifically, but one of the options was Qf6+) only to realize the suggested move was the best move all along. Oh well.

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Post Post #2293 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:15 pm

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Sudo was black, but it had nothing to do with my lurking. I stopped caring at a certain point, unfortunately. This game was draining.
One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.
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Post Post #2294 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:45 pm

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Seeing as White has large advantage wouldn't it have made more sense for the minority to play White and the majority to play Black?
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Post Post #2295 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:49 pm

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White's advantage isn't really that large, though.
One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.
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Post Post #2296 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:54 pm

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I think it's more likely a minority can keep the game even vs a majority when the minority is the one with advantage. Maybe that theory could be tested when Chess Mafia 2 is played.
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Post Post #2297 (ISO) » Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:54 pm

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I have a feeling the system will recieve a complete overhaul before we start running Chess Mafia 2.
One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.
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Post Post #2298 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:32 am

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What do you mean by White having a huge advantage? In a pure chess sense, because they move first? In a game with players below Master level, that advantage is almost nothing. Also, in terms of the chess aspect of this particular chess-mafia game, I think the mafia has a huge advantage. They can devise plans and openly discuss with one another what they are, whereas town doesn't have that luxury, because any planning they do in the thread will be fruitless unless it is unstoppable. So basically, town's only chance is to play solid positional chess, whereas Black can attempt attacks, tactics, etc. I think White was able to win this game, simply because the chess players on the mafia team were not our stronger players (no offense intended).

Honestly, I don't have much of a guess at who is mafia. I started out taking some notes trying to figure it out, but once White gained an advantage in the game, I stopped caring about who was mafia completely and just concentrated on the chess game.

I would guess that Thok and Herodotus aren't mafia simply because they were the ones working with me the most to solidify white's position, but then again, at that point the game was just about lost for Black and they may have been doing that as a final sell that they were town, in case we decided to make it interesting and start lynching.

As for Chess Mafia 2, I have some pretty good ideas for how to make this more of a hybrid game and force the action. I was thinking each piece captured gave that side the right to kill someone. So when white captures a piece they can lynch someone (or pass) and when black captures a piece they can nightkill someone. The number of players would be crucial, because you wouldn't want it to get to a point where Black can sacrifice their queen for a pawn to get the final nightkill. Also, if it is a big enough game, I was thinking pawns=1 kill, minor pieces=2 kills, major pieces=3 kills.
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Post Post #2299 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:38 am

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One benefit of the game I describe above is that it shouldn't be boring chess. With each move the sides must not only consider the chess aspects of the variations but the killing that goes along with it. At times it may be beneficial for lynching and at times black may be willing to sacrifice to get a night kill, etc.

Other possibilities:
1. Ignore pawns (for capture=kill purposes)
2. Make checks result in a kill or some other special power (could be in coordination with capture=kill or not).
3. Roles. Obviously, this is always an option but certain roles could prevent the Q for P sacrifice from black
4. Assign each player to a specific piece (minor or major or even random pawn, I guess). When that piece is killed, that player dies in the game. Obviously, checkmate is a win for that side.

1. Ignore pawns
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