Mafiascum.net

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:09 pm**

That's a bit much.

I can feel the bloodlust in the air, I'm not stupid.

Everyone wants to hope and pray THIS is the game they somehow got to get revenge on the mystical scumcabd.

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:11 pm**

Hell, I think one or two people are town reading Penguin's posts but choosing to scum read me anyways.

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:13 pm**

In post 1827, unwnd wrote:I have no basis to my claims because unfortunately most russians are good players

But why is it that the consensus for seemingly good players on D1 is

Let's kill the non-russians

Why are none of you even bothering to consider that they aren't town

In post 1830, unwnd wrote:At least I'm not afraid to make a mess

In post 1832, unwnd wrote:This place is getting so sterile that you can't breathe in the air

Same shit made me replace out of TENET

I get what you're getting at but without pointing to specific players this is just tinfoil. And when you do point to players, I don't really agree with what you are seeing.

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:16 pm**

I am feeling better about just killing Titus

2278 is bad

VOTE: Titus

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:19 pm**

In post 2271, Snarky Fishes wrote:
In post 2252, Snarky Fishes wrote:
In post 2239, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 2237, Snarky Fishes wrote:
Spoiler: hood
how do you weigh up your certainty about titus's posts with the possibility she's mod-confirmable town?

Do you think someone who should know more than we do about the setup, how the shards work, etc., would make that fake narrative hold up? She would be pretending to know even less about the game than any townie who took a moment to skim the setup description post.

I'm not convinced she's town by a very, very long shot.

I'm weighing that against giving the time needed for her claim to resolve...or not.

Spoiler:
Honestly, I am not quite sure. That is one of the reasons she made it into my scum pile, but not the person who received my vote.

If we want to let her claim resolve itself, then that requires us to commit to powering her up. And so far, that does not seem like the direction that we are headed. Or is that something that you would want us to consider?

Spoiler:
I don't know what we'll decide to do yet. Our available mutual free time to really discuss nuts and bolts is going to be limited for the next couple days. realistically, probably limited for longer than that.

You're right that there doesn't appear to be an immediate appetite to power her up. Even if she's town, I'm not sure the tradeoffs are worth adding to the demonic count.

Spoiler:
The Guardians game, and your good solve while I was still waffling and compulsively rereading, is very much on my mind here with Titus' post that you're shining a light on. I tend to want to use the time on the clock to its fullest. Please don't do something you don't really agree with because nothing seems to be happening.

Spoiler:

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:20 pm**

In post 2300, Medea the Alien wrote:That's a bit much.

I can feel the bloodlust in the air, I'm not stupid.

Everyone wants to hope and pray THIS is the game they somehow got to get revenge on the mystical scumcabd.

That's also noted.

I think you know where I'm at.

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:21 pm**

Spoiler:

In post 1924, ManateeGal wrote:A hopefully not-so-shitty reads list

I'd bet my balls are town

sleez/unwnd
- they're not afraid to instigate or take polarizing stances. i feel like im maybe overexplaining my read on him cos it honestly boils down to i like what he has to say and i like how he engages with others. i wont act like his read on me has nothing to do with it but my positive viewpoints predate that, i guess i'd place it like a cherry on top. i like how he re-evaluated his read on luke a while ago. i also like his engagements with annie i remember. i'll go back to the quotes posts and explain probably later.

Annie Edison
- As previously mentioned I think their "want to carry town" shtick is believable and feels backed up by their actions in thread. i've liked a lot of the moments they've made admitting their insecurity or general unsureness regarding various topics. their drive feels genuine and town-motivated

I'd bet one (1) ball are town

Spiffeh
- I'm not sure how much of this read is based on being pocketed by their TR on me. Their desire to engage with people that read them as scum earlygame and frustration regarding the basis of peoples reads on them is compelling and pretty towny.

Pooky
- their earlygame agression aimed at cab is pretty towny in my opinion. i guess im inclined to read agression (even jokingly) as more towny. Later he mellowed out but theres been nothing that stuck out to me in the iso so im pretty comfortable townreading him

No balls at stake (still townreading)

HTBD
- Im more relying on gut for this one, but i especially liked their thoughts on me. their thought process on me didn't feel as postured as other ones i'll mention. i liked their mention that they're not sure how people TR them in general when they could be pointing out something they do as scum they havent done here.

LLD
- I'd like to talk to engage with her more, which is totally on me but something I will work on moving forward. I can follow most of her thought processes as town; probably bc of her posting style but despite grievances with certain opinions im inclined to townread her.

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i got to this point and realize i had 6 townreads i was varying levels of confident which wasn't what the amount i'd really like to have, but im not gonna force myself to write some shlock i dont really believe when i dont have a handle on certain slots.
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??? (need to look at + sort)

[Titus, AA9, Snarky]

Light Pretty Scum

Dunnstral
- i do not get why everyone is townreading him the way they are, i believe spiffeh expressed a similar opinion earlier. i dont buy not knowing abt the alternate maf wincon and the way he mentioned it was awkward and felt positioned. read on me feels weirdly understated given the circumstances and he hasnt weighed in on much useful recently. i feel like hes kind of coasting on townreads instead of forming any new thoughts or making engagements.

Medea
- I found myself honestly questioning what i thought of them when they talked about my townreads scumreading them and things became a lot easier after that. people i hold faith in are scumreading them and under normal circumstances that would be enough but there are quite a few things that stick out like a sore thumb for me. their reads feel clunkier then what i'd expect of them but they keep skirting around shit and its getting a little frustrating to deal with. i totally get their business but what theyre posting feels selective and less upfront then i'd like.

Ugly Dark Red Scum

Luke
- Gone are the days of using the medea vote as part of my reasoning, though i guess i could apply the logic as scumbuddies thats something for later. (sidenote - a lot of these reads are individual and i havent checked on teammate equity yet). Early game response to the FoS was weird (totally random thing i noted). I feel like he isnt presenting himself the way he was in NQN. His response to hesitance regarding him has been weird, as he kind of vaguely ackowledges something is off instead of looking for where the issue is. another thing that pinged me was his vote of me, it felt contrasted again to NQN where he made a show of explaining his thought process. i'm not seeing the same level of drive and desire to explain and analyze overall

Am I correct in saying that your scumreads are everyone who scumreads you?

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:22 pm**

In post 2305, Snarky Fishes wrote:
In post 2300, Medea the Alien wrote:That's a bit much.

I can feel the bloodlust in the air, I'm not stupid.

Everyone wants to hope and pray THIS is the game they somehow got to get revenge on the mystical scumcabd.
That's also noted.

I think you know where I'm at.

I wish I had a snarky way of saying "I wish I did but I'm not completely sure any more" but I lack one at the moment.

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:22 pm**

In post 2304, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 2271, Snarky Fishes wrote:
In post 2252, Snarky Fishes wrote:
In post 2239, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 2237, Snarky Fishes wrote:
Spoiler: hood
how do you weigh up your certainty about titus's posts with the possibility she's mod-confirmable town?

Do you think someone who should know more than we do about the setup, how the shards work, etc., would make that fake narrative hold up? She would be pretending to know even less about the game than any townie who took a moment to skim the setup description post.

I'm not convinced she's town by a very, very long shot.

I'm weighing that against giving the time needed for her claim to resolve...or not.

Spoiler:
Honestly, I am not quite sure. That is one of the reasons she made it into my scum pile, but not the person who received my vote.

If we want to let her claim resolve itself, then that requires us to commit to powering her up. And so far, that does not seem like the direction that we are headed. Or is that something that you would want us to consider?

Spoiler:
I don't know what we'll decide to do yet. Our available mutual free time to really discuss nuts and bolts is going to be limited for the next couple days. realistically, probably limited for longer than that.

You're right that there doesn't appear to be an immediate appetite to power her up. Even if she's town, I'm not sure the tradeoffs are worth adding to the demonic count.

Spoiler:
The Guardians game, and your good solve while I was still waffling and compulsively rereading, is very much on my mind here with Titus' post that you're shining a light on. I tend to want to use the time on the clock to its fullest. Please don't do something you don't really agree with because nothing seems to be happening.

Spoiler:
I am not 100% sure what you mean here

Are you saying don't vote medea (my current vote)?
Or don't vote titus unless I am sure?

Spoiler:

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:25 pm**

I see that a read list was posted from Medea

I'm reading before that point right now where LLD is pushing Medea: I want to say I might be at Lukewarm > Medea in my reads after reconsideration, and I hesitate to follow Medea onto Luke.

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:26 pm**

In post 2306, Dunnstral wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 1924, ManateeGal wrote:A hopefully not-so-shitty reads list

I'd bet my balls are town

sleez/unwnd
- they're not afraid to instigate or take polarizing stances. i feel like im maybe overexplaining my read on him cos it honestly boils down to i like what he has to say and i like how he engages with others. i wont act like his read on me has nothing to do with it but my positive viewpoints predate that, i guess i'd place it like a cherry on top. i like how he re-evaluated his read on luke a while ago. i also like his engagements with annie i remember. i'll go back to the quotes posts and explain probably later.

Annie Edison
- As previously mentioned I think their "want to carry town" shtick is believable and feels backed up by their actions in thread. i've liked a lot of the moments they've made admitting their insecurity or general unsureness regarding various topics. their drive feels genuine and town-motivated

I'd bet one (1) ball are town

Spiffeh
- I'm not sure how much of this read is based on being pocketed by their TR on me. Their desire to engage with people that read them as scum earlygame and frustration regarding the basis of peoples reads on them is compelling and pretty towny.

Pooky
- their earlygame agression aimed at cab is pretty towny in my opinion. i guess im inclined to read agression (even jokingly) as more towny. Later he mellowed out but theres been nothing that stuck out to me in the iso so im pretty comfortable townreading him

No balls at stake (still townreading)

HTBD
- Im more relying on gut for this one, but i especially liked their thoughts on me. their thought process on me didn't feel as postured as other ones i'll mention. i liked their mention that they're not sure how people TR them in general when they could be pointing out something they do as scum they havent done here.

LLD
- I'd like to talk to engage with her more, which is totally on me but something I will work on moving forward. I can follow most of her thought processes as town; probably bc of her posting style but despite grievances with certain opinions im inclined to townread her.

----------------
i got to this point and realize i had 6 townreads i was varying levels of confident which wasn't what the amount i'd really like to have, but im not gonna force myself to write some shlock i dont really believe when i dont have a handle on certain slots.
----------------

??? (need to look at + sort)

[Titus, AA9, Snarky]

Light Pretty Scum

Dunnstral
- i do not get why everyone is townreading him the way they are, i believe spiffeh expressed a similar opinion earlier. i dont buy not knowing abt the alternate maf wincon and the way he mentioned it was awkward and felt positioned. read on me feels weirdly understated given the circumstances and he hasnt weighed in on much useful recently. i feel like hes kind of coasting on townreads instead of forming any new thoughts or making engagements.

Medea
- I found myself honestly questioning what i thought of them when they talked about my townreads scumreading them and things became a lot easier after that. people i hold faith in are scumreading them and under normal circumstances that would be enough but there are quite a few things that stick out like a sore thumb for me. their reads feel clunkier then what i'd expect of them but they keep skirting around shit and its getting a little frustrating to deal with. i totally get their business but what theyre posting feels selective and less upfront then i'd like.

Ugly Dark Red Scum

Luke
- Gone are the days of using the medea vote as part of my reasoning, though i guess i could apply the logic as scumbuddies thats something for later. (sidenote - a lot of these reads are individual and i havent checked on teammate equity yet). Early game response to the FoS was weird (totally random thing i noted). I feel like he isnt presenting himself the way he was in NQN. His response to hesitance regarding him has been weird, as he kind of vaguely ackowledges something is off instead of looking for where the issue is. another thing that pinged me was his vote of me, it felt contrasted again to NQN where he made a show of explaining his thought process. i'm not seeing the same level of drive and desire to explain and analyze overall

Am I correct in saying that your scumreads are everyone who scumreads you?

yes

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:29 pm**

In post 2307, Medea the Alien wrote:
In post 2305, Snarky Fishes wrote:
In post 2300, Medea the Alien wrote:That's a bit much.

I can feel the bloodlust in the air, I'm not stupid.

Everyone wants to hope and pray THIS is the game they somehow got to get revenge on the mystical scumcabd.
That's also noted.

I think you know where I'm at.
I wish I had a snarky way of saying "I wish I did but I'm not completely sure any more" but I lack one at the moment.

Sounds like where I'm at.

maybe you missed the comment at the top of my snarky post.

Your words after player names in the yellow tier don't give me any sense of why they're there. A couple of them sound like full-on townreads.

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:29 pm**

Spoiler:

In post 1952, Medea the Alien wrote:This is just PA right now. You can get a more blended post from us later when we're back in the same county again.

First, I apologize that I couldn't be around last night. I feel really badly about telling people (Dragons) I wanted to talk and then ditching instead.

More useful to the game though, slogging down the Dan Ryan is surprisingly good for mulling over Reads: Why I Have Them, so here's where I am for all of you waiting so raptly:

Town

Dunnstral: He's just town to me. Aside from the mechanics understanding missing, I haven't seen a post from him that doesn't feel like it's coming from a town mindset. No attempts to ingratiate himself with others, no jumping to post opinions that others want to see from him. Measured in a way that comes from a town mindset.

AA9: This is probably the opposite of my Dunnstral read while still ending up as town. Way back in the day I got to play a lot of games with AA9. My temperament wasn't such that I usually (ever?) ended up getting pulled into her spat-fight type posting as a co-jouster, but I witnessed a lot of her play. It's...pretty much textbook town!AA9. If she managed to go on a multi-year hiatus and come back to jump into her first playing game perfectly replicating her town style as scum, well then, hats off. I'm hoping she can come in and reset from her and notscience's scenery-chewing fest and generate content elsewhere. But hard town read for me.

Annie Edison: Town read. I don't like all their content this game, but I like their in-the-moment reactions. Dropping off us and then circling back later felt like genuinely reassessing town. Dropping the elimbait AA9 fight and the way they did it, town. I'm aiming to go back and reread some of their posting with a more firm town-alignment assumption for them and see what I get from it.

Snarky Fishes: Yes, Bell, you can ride with ffery for me again. I've only skimmed a bit of what got posted last night, but I'm seeing some game-solvy stuff I like from Bell specifically (even if I think my take on Pooky is different). And having also spent some time navel-gazing about my own hydra dynamic with Cabd, I think I get what ffery is looking for, not seeing, and freaking about. I like their reachout to Lukewarm, and I like their thought processes elsewhere too. Moving on, but can elaborate more later today if asked.

Leaning Town

Spiffeh: I'm not a Spiffeh reading machine like some other players here purport to be. I've liked him more and more as the day goes on. I see him looking to engage and being...flashy? It's a lean, and I need to fully catch up and see if/what he posted last night more. P-edit: saw his 'first ten pages' thing and kind of like some of what he's seeing in hindsight. Happy with him in this tier.

Rhea: I'll start with my impression of LLD as a player overall. I don't see her as someone who has conversations with people who aren't her elim targets with the goal of having her mind changed. She engages with those people to make them believe her point of view, as town or scum. To me it probably doesn't much matter if Rhea's the one playing; I'm seeing the same kind of approach here from her. Her reachouts of 'talk to me' are 'ask me questions so I can tell you what you should be thinking.' I think I wish I was seeing more of a freely-chosen target choice more often from her here. Maybe someone else can frame this better. In terms of her alignment here, I'm leaning town but don't have anything shiny to point to in support of that. Just a 'surprised Rhea makes the plays she does here as scum' feeling.

Sleez/unwnd: I liked the Sleez posting better. Sorry? I suspect a lot of my discomfort with his play since then is because he's very much focuses on the clique thing, and for me personally the idea of being in a clique is uncomfortable and not how I want to see myself. Something I have to address internally I suppose if I opt to play any more games going forward. I don't like the framing around interacting with us as 'I do/don't trust you' because barring your own role PM or mod-confirmed info, you never fully trust someone. It's a lot of bluster about something that I don't think is very relevant to working toward game-solving as town. Having said that, I liked the independent thought from Sleez earlier on, and I appreciate the food for thought of some of his reads here.

Averaging out to Null

Pooky: I think my take on Pooky is colored by often having read his recent games either knowing his alignment or seeing his first few days of posting from a more removed point. But I'd disagree with Bell in that regard, that usually I can see where town-Pooky is pushing people toward content or doing things he can sort rather than going off into the outfield to pick daisies like he does as scum. I think he's a bit like Cabd-scum in that this can change if he sees something shiny worth doing in the main game as scum, but then it tends to be more--insular?--like the LOLMasons in that FakeGod game. I'm not seeing anything here so far that makes me think town!Pooky. That might change in a couple game days with more data, but that's where I am now.

Here There Be Dragons: I'm still at the flashes thing. I'm moving y'all up to null because a) I haven't read your overnight content and b) in my commute today amidst my navel-gazing about how my own hydra with my husband is working/not working so far, I think I have some sympathy for the dynamic of taking two people who may be quite complementary IRL and making their games mesh for the thread's consumption. I'll try to have more here later today.

Lean Scum

I'll preface this category with 'this is very mushy and I don't like how I've interacted with two of the three of these players entirely, but I also don't like how they've posted, so shrugface?'

Lukewarm: Yes, I'm leaning scummy here, but I don't want to vote here today. I don't like a lot of what I've seen, and some of that may be old-school sensibilities coming out, but I don't like that he jumped into my line of questioning at Dunnstral. I thought it was rude and unproductive for my read on him. I triple-ISO'd it and while it did end up cementing a Dunnstral town read for me, if Dunnstral had responded in a way I read as scummy I wouldn't have trusted it as much because of the derail. I'm not seeing town play here, but I want to give space and see what's generated today, plus what Lukewarm might do with actual flip data. I wasn't impressed with his reaction to the Snarky Fishes reachout yesterday; it seemed half-hearted after all the talk of wanting to be townread by ffery. IIRC it worked for ffery to read him better, and part of the 'not voting here today' thing is that I am townreading ffery and am willing to give some weight to her opinions.

ManateeGal: I'm seeing a lot of whiplash here, from an initial scummy reaction to being suspected that reads like a lot of squawky scum to trying to react 'right' to what people are saying in the thread. I'm not as happy about this read because I feel like I've been sticking my own oar in her reactions, and this is where Cabd's style really doesn't mesh with mine. I would have rather stayed mum about my interpretation of her reaction and readslist to see if she'd get there on her own instead of (relatively quickly) pointing out what I saw as a non-town mindset in her play. I feel like I've tainted my read on her, but I have a hard time seeing where I'd ever townbin her after her early play here.

Titus: Nothing in Titus's ISO feels town to me. There's a disproportionate reliance on the mechanic that I don't like on Day One, and while I make allowance for the weekend, I don't feel like there's any attempt to get into the game from a solving perspective. I don't buy the 'OMG game has so many pages' thing partially because she was quite critical of the idea of page limits in my Warehouse 13 game. To me, that implies being fine with Day One rambling on from a game perspective. She's also avoiding really mixing it up with anyone, and I don't feel like it's coming from a town place. More of a 'keep head down, shove the problem down the line, and see where I can jump later' thing that comes from a scum playbook.

VOTE: Titus

No, this isn't a fun vote, but it's where I think scum is living, and I'm more interested in cutting down scum numbers (especially since I suspect that if she's scum she isn't demonized yet) than having brilliant insights.

--PA

I was wondering about the read on me, this seems believable, though not all too hard to fake.

I don't hate your reads.

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:29 pm**

In post 2308, Snarky Fishes wrote:
In post 2304, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 2271, Snarky Fishes wrote:
In post 2252, Snarky Fishes wrote:
In post 2239, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 2237, Snarky Fishes wrote:
Spoiler: hood
how do you weigh up your certainty about titus's posts with the possibility she's mod-confirmable town?

Do you think someone who should know more than we do about the setup, how the shards work, etc., would make that fake narrative hold up? She would be pretending to know even less about the game than any townie who took a moment to skim the setup description post.

I'm not convinced she's town by a very, very long shot.

I'm weighing that against giving the time needed for her claim to resolve...or not.

Spoiler:
Honestly, I am not quite sure. That is one of the reasons she made it into my scum pile, but not the person who received my vote.

If we want to let her claim resolve itself, then that requires us to commit to powering her up. And so far, that does not seem like the direction that we are headed. Or is that something that you would want us to consider?

Spoiler:
I don't know what we'll decide to do yet. Our available mutual free time to really discuss nuts and bolts is going to be limited for the next couple days. realistically, probably limited for longer than that.

You're right that there doesn't appear to be an immediate appetite to power her up. Even if she's town, I'm not sure the tradeoffs are worth adding to the demonic count.

Spoiler:
The Guardians game, and your good solve while I was still waffling and compulsively rereading, is very much on my mind here with Titus' post that you're shining a light on. I tend to want to use the time on the clock to its fullest. Please don't do something you don't really agree with because nothing seems to be happening.

Spoiler:
I am not 100% sure what you mean here

Are you saying don't vote medea (my current vote)?
Or don't vote titus unless I am sure?

Spoiler:
I'm saying don't compromise because you think I or anyone else disagrees with you.

And also, don't think that because I'm spinning my wheels I'm never going to agree with you.

Spoiler:

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:31 pm**

In post 2310, ManateeGal wrote:
In post 2306, Dunnstral wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 1924, ManateeGal wrote:A hopefully not-so-shitty reads list

I'd bet my balls are town

sleez/unwnd
- they're not afraid to instigate or take polarizing stances. i feel like im maybe overexplaining my read on him cos it honestly boils down to i like what he has to say and i like how he engages with others. i wont act like his read on me has nothing to do with it but my positive viewpoints predate that, i guess i'd place it like a cherry on top. i like how he re-evaluated his read on luke a while ago. i also like his engagements with annie i remember. i'll go back to the quotes posts and explain probably later.

Annie Edison
- As previously mentioned I think their "want to carry town" shtick is believable and feels backed up by their actions in thread. i've liked a lot of the moments they've made admitting their insecurity or general unsureness regarding various topics. their drive feels genuine and town-motivated

I'd bet one (1) ball are town

Spiffeh
- I'm not sure how much of this read is based on being pocketed by their TR on me. Their desire to engage with people that read them as scum earlygame and frustration regarding the basis of peoples reads on them is compelling and pretty towny.

Pooky
- their earlygame agression aimed at cab is pretty towny in my opinion. i guess im inclined to read agression (even jokingly) as more towny. Later he mellowed out but theres been nothing that stuck out to me in the iso so im pretty comfortable townreading him

No balls at stake (still townreading)

HTBD
- Im more relying on gut for this one, but i especially liked their thoughts on me. their thought process on me didn't feel as postured as other ones i'll mention. i liked their mention that they're not sure how people TR them in general when they could be pointing out something they do as scum they havent done here.

LLD
- I'd like to talk to engage with her more, which is totally on me but something I will work on moving forward. I can follow most of her thought processes as town; probably bc of her posting style but despite grievances with certain opinions im inclined to townread her.

----------------
i got to this point and realize i had 6 townreads i was varying levels of confident which wasn't what the amount i'd really like to have, but im not gonna force myself to write some shlock i dont really believe when i dont have a handle on certain slots.
----------------

??? (need to look at + sort)

[Titus, AA9, Snarky]

Light Pretty Scum

Dunnstral
- i do not get why everyone is townreading him the way they are, i believe spiffeh expressed a similar opinion earlier. i dont buy not knowing abt the alternate maf wincon and the way he mentioned it was awkward and felt positioned. read on me feels weirdly understated given the circumstances and he hasnt weighed in on much useful recently. i feel like hes kind of coasting on townreads instead of forming any new thoughts or making engagements.

Medea
- I found myself honestly questioning what i thought of them when they talked about my townreads scumreading them and things became a lot easier after that. people i hold faith in are scumreading them and under normal circumstances that would be enough but there are quite a few things that stick out like a sore thumb for me. their reads feel clunkier then what i'd expect of them but they keep skirting around shit and its getting a little frustrating to deal with. i totally get their business but what theyre posting feels selective and less upfront then i'd like.

Ugly Dark Red Scum

Luke
- Gone are the days of using the medea vote as part of my reasoning, though i guess i could apply the logic as scumbuddies thats something for later. (sidenote - a lot of these reads are individual and i havent checked on teammate equity yet). Early game response to the FoS was weird (totally random thing i noted). I feel like he isnt presenting himself the way he was in NQN. His response to hesitance regarding him has been weird, as he kind of vaguely ackowledges something is off instead of looking for where the issue is. another thing that pinged me was his vote of me, it felt contrasted again to NQN where he made a show of explaining his thought process. i'm not seeing the same level of drive and desire to explain and analyze overall

Am I correct in saying that your scumreads are everyone who scumreads you?
yes

Are you comfortable with your reads coming down to that?

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:33 pm**

In post 1970, Titus wrote:
In post 1966, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:you should be more interested after the rules change than before the rules change if you're a town 1-sharder because risk/reward just took a big swing.

you feel less interested to me which feels like what a scumbag would feel cuz their win con just moved from really easily attainable to way less attainable.
That's utter bullshit you're arguing I am less interested.

I'm not sure what you mean by a 1-sharder. We should all be one-sharders.

Anyway, since my gambit caught Pooky, I will partially claim. In my demonic form, I am a friendly neighbor.

I know this group of players struggles to read me, and would eventually wagon me. So I figured I'd bait a scum to come up with a shitty reason to get on and Pooky took the bait.

This is believable

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:34 pm**

In post 2313, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 2308, Snarky Fishes wrote:
In post 2304, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 2271, Snarky Fishes wrote:
In post 2252, Snarky Fishes wrote:
In post 2239, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 2237, Snarky Fishes wrote:
Spoiler: hood
how do you weigh up your certainty about titus's posts with the possibility she's mod-confirmable town?

Do you think someone who should know more than we do about the setup, how the shards work, etc., would make that fake narrative hold up? She would be pretending to know even less about the game than any townie who took a moment to skim the setup description post.

I'm not convinced she's town by a very, very long shot.

I'm weighing that against giving the time needed for her claim to resolve...or not.

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Honestly, I am not quite sure. That is one of the reasons she made it into my scum pile, but not the person who received my vote.

If we want to let her claim resolve itself, then that requires us to commit to powering her up. And so far, that does not seem like the direction that we are headed. Or is that something that you would want us to consider?

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I don't know what we'll decide to do yet. Our available mutual free time to really discuss nuts and bolts is going to be limited for the next couple days. realistically, probably limited for longer than that.

You're right that there doesn't appear to be an immediate appetite to power her up. Even if she's town, I'm not sure the tradeoffs are worth adding to the demonic count.

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The Guardians game, and your good solve while I was still waffling and compulsively rereading, is very much on my mind here with Titus' post that you're shining a light on. I tend to want to use the time on the clock to its fullest. Please don't do something you don't really agree with because nothing seems to be happening.

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I am not 100% sure what you mean here

Are you saying don't vote medea (my current vote)?
Or don't vote titus unless I am sure?

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I'm saying don't compromise because you think I or anyone else disagrees with you.

And also, don't think that because I'm spinning my wheels I'm never going to agree with you.

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I think that I am to the point of confidently condemning Titus or Medea for day 1. Manatee has lagged behind them in confidence, but I would not feel like compromising.

Those are the people I would launch if I had thread control. But I don't, and I doubt there is any chance that ever happens this day phase. If one of the two get elimed and I am right, then maybe I could have more sway with my reads day 2. But, complete lack of thread control is leaving me to feel like I should just sheep some of my town reads

Spoiler:

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:35 pm**

In post 1993, Here There Be Dragons wrote:
In post 1970, Titus wrote:
In post 1966, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:you should be more interested after the rules change than before the rules change if you're a town 1-sharder because risk/reward just took a big swing.

you feel less interested to me which feels like what a scumbag would feel cuz their win con just moved from really easily attainable to way less attainable.
That's utter bullshit you're arguing I am less interested.

I'm not sure what you mean by a 1-sharder. We should all be one-sharders.

Anyway, since my gambit caught Pooky, I will partially claim. In my demonic form, I am a friendly neighbor.

I know this group of players struggles to read me, and would eventually wagon me. So I figured I'd bait a scum to come up with a shitty reason to get on and Pooky took the bait.
I dont understand:
-how this is a gambit
-how this being a gambit meshes with 1965

Explain?

Yeah it's not really a gambit; I believe the claim itself

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:35 pm**

In post 2311, Snarky Fishes wrote:
In post 2307, Medea the Alien wrote:
In post 2305, Snarky Fishes wrote:
In post 2300, Medea the Alien wrote:That's a bit much.

I can feel the bloodlust in the air, I'm not stupid.

Everyone wants to hope and pray THIS is the game they somehow got to get revenge on the mystical scumcabd.
That's also noted.

I think you know where I'm at.
I wish I had a snarky way of saying "I wish I did but I'm not completely sure any more" but I lack one at the moment.
Sounds like where I'm at.

maybe you missed the comment at the top of my snarky post.

Your words after player names in the yellow tier don't give me any sense of why they're there. A couple of them sound like full-on townreads.

They do, do they? Probably because in another world they could be.

...Why are we even snarking at each other, this is stupid. I'm going the fuck to sleep, it's nearly midnight.

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:36 pm**

@snarky
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i think youre oversimplifying it but im pretty ok with my reads right now.

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:36 pm**

In post 2318, Medea the Alien wrote:
In post 2311, Snarky Fishes wrote:
In post 2307, Medea the Alien wrote:
In post 2305, Snarky Fishes wrote:
In post 2300, Medea the Alien wrote:That's a bit much.

I can feel the bloodlust in the air, I'm not stupid.

Everyone wants to hope and pray THIS is the game they somehow got to get revenge on the mystical scumcabd.
That's also noted.

I think you know where I'm at.
I wish I had a snarky way of saying "I wish I did but I'm not completely sure any more" but I lack one at the moment.
Sounds like where I'm at.

maybe you missed the comment at the top of my snarky post.

Your words after player names in the yellow tier don't give me any sense of why they're there. A couple of them sound like full-on townreads.
They do, do they? Probably because in another world they could be.

...Why are we even snarking at each other, this is stupid. I'm going the fuck to sleep, it's nearly midnight.

What is it about this world that prevents that?

And ffs I've been waiting for over 48 hours for you dream-read.

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:38 pm**

In post 2319, ManateeGal wrote:@snarky
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i think youre oversimplifying it but im pretty ok with my reads right now.

Am I oversimplifying? I asked the question because your reply to Dunn was a simple "yes".

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:40 pm**

oh i just dont know how else i wouldve responded to the question. i dont think i outlined my reads as being based on others scumreads of me

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:41 pm**

In post 2320, Snarky Fishes wrote:And ffs I've been waiting for over 48 hours for you dream-read.

If I could put it into words more than "he just feels off" I would have.

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:42 pm**

In post 2323, Medea the Alien wrote:
In post 2320, Snarky Fishes wrote:And ffs I've been waiting for over 48 hours for you dream-read.
If I could put it into words more than "he just feels off" I would have.

Arceus knows my wife has been encouraging me to reread him and try to conceptualize it into words, she feels let down because SHE has reasons and I'm just kind of over here with feels.

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