Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[Hectic]

And does town!Tanner need to force themselves to effort early to mid this day phase after the game is going swimmingly with a day 1 scum launch? I see it as more like that scum!Tanner feels the need after the game is going disastrously after a day 1 scum launch. It's scum-indicative but nothing concrete, a feeling of the guts

[Prism]

I forget how tired I get after I eat so the Tanner-towncase heavy lifting is probably going to come in 4/5 hours after a nap than anything soon btw, my apologies

[Morning Tweet]

Yesssss nap time

[Hectic]

That's true, it means nothing if he was also like this on day 1 and there was no shift. I'll have a look when I'm on top of my desk. And yes, it is primarily a toneread, but again: It was a feeling and nothing strong, it's not like I'm trying to case Tanner as scum for it. It's just I have nowhere else to feel good about right now

[Prism]

And does town!Tanner need to force themselves to effort early to mid this day phase after the game is going swimmingly with a day 1 scum launch? I see it as more like that scum!Tanner feels the need after the game is going disastrously after a day 1 scum launch. It's scum-indicative but nothing concrete, a feeling of the guts

Tanner noticeably thought about the flip+reviewed how the game interacted with it overnight. 1064.

I'm also skeptical of the trying too hard point to begin with, since Tanner started pretty naturally w/ reflections on the wagon+where to go from here and then quickly got into it with you about his LHF push on Lav and with his suspicion of Puppy for trying to spare. One of these is a response, one is totally original and had no one else to present it if he didn't.

[Prism]

Fair enough. I'll wait until you get a chance to review.

[Morning Tweet]

For the record, I would be perfectly happy to flop your ears

no. thats my job. you stay away from her ears.

i want to ensure that no one flops morning's ears for the remainder of the game as punishment for mislunching me when all i was doing was flopping her ears.

(>﹏<)

Now I'm all conflicted. my ears depend heavily on the outcome of this next fight

[Prism]

to be clear, i linked 1064 to provide evidence for why he's worried about a bus+why it's worth being a bit worried about as town-Tanner, rather than the more natural reaction being to check out entirely

[Prism]

Since you're speaking off the top of your head Hectic, without really needing to reference too much/compare post by post for us...

Can you speak about what you remember about your game with Tayl0r and how those memories have influenced your read on the slot?

[Hectic]

My food is ready, Prism. Your questions will have to wait I'm afraid.

As compensation, please accept this bribe:

Spoiler:

[Prism]

I guess the third time asking wasn't the charm after all.

Enjoy food.

[Hectic]

Food was enjoyed.

Since you're speaking off the top of your head Hectic, without really needing to reference too much/compare post by post for us...

Can you speak about what you remember about your game with Tayl0r and how those memories have influenced your read on the slot?

My memory of that game is that Tayl0r was extremely confident and aggressive, to the point where people thought she was scummy for the way she was playing, but she ended up being the JK, and acknowledged a large part of why she was playing that way was because she had the safety of a PR role to fall back on.

I am aware her play is different this game, but if you look at Menagerie, you'd see it isn't scum-indicative for her. My reasons for why I think she's town here are for specific associations based things.

[Hectic]

My memory of that game is that Tayl0r was extremely confident and aggressive, to the point where people thought she was scummy for the way she was playing, but she ended up being the JK, and acknowledged a large part of why she was playing that way was because she had the safety of a PR role to fall back on.

I am aware her play is different this game, but if you look at Menagerie, you'd see it isn't scum-indicative for her. My reasons for why I think she's town here are for specific associations based things.

[Hectic]

My memory of that game is that Tayl0r was extremely confident and aggressive, to the point where people thought she was scummy for the way she was playing, but she ended up being the JK, and acknowledged a large part of why she was playing that way was because she had the safety of a PR role to fall back on.

I am aware her play is different this game, but if you look at Menagerie, you'd see it isn't scum-indicative for her. My reasons for why I think she's town here are for specific associations based things.

[Hectic]

There you go, I answered it thrice for you. Hope this satisfies your earlier requests.

[Hectic]

okay this thread is actually active again. okay i will put at least some effort into this game goddammit.

sup fuckers
this game is giving me anxiety but alcohol is helping with that so here i am
also before i was accused of saying i'm drinking while posting in order to escape the responsibility of what i write, and i'm saying right away, 100% hold me accountable for whatever i write in this post because i'm probably a better player drunk than sober

i am so annoyed at this game
on one hand, the person i was townreading and who was townreading me, and who had very similar thoughts to mine about the game, was killed. maybe it is as easy as it looks.
on the other, did scum really just like??? lay on the floor and die??? and also if we miss today and maaaybe tomorrow, i'm gonna be next in the firing line, and holy hell i am not in the mood

Snippets from today.

ugh, okay. it's already way past 3am here and i'm pretty tired and this game is uninspiring, so. i was hoping that elements would be back to elaborate on his reads or that lavender would be back to do something since those are the two things that interest me the most at the moment but alas.

i don't think i've ever hated a day one as much as i hate this one...

However, there's also this from yesterday. So yes, there's no shift and my point is invalid.

[Prism]

Thanks! I am a bit concerned that you're jumping to the conclusion there as opposed to explaining how you've thought about her over the course of the game. Looking at the dates they overlapped a bit more than I thought, though, so maybe there isn't a clear process.

[Hectic]

"Maybe even today" led me to the "He's not Chara" thoughts, but now I'm wondering if Hectic did hardtroll his team with that beeboy wagon. It makes several of his plays this game make immediate more sense (initial sparepush, sparepush pt. 2 featuring not even trying to persuade people on Morning specifically, interaction w/ me seemed to be playing to confirm he's scum with Tayl0r rather than to salvage the game, Lavender def looks pretty bad if he flips Chara overnight N1). Maybe that wagon was set to distance but got out of control?

Could you explain why my initial sparepush and sparepush pt. 2 make more sense as

Chara

? Someone heavily pushing for spares day 1 is immediately going to make people have some kind of paranoia feelings about them being

Chara

.

Also, I was on Ele and pushing him consistently throughout the day. 2126 and 2146 show you view it as a hard bus, and you're even sus of me because you think it was TMI (a bus), so where are these feelings that it could be distancing that got out of control coming from?

[Prism]

Chara's job is to either get spared or dodge one fight. It's really not a big deal if people are worried that you're Chara Day 1 just for your strategy choice as long as you don't wind up getting fought for it.

Second point is that I'm wondering if I've been in the wrong frame of mind with thinking hard bus->not Chara. Challenging hard bus paradigm and rereading with the alternate possibility in mind will probably be helpful. It might go nowhere and have my conclude the same thing as before.

[Prism]

Rereading my own post there it's pretty clear that I'm spitballing an alternate theory, posing it as a question to myself to revisit/investigate more.

[Hectic]

Alright, sure.

I don't think you are, but I would love if you were scum this game, Prism. I might even root for you from the side-lines even if you got my misFIGHT. In a way, I was disappointed by Ele flipping scum day 1, since this game probably wouldn't live up to the deepwolf and formidable scum heights of Undertale Prequel, but maybe this game can still fulfil this destiny yet.

[Tanner]

hello i'm sorry, this is a shameless prodge, i've skimmed a bit, if anyone has any burning questions for me i'm here for a bit, but any actual analysis coming tomorrow maybe

please accept this dumb meme i made as an apology

Spoiler:

So I've been working on the Tanner ISO. I'm through about 101 posts of 128.

I feel

significantly

better about this slot and strongly doubt it is scum. Every single piece of this ISO lines up. Every read, every progression, every single thought one way or another gets tied together or shines through later down the line past-present-future. The only mistake Tanner-scum has made all game long is overplaying his paranoid hand of Puppy, but even the early stages of that (until 1440) are actually really good, even though I disagree in his conclusion it all adds up extremely well.

I'm starving so I'm taking a break for lunch, but I'll finish the last 27 posts and I'll try and type up a more complete wall outlining what I mean w/ clear examples when I get back.

I don't think there's any way that I vote this slot today.

Oh jesus christ based off timestamps I've been at this for almost 2 hours

[Hectic]

It's not fair, your and Prism's avatar ooze too much charisma

I request that you both switch to the following to even the playing field:

[CantHateAPuppy]

ive also been mostly on mute but dont really have anything to say. feels like we used up all the brainthoughts last week and are huffing fumes this week. deadline in 2 days right?

i say strike while the iron is hot and before the game drags on and everyone subs out. someone tell me what the wagon is already and ill probably vote there unless its the wrong wagon

[Krazy]

HEAL: Prism

This is not a serious proposal and I doubt it would be a correct mechanical choice, just keeping track of where my head's at right now