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idk if this sounds dumb or not but could the mafia have an inverted killer role like pelican? it says that they could target people even if they were away from town / in another universe which would explain the commuter kills?

also i think that would be a scum variant role too?

yeah, I was kinda thinking the scum strongman would be a variant role just based on the number of commuters

that's about the only thing that makes sense to me barring shoshin not commuting? but also shoshin said they got a message i think so that would mean they didn't commute n1 assuming it was a night thing?

In post 1964, Shoshin wrote:Yep. Me receiving a message is Nico's gift to us all.

like reading this now i feel like this is shoshin saying that nico was maybe afk through the night and didn't submit an action

well scum strongman doesn't have to be variant, it can just be a reflavored strongman. and yeah, shoshin is soft confirmed as not commuting n1

so the scum team could be [deadgoon] + [strongman] + [variant bus driver] +/ [maybe nothing? second goon? traitor?]

I do think that BEF being town also maybe explains the shoshin strongman kill over Sam, Sam doesn't have much presence and if scum had been angling to push BEF today then shoshin does make sense as a kill for that reason

In post 2304, Ydrasse wrote:

In post 1964, Shoshin wrote:Yep. Me receiving a message is Nico's gift to us all.

like reading this now i feel like this is shoshin saying that nico was maybe afk through the night and didn't submit an action

that's exactly what shoshin claimed, and since commutation is an activated ability that means she did not commute

unless you're the 4th scum in which case the scum team would be exactly [deadgoon] [strongman] [variant bus driver] [commuter enabler] lol

also this doesn't really help most of us but if HBB is town I want to subjectively say I think bus driver + enchantress + strongman would be WAY too much scum power for this setup, so if HBB is town I think he should qualitatively know that Sam is town. Likewise, if HBB is scum and bluffed the existence of the bus driver then I would think sam would be more likely scum with him

sorry I should probably stop spamming the thread but dumb setup spec is one of the things I most enjoy about boon games LOL

oh did she hardclaim that? i just searched message because i remembered that bit from her

also i am an innocent child here.........

p-edit: i'm having fun tho pls... no one else is here...... setup spec is actually fun for once

hbb is town i want to believe i want to believe... but at the cost of sam being town too...... (a single tear falls from my eyes)

also like, regarding my role wrt a scumteam: i don't think that makes sense at all? like i guess i'm biased because i know that i'm not scum but i see myself as the second path should they lose their strongman/inverted/etc? like, if i'm on the scumteam with one it means that like. in a theoretical where the strongman dies they also have to bus me in order to have free reign when it comes to killing again, or be really good at identifying who isn't a commuter/a pr and idk if that's good setup design to where you have to lose half your team to be able to Do Things

like, in that situation the only thing that i think would make sense actually would be something investigative/something like a fruit vendor who can send fruit and try to work out who is or isn't a commuter from that? but bef's claim feels real here in like. a towny way or maybe bell's just making it look good in comparison

i guess there's the possibility multiple scum can kill commuters but that feels busted

well I guess if you're town then it could be something like [goon] [strongman] [variant bus driver] [informed scum] where they know who you are and could kill you in case the strongman got faded

i strongly believe there are probably 3 scum and a 3p (aristophanes)

anyways, if BEF was bussed, BEF doesnt actually know they were bussed right?
how could he claim a guilt on bell if BEF fruited HBB?

no, BEF would have fruited Bell, Bell's lack of claim would make him think guilty, and HBB ended up with the fruit because of the busdrive. In that scenario the loyal resolves (BEF+HBB same alignment) and it actually tells us nothing directly about Bell, although it implies Bell scum because scum are more likely to bus drive one town and one scum. In fact frankly I would think it would make Bell more likely the scum strongman, since scum would actively want the strongman alive so would make him a higher priority for the bus drive

VOTE: Bell I'm starting to get thirsty for this flip lmao

In post 2082, BrightEyedFish wrote:VOTE: Bell

In post 2098, shellyc wrote:VOTE: Bell

In post 2169, Ydrasse wrote:VOTE: bell

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In post 2253, Gypyx wrote:VOTE: bell

UNVOTE:

guess I shouldn't L-1 quite yet but I think Bell is the flip

Yeah I would prefer people just you know,
read the game and realize I'm town and that BEF is obvious scum but like, I don't think this town is gunna be able to do that.

Just you know, don't let him get away with this tommorrow.

You have Skoshin saying he received a letter and apparently another fruit vendor out there.
Bef just got a fake claim and crumbed it early, this isn't very hard.

You're in elo tomorrow.

:et me just grab reads quick and go with what I think and then just do what you want.

Bef pretty much started the game out by being paralyzed by the early claims and pretty clearly didn't know what to do or how to play around the Vax wagon. Resulting in one of the lamest laziest busses of all time. Which he somehow managed to spin for a very dumb audience that he was proud of getting his vote there lije 5th or something.

His analysis and reads were usually poorly constructed, self-serving and survivalistic.
I actually thought either skoshin was a mason or informed through letter that BEF was town so I slowly took my leg off the gas petal before he vehemently denied being informed which much made me think skoshin was chainsawing for his partner.

My vote was pretty much going to be lockedon BEF from today forwards without some very convincing evidence otherwise,

Instead, I got a fake cop guilty turned into a fruit vendor claim and a lackadaisical approach to something that needed to be approached with care, but would make sense from BEF scum. But no sense from an actual town loyal fruit vendor.
Sam confirmed I wasn't moved and I expected that, Shelly has tried to push this elimination through quickly for their to be little information coming through on the flip. Which means she has confidence she is likely going to win tomorrow.
Do not let her get away with this because this sort of fake claim has her play written all over it and I doubt BEF came up with it himself.

Aristophanes play has been bleh and TGP's play has been bleh and that's why we ended up miseliminating yesterday with a mislead Skoshin who thought he knew better than the other players and that one game of good play meant something about his skills in general. You should always challenge yourself and your reads and your understanding of the game and the second BEF said guilty you turned your brains off and let him lead you by the nose into your own preconceived notions about the game state.

I think HBB is town or at least not lying about the fruit claim because why would he just randomly bring that up here as scum? His wagoning of vax seemed natural and I don't see anything in his disposition that points to him being scum, he was a little sheepy, but I don't think it was a town sheep or that he took advantage of skoshin's reads to get a miselimination through. I could be wrong, I haven't run into hectic scum before. I'm a little frustrated he didn't realize this was fake, but whatever. I assumed you would realized I was panicking town with a fake guilty and not just...scum because? I dunno. Whatever.

HUB is just kind of there, doing role spec and not changing a thing. NK of Shoshin may have been due to being town read to meh read but also just be because he wasn't buying into HUB's play.
Or it could be that He wasn't giving Sam's claim a pass. Though how she pushed back was townie from my perspective. You're kind of supposed to take a high handed approach to being a PR, though her claim was weird since she wasn't run up beforehand.
Regardless lots of Commuters, 3 VT claims. Lots of powerrole madness.

Ydrasse is another player that has spent a lot of time just sitting there and sort of going are they scum? Or are they not scum?
Which granted if you're a enabler your #1 Priority is not to die. I'd say if her claim is real she should die tonight. Oh wait. i'm not a scum strongman, but vanilla town. So there's no reason to kill her if there is one lol.
So, yeah. Town's kind of fucked. Maybe?

Anyway best of Luck.

I thought taylor was supertown but Shelly play has been really scummy I suggest you look at her super closely tommorrow since she drove my wagon almost as hard as GEF did and he was the one with the fake guilty on me.

Oh, thanks for hesitating Gyphx and at least doing the right thing here and not immediately buying into his bullshit which is really the best statement I can make here.

You guys can turn this around, but you need to work at it, since you're gunna have a bunch of inactive people alive tomorrow and like, 2 actives. Most likely you're just gunna get rail roaded into a loss based on your play today.
Please don't do that.
I hate losing.

This may be dumb but I am wondering whether bell is totally unable to spell the name of the person he just nightkilled lol

I mean you seem pretty locked on BEF scum but like, town has to have *some* investigative this game, and the fruit vendor actually makes sense with pelican's split variant role in a game with commuters

Like if nothing else I think you need to pick a better counter-wagon than BEF imo