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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:26 am
by Cephrir
In post 22782, Ankamius wrote:Kog is 100% an IE->PD champion.

Pretty much agreed with Cephrir, but I disagree with going IE first on Corki.
Fair enough, I haven't played Corki since he was both FOTM and free simultaneously.
In post 22789, Bub Bidderskins wrote:Isn't BotRK supposed to be really good on Vayne early?
People certainly do it. I'm sure it's probably fine.


I don't really get ganked successfully all that often in bot lane, maybe it's a product of being in gold, but junglers tend to go for mid & top more in my experience and when they do come bot it often doesn't work and my HP is rarely an object.

Dorans/Lifestealquints/Vamp scepter is generally more than enough lifesteal for me. But my main ADC is Cait, and she's kinda the safest thing you can even do, soooo.

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:27 am
by AngryPidgeon
I banned Yi at champ select, you are lying. Im zilean, Town Doctor.

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:32 am
by AngryPidgeon
I'd buy Vamp scepter as enough early sustain potentially for some champs. (Cait being one).

There is zero excuse to not be running flat AD quints though. Especially if you aren't averaging at least 150 CS by 20 mins.

God damn it, I spell quints like Qwints because of this
douche
cute boy.. Also holy butt his UID is 10k, thats cool.

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:40 am
by AngryPidgeon
In post 22800, Cephrir wrote:I don't really get ganked successfully all that often in bot lane, maybe it's a product of being in gold, but junglers tend to go for mid & top more in my experience and when they do come bot it often doesn't work and my HP is rarely an object.
Ya, bot lanes tends to be less gankable in higher levels when supports are actually warding properly.

I've actually been using that unspoken expectation to justify less early game wards as support : x since junglers typically expect bot to be the most warded lane.

YMMV depending on the enemy jungler too. Shyvana is a terrible ganker. WW, however, is gonna shit on you if you let badplays add up to being less than good HP.

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:41 am
by AngryPidgeon
Also if you are on blue team, you can get away with less wards/sustain in general in bot lane, but I would probably not factor that into my build path as AD.

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:57 am
by notscience
So

I was just playing draft

Our team had me as Zac, Malphite, and Leona

Needless to say, they surrendered after one teamfight

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:13 pm
by PJ.
Vote: NotScience


I counterclaim JOAT

I'm Lee Sin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA04nbviQ8E

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:24 pm
by notscience
God damnit

I have to watch all these now

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:24 pm
by notscience
God damnit

I have to watch all these now

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:33 pm
by Lady Lambdadelta

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:22 pm
by Glork
In post 22805, notscience wrote:So

I was just playing draft

Our team had me as Zac, Malphite, and Leona

Needless to say, they surrendered after one teamfight
How could you be Zac, Malphite, AND Leona?!???

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:55 pm
by Ankamius
Isn't it obvious? He Unstoppable Forces up to them, which knocks them up, then BOUNCY TIME and starts the eclipse that stuns them the instant the second knockup ends.

I can't imagine a more overpowered champion for starting teamfights.

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:59 pm
by Ser Arthur Dayne
Hell yeah. So I finally got the balls to finish my provisionals (I did 5 a few months back, went 2-3, then decided to actually invest more time in practicing...). Won all the 5 left, and got placed in Silver III (Volibear's Gladiators). :mrgreen:

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:01 pm
by notscience
In post 22810, Glork wrote:
In post 22805, notscience wrote:So

I was just playing draft

Our team had me as Zac, Malphite, and Leona

Needless to say, they surrendered after one teamfight
How could you be Zac, Malphite, AND Leona?!???
ba dum tss

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:11 pm
by AngryPidgeon
Id surrender too if one person had 3 champs.

I need to play more malph. Secret op champ. Except not that secret. And no one bans him anymore

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:14 pm
by KageLord
In post 22814, AngryPidgeon wrote: I need to play more malph. Secret op champ. Except not that secret. And no one bans him anymore
Ikr. Finally played him after a long time and for some reason they picked Jax after me. Needless to say, it did not go well for him.

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:52 pm
by Glork
Malphite, Cho, and Sona are the only champs I've played in my last 6-7 ranked games. Incidentally, I've won all of them.

EDIT: Malph is still banned quite a bit in the normals I play. My normal ELO is super fucking terrible.

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:35 pm
by notscience
Can someone please play some games with me

I have not been able to get a win all day. I just had a Yi rush Maw.

I always draw the short bus.

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:32 pm
by Saki
I always go double dorans > scepter > t1 > BT > (zeal, t2)

but then again that only pertains to Quinn/Sivir/Cait
I take double dorans-scepter since I run full AD marks/quints over lifesteal
being able to last-hit under turret at level 1 is a big difference to not being able to

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:15 am
by Bub Bidderskins
I always take lifesteal quints as a carry. Ever since the S3 patch that lifesteal is a lot harder to get from other places, and the sustain in lane is super nice.

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:16 am
by Saki
double dorans is pretty much the same thing as 1 doran + LS quints so...

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:46 am
by KageLord
In post 22818, Saki wrote:I always go double dorans > scepter > t1 > BT > (zeal, t2)

but then again that only pertains to Quinn/Sivir/Cait
I take double dorans-scepter since I run full AD marks/quints over lifesteal
being able to last-hit under turret at level 1 is a big difference to not being able to
How often are you under turret at level 1? O.o

On Cait I would much rather rush the IE (with LS quints) than take AD quints and buy LS.

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:48 am
by Saki
level 1 was a generalization
not being able to farm under turret until your first back sucks

and on cait I'd prefer the extra AA damage with full AD to hit the enemy ad with anyways

and i thought bt > IE on cait since passive-q-r

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:02 am
by Bub Bidderskins
I can farm reasonably well under turret with LS quints. Sure, I'm not great, but I attribute that to lack of mechanical skill and not lack of runes.

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:05 am
by Saki
I'm pretty bad, so
:(
also it's funny since I went ahead and bought ArPen, MS AND Lifesteal quints when they were "meta" respectively but never actually use them

my Ip...nooooo