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ok, i'm an idiot. you're right, Almost.

who killed dunker will sort itself out. if it was town shooting they shouldn't claim, but if there comes a point where we're sure no town killed dunker, it has the potential to be a guilty on Gamma. or on Joey. haha.

but now, considering Gamma's a watcher, just let him get reports. no reason to flip him today.

In post 2279, Ranmaru wrote:

In post 2254, Joey_ wrote:I iso'd him again and while i think there's some merits to that, i doubt Gamma would antagonize both his red friends d1

I disagree with this. Having seen Gamma as scum, he does interact a lot with his buddies.

Interact yes.. but hard bus?? I don't think so.

In post 2291, marshy wrote:all this claim stuff is kinda boring

has it been revealed that elbirn would have died had he targeted scum? like i dont see the holdup. not much has changed beyond that

He would have. It's in his role card. He didn't die of that though, so stop pushing Gamma based on the Elbrin flip.

In post 2292, Gamma Emerald wrote:reads, a bit more simplified now

Town: brassherald, Ranmaru, pidgey, Jodaxq, Joey_, Chara
Townlean: Kokichi Oma, Titus
Null: ActionDan
Scumlean: marshy, BuJaber, Kiana Kaslana
Scum: Nero Cain, Klazam, Shaziro

This might be too much scum but it's how I'm feeling, it's not a full gamesolve attempt.

1- Why is pidgy Town?
2- Why is Nero Scum?
3- Why am I missing?

In post 2277, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 2276, Kokichi Oma wrote:I think gamma or Joey is most likely who Elbrin visited

why joey? He didn't say Joey was scum if Creature was, he only said me

read Elbirn's flipped role again.

god, no, wait.
there's no reason not to bodyguard the IC if he's using it that way. it was probably that.

but also thinking about Elbirn and if he used his role optimally is blah. so whatever. i still think it will sort itself.

Almost: tonally i think Bujaber's town. the "why not leave him be" is also what i've seen town specifically say about Creature. otherwise i sort of do get the associative and absolutely the utility of keeping a roleblocker live, but if you have more besides that i'm going to check your ISO.

In post 2295, brassherald wrote:

In post 2294, Almost50 wrote:

In post 2269, brassherald wrote:Joda's claim made sense, since tomorrow if she comes out with a new ability, I would 100% call her out on it being changed from the day before.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand this. Joda claimed she get a new ability at the start of every night and that she has ti use it on the same night!

If she didn't clarify that today, it would have been suspicious if tonight she gets like a cop shot and says she copped someone with a guilty, right?

OH! Now I understand.

In post 2305, Chara wrote:there's no reason not to bodyguard the IC if he's using it that way. it was probably that.

1- Elbrin crumbed targeting Gamma
2- The IC was protected by the resolution anyway
3- If Elbrin targeted brass and either myself/Gamma (the two who claimed visiting brass) or even a third person who didn't claim tried to shoot the IC it would most certainly have been with a strongman, so it would have bypassed Elbrin and he would not have died.

I'm 99.99% certain Elbrin died if a direct shot at him and it's 98.99% from the red team (the 1% is reserved for an insane Vig and/or a redirector)

In post 2302, Almost50 wrote:

In post 2291, marshy wrote:all this claim stuff is kinda boring

has it been revealed that elbirn would have died had he targeted scum? like i dont see the holdup. not much has changed beyond that

He would have. It's in his role card. He didn't die of that though, so stop pushing Gamma based on the Elbrin flip.

what makes you believe scum killed elbrin?

In post 2307, Almost50 wrote:1- Elbrin crumbed targeting Gamma
2- The IC was protected by the resolution anyway
3- If Elbrin targeted brass and either myself/Gamma (the two who claimed visiting brass) or even a third person who didn't claim tried to shoot the IC it would most certainly have been with a strongman, so it would have bypassed Elbrin and he would not have died.

I'm 99.99% certain Elbrin died if a direct shot at him and it's 98.99% from the red team (the 1% is reserved for an insane Vig and/or a redirector)

1. he did.
2. the resolution was only for night 1 as far as i can tell. Elbirn's bodyguard starts working on night .
3. see point two. Elbirn targeted scum or he was nightkilled, there's absolutely no way he died via the bodyguard.

In post 2305, Chara wrote:Almost: tonally i think Bujaber's town. the "why not leave him be" is also what i've seen town specifically say about Creature. otherwise i sort of do get the associative and absolutely the utility of keeping a roleblocker live, but if you have more besides that i'm going to check your ISO.

Tbh, I'm not as sure about BuJaber's alignment anymore. I mean, he would still be in my lynch pool, but I'm now more interested in a marshy flip.
How do you read marshy? And Kiana?

In post 2308, marshy wrote:what makes you believe scum killed elbrin?

I've already explained that no less than 3 times already.

the most ive gotten is that you think they did it to frame gamma and that its me. i kno thats wrong so i figured id try getting a useful answer but obviously not

In post 2310, Almost50 wrote:Tbh, I'm not as sure about BuJaber's alignment anymore. I mean, he would still be in my lynch pool, but I'm now more interested in a marshy flip.
How do you read marshy? And Kiana?

i liked marshy's day opening on Dan, that's about all i remember. Kiana, i have nothing. i might be able to read her but it's more than i'm looking to see how she engages and she engages. :> (this is to you, Kiana! help me, help you.)

In post 2307, Almost50 wrote: I'm 99.99% certain Elbrin died if a direct shot at him and it's 98.99% from the red team (the 1% is reserved for an insane Vig and/or a redirector)

pls stop making unspecified claims. At the least its dumb. At most scummy.

Almost just doesn't given enough credit to the capacity for players to make terrible, terrible night choices.

about 2307, are you saying you think the orange team killed dunker, or did you just put the wrong colour. i thought you were arguing that dunker wasn't a scum nightkill.

I was aggressive with Gamma lying about his reasoning because it seemed like a blatant lie based on the fact that we had all the information I would assume anyone could get who wasn’t directly affected by the resolutions in the resolution enactment post. I think that’s a dumb reason to scumread me but do what you wanna do I guess. Don’t be reluctant to wagon me just because I am dealing with real life things, that’s just as dumb as being eager to wagon me for it. Just play the game normally.

Stop host voting brass at this point IMO, save them for whoever you want as runner up. Chara and Titus are currently my top townreads outside of brass and myself, I’d like one of them as runner up.

Gamma, I haven’t voted yet, was holding off on that for WC

In post 2136, Almost50 wrote:Elbrin DID target Gamma, but he dies of a direct shot from the Orange Mafia PRECISELY TO FRAME GAMMA. He was a BODYGUARD not a Hider, so he would still die from direct shots.

Did you even read his role? He targets n1 meaning he'd die if he targeted scum. Not sure if this is just a50 being dumb or if A50 is scum that is trying to misrep/misinform the situation.

I mean sure, El could have been shot but I think it's just as likely that he died b/c Gamma was scum. At the same time, I feel like the smart thing to do was target Brass but I don't think scum would have shot at Brass knowing that he was protected. So I agree with a50 that scum shot at EL and I wonder id this is maybe a slip.

In post 2305, Chara wrote:god, no, wait.
there's no reason not to bodyguard the IC if he's using it that way. it was probably that.

A) No that's a very suboptimal use

B) Gamma claimed to watch Brass and only saw Almost50 visit

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Still don't know who's scum.

Gamma

and Shaz

I really don't think it's either of those

In post 2293, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 2174, Venmar wrote:

In post 1848, Chara wrote:

Venmar: i read that as the bodyguard works night 2 onward, but could Elbirn have bodyguarded someone on night 1 and died that way?

No. Elbirn's role would not have protected on Night 1, but would have Night 2 and onwards.

(Votecount on the way)

If Elbirn targeted scum would he have died by weak modifier?

whoops forgot about a50's claim. He's just dumb town talking out of his ass.

In post 2321, ActionDan wrote:I really don't think it's either of those

and you