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↑ Piratecat wrote:

↑ Majiffy wrote:

↑ Piratecat wrote:I was right about slaandar will you plz just trust me one more time.

VOTE: buldemar

You mean

I

was right about Slandaar, just like

I

will be right about buldermar?

nono

nononono

I called buldey scummy on d1 and you called me scummy for it and buddied up to him. other people may have early onset alzheimer's and not remember things correctly, I however, do not.

and yeah you pegged slaandar first but my reasons were better

Congratulations on being the one of you reading me the worst.

↑ buldermar wrote:Why are you reading me as scum?

You've already read and commented on why. So unless you have a memory of a goldfish...

By the by;

↑ buldermar wrote:

↑ Majiffy wrote:Oh right it was just OMGUS bullshit you wanted to explain away by "meta I can't reveal".

Really I was too lazy to figure out why I read you as scum in the first place, but why not pretend like it's meta instead?

↑ buldermar wrote:I'm not going to explain why Majiffy is scum because it is based on meta and I play a lot of games with him.

...that's pretty fucking damning and I am more than happy to get rid of someone who has admitted he's not even trying to play AND is outright lying about stuff. LAL and all.

↑ Majiffy wrote:

↑ buldermar wrote:Why are you reading me as scum?

You've already read and commented on why. So unless you have a memory of a goldfish...

By the by;

LYNCH THIS.

↑ buldermar wrote:

↑ Majiffy wrote:Oh right it was just OMGUS bullshit you wanted to explain away by "meta I can't reveal".

Really I was too lazy to figure out why I read you as scum in the first place, but why not pretend like it's meta instead?

↑ buldermar wrote:I'm not going to explain why Majiffy is scum because it is based on meta and I play a lot of games with him.

LYNCH THIS.

I feel like I do have a memory of a goldfish atm. I'm not scum, so the question is whether or not you want to dig enough to figure this out. If you'd rather just blindly trust your read, there really isn't much I can do about it. On the other hand, if you want to figure it out, I'll be available for questions.

↑ Knight of Cydonia wrote:...that's pretty fucking damning and I am more than happy to get rid of someone who has admitted he's not even trying to play AND is outright lying about stuff. LAL and all.

Vote: Buldemar

I think most people do this to some extent - the only difference is that I'm explaining why and trusting that other players are capable of understanding that I have no motivation as scum to do this. I can see that I was wrong in giving you so much credit.

I've dug enough to provide a case that the best rebuttal you have offered is "does anyone REALLY thing this is scummy?!". Which they do.

So... good job.

*think, not thing

↑ Majiffy wrote:I've dug enough to provide a case that the best rebuttal you have offered is "does anyone REALLY thing this is scummy?!". Which they do.

So... good job.

Where is your case again? I'll look into it carefully.

↑ buldermar wrote:

↑ Majiffy wrote:Can we discuss that all day yesterday Buldermar was trying to downtalk my analysis of the wagons and the gamestate, and trying to weaken any attempt at building a Slandaar wagon again? Yeah? Lets not forget that really obvious bit.

Were you attempting to build a Slandaar wagon? Because that would change my opinion of you entirely.

Did you ever answer this?

lol

buldey I know you are grinning as you type all of this out you scummy little scummery scumscum you.

you got your hand caught in the cookie jar

↑ Piratecat wrote:lol

buldey I know you are grinning as you type all of this out you scummy little scummery scumscum you.

you got your hand caught in the cookie jar

You're mistaking. Like I've said previously, I don't lose games as scum. You're best off lynching me when you can't find a single reason to do so, not when you think there is a trillion of reasons. This is because I'm well capable of manipulating you succesfully. In this game, I havn't really done anything to live up to my reputation as town, I know that. But I also have made a lot of mistakes that I would have never made had I been scum.

If you want to, you can ask me questions now. I'll answer them carefully and detailed. I'll reread things to do so. It's entirely up to you, but I don't think you really have anything to lose from it.

I'm sorry that I havn't really been taking this game seriously and that I havn't done much to contribute. I do have excuses, but that's besides the point.

↑ buldermar wrote:

↑ Piratecat wrote:lol

buldey I know you are grinning as you type all of this out you scummy little scummery scumscum you.

you got your hand caught in the cookie jar

You're mistaking. Like I've said previously, I don't lose games as scum. You're best off lynching me when you can't find a single reason to do so, not when you think there is a trillion of reasons. This is because I'm well capable of manipulating you succesfully. In this game, I havn't really done anything to live up to my reputation as town, I know that. But I also have made a lot of mistakes that I would have never made had I been scum.

If you want to, you can ask me questions now. I'll answer them carefully and detailed. I'll reread things to do so. It's entirely up to you, but I don't think you really have anything to lose from it.

I'm sorry that I havn't really been taking this game seriously and that I havn't done much to contribute. I do have excuses, but that's besides the point.

Your defence is "I don't lose as scum and you want to lynch me here so clearly I'm not scum"?
Really?

Alright then.

↑ Knight of Cydonia wrote:

↑ buldermar wrote:

↑ Piratecat wrote:lol

buldey I know you are grinning as you type all of this out you scummy little scummery scumscum you.

you got your hand caught in the cookie jar

You're mistaking. Like I've said previously, I don't lose games as scum. You're best off lynching me when you can't find a single reason to do so, not when you think there is a trillion of reasons. This is because I'm well capable of manipulating you succesfully. In this game, I havn't really done anything to live up to my reputation as town, I know that. But I also have made a lot of mistakes that I would have never made had I been scum.

If you want to, you can ask me questions now. I'll answer them carefully and detailed. I'll reread things to do so. It's entirely up to you, but I don't think you really have anything to lose from it.

I'm sorry that I havn't really been taking this game seriously and that I havn't done much to contribute. I do have excuses, but that's besides the point.

Your defence is "I don't lose as scum and you want to lynch me here so clearly I'm not scum"?
Really?

My defence against what? I'm still waiting for the reasons why I'm considered scum. The fact that I do not lose as scum is nothing but that - a fact. I'll defend myself once I understand why people think I'm scum, aside from the fact that I've been trolling and I havn't been following the game carefully and I have been lying. For what it's worth, all of these are not alignment indicative as the more experienced players in this game will know.

fyi the fact that PirateCat, Ms Marangal, and Majiffy (and to a lesser extent Goatman and Cryo) are on this wagon is a big part of why I'm willing to join it too. That's a force of towniness if I've ever seen one.

↑ Messiah wrote:Alright then.

vote: Buldermar

Messiah, why do you think I'm more likely to change my behavior now as scum than as town? (I assume this is why you're voting me)

↑ Messiah wrote:fyi the fact that PirateCat, Ms Marangal, and Majiffy (and to a lesser extent Goatman and Cryo) are on this wagon is a big part of why I'm willing to join it too. That's a force of towniness if I've ever seen one.

I understand that, and I read you as town, but the fact that they are willing to join it does not change the fact that I'm town.

I'm asking you what I can do at this point to show you or prove to you that I'm town.

↑ buldermar wrote:

↑ Knight of Cydonia wrote:

↑ buldermar wrote:

↑ Piratecat wrote:lol

buldey I know you are grinning as you type all of this out you scummy little scummery scumscum you.

you got your hand caught in the cookie jar

You're mistaking. Like I've said previously, I don't lose games as scum. You're best off lynching me when you can't find a single reason to do so, not when you think there is a trillion of reasons. This is because I'm well capable of manipulating you succesfully. In this game, I havn't really done anything to live up to my reputation as town, I know that. But I also have made a lot of mistakes that I would have never made had I been scum.

If you want to, you can ask me questions now. I'll answer them carefully and detailed. I'll reread things to do so. It's entirely up to you, but I don't think you really have anything to lose from it.

I'm sorry that I havn't really been taking this game seriously and that I havn't done much to contribute. I do have excuses, but that's besides the point.

Your defence is "I don't lose as scum and you want to lynch me here so clearly I'm not scum"?
Really?

My defence against what? I'm still waiting for the reasons why I'm considered scum. The fact that I do not lose as scum is nothing but that - a fact. I'll defend myself once I understand why people think I'm scum, aside from the fact that I've been trolling and I havn't been following the game carefully and I have been lying. For what it's worth, all of these are not alignment indicative as the more experienced players in this game will know.

the only reason you won the game I gmed on tr is cos raven or I weren't playing. we would have lynched for the sheer amount of kill tells you and nacho kept dropping.

I don't really think that? I shape up when I'm wagoned as town. You look like you're caught in a lie, though. You seemed content to talk about how flawless your scum game is until now.

Buldey?

buldey tell me a story....

tell me how scummy you thought I was again. and how it was based on meta

↑ Piratecat wrote:

↑ buldermar wrote:

↑ Knight of Cydonia wrote:

↑ buldermar wrote:

↑ Piratecat wrote:lol

buldey I know you are grinning as you type all of this out you scummy little scummery scumscum you.

you got your hand caught in the cookie jar

You're mistaking. Like I've said previously, I don't lose games as scum. You're best off lynching me when you can't find a single reason to do so, not when you think there is a trillion of reasons. This is because I'm well capable of manipulating you succesfully. In this game, I havn't really done anything to live up to my reputation as town, I know that. But I also have made a lot of mistakes that I would have never made had I been scum.

If you want to, you can ask me questions now. I'll answer them carefully and detailed. I'll reread things to do so. It's entirely up to you, but I don't think you really have anything to lose from it.

I'm sorry that I havn't really been taking this game seriously and that I havn't done much to contribute. I do have excuses, but that's besides the point.

Your defence is "I don't lose as scum and you want to lynch me here so clearly I'm not scum"?
Really?

My defence against what? I'm still waiting for the reasons why I'm considered scum. The fact that I do not lose as scum is nothing but that - a fact. I'll defend myself once I understand why people think I'm scum, aside from the fact that I've been trolling and I havn't been following the game carefully and I have been lying. For what it's worth, all of these are not alignment indicative as the more experienced players in this game will know.

the only reason you won the game I gmed on tr is cos raven or I weren't playing. we would have lynched for the sheer amount of kill tells you and nacho kept dropping.

History is history and you are yet to read me correctly when I'm scum. I'm not particularly interested in what you think you would have done in games in which you didn't participate.

Do you have anything you wish to ask me in this game? I've offered my help to show you that I am indeed town. I've asked of you to show me why you think I'm not.

↑ Messiah wrote:I don't really think that? I shape up when I'm wagoned as town. You look like you're caught in a lie, though. You seemed content to talk about how flawless your scum game is until now.

What lie?

I still think my scum game is flawless, even now. In what post did I supposedly retract that statement?

↑ Piratecat wrote:buldey tell me a story....

tell me how scummy you thought I was again. and how it was based on meta

Alright, I'll explain my thoughts as I remember them now without reading back (and I can additionally look back in the thread and re-explain things if you wish).

In the beginning of the game, you made a lot of scum reads and no town reads (this is verifiable by ISO'ing you; I suggest anyone who thinks I'm lying about this do so). Generally speaking, scum benefits from not getting "locked into" town reads early on. On the other hand, it's very advantageous for scum to keep all doors open by reading players as null/leaning this and that/scum. This was my first main reason for thinking you'd be scum.

After this reason we had a lot of debate about this, and I thought your reaction was unlike what I have previously seen from you. However, at the time I didn't pay attention to when a post was from you and when it was from mala (now I identify the difference by capitalized letters or lack thereof). It may be that I've misread your reaction because it really wasn't yours.

Obviously, I'm now fairly certain that you're town based on Messiah (it was him, right?) investigating you as such.

Does it answer your question?

↑ buldermar wrote:

↑ Piratecat wrote:buldey tell me a story....

tell me how scummy you thought I was again. and how it was based on meta

Alright, I'll explain my thoughts as I remember them now without reading back (and I can additionally look back in the thread and re-explain things if you wish).

In the beginning of the game, you made a lot of scum reads and no town reads (this is verifiable by ISO'ing you; I suggest anyone who thinks I'm lying about this do so). Generally speaking, scum benefits from not getting "locked into" town reads early on. On the other hand, it's very advantageous for scum to keep all doors open by reading players as null/leaning this and that/scum. This was my first main reason for thinking you'd be scum.

After this reason we had a lot of debate about this, and I thought your reaction was unlike what I have previously seen from you. However, at the time I didn't pay attention to when a post was from you and when it was from mala (now I identify the difference by capitalized letters or lack thereof). It may be that I've misread your reaction because it really wasn't yours.

Obviously, I'm now fairly certain that you're town based on Messiah (it was him, right?) investigating you as such.

Does it answer your question?

sort of. as reasonable as you are trying to make yourself sound you are still scum