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In post 2295, Ausuka wrote:

In post 2289, DeasVail wrote:And I actually am reading it as town because I think it would feel pretty awkward saying that as scum. I think scum would feel like they are PROTESTING too much.

that was me and i did indeed feel like he's protesting too much

maybe i'm just like too surface level, but i don't really think the read makes much sense from a genuine mindset because scum flake out all the time

pedit: if i had to guess he's probably eating humans

yeah I think that's a reasonable take

I guess my view is that the only reason Dann-scum would post that would be because he thought it would make him look town, and my leaning is that he as scum wouldn't have actually thought that.
But I'm also not convinced by my reasoning.

In post 2299, Nero Cain wrote:Why post a readslist and then say you need to do ISOs?

Structuring reads helps give me a starting point from which I can adjust them according to new information/review of previous posts.

Otherwise it's all just mush and I get lost in my head.

I guess I could not post my draft reads list, but I felt like posting it at the time

In post 2278, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 2276, marcistar wrote:

In post 2274, DeasVail wrote:[Gamma, Marci, Conman]

im not scum

In post 2277, marcistar wrote:

In post 2275, Ausuka wrote:DV talk to me about Marci please I am townreading her right now

why do u tr me even LMAO im living my best life!!

???

I don't think this is that unusual

In post 2302, DeasVail wrote:

In post 2278, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 2276, marcistar wrote:

In post 2274, DeasVail wrote:[Gamma, Marci, Conman]

im not scum

In post 2277, marcistar wrote:

In post 2275, Ausuka wrote:DV talk to me about Marci please I am townreading her right now

why do u tr me even LMAO im living my best life!!

???

I don't think this is that unusual

can u vote gamma too

slau!!

@datisi vote gamma

VOTE: gamma wagon is go!

YES SLAU!

In post 2297, marcistar wrote:

In post 2295, Ausuka wrote:

In post 2289, DeasVail wrote:And I actually am reading it as town because I think it would feel pretty awkward saying that as scum. I think scum would feel like they are PROTESTING too much.

that was me and i did indeed feel like he's protesting too much

maybe i'm just like too surface level, but i don't really think the read makes much sense from a genuine mindset because scum flake out all the time

pedit: if i had to guess he's probably eating humans

can u vote gamma

no

In post 2308, Ausuka wrote:

In post 2297, marcistar wrote:

In post 2295, Ausuka wrote:

In post 2289, DeasVail wrote:And I actually am reading it as town because I think it would feel pretty awkward saying that as scum. I think scum would feel like they are PROTESTING too much.

that was me and i did indeed feel like he's protesting too much

maybe i'm just like too surface level, but i don't really think the read makes much sense from a genuine mindset because scum flake out all the time

pedit: if i had to guess he's probably eating humans

can u vote gamma

no

please?

i could vote gamma

but i won't because i don't scumread her

please do it i promise itll be worth it!!

whats in it for me...

scum (gamma) dying

if gamma isnt scum we can kill me next

why is gamma scum

you seem unusually confident, marci

bcuz i said so

hold on lemme get to work first and then ill rock ur world!!

For me the deciding factor is multiple instances where Gamma has posted in such a way that is displaying outrage/disbelief in response to a certain/person event that is actually benign to the point where I struggle to believe that she can feel so passionate about it.

798

2111 through 2114

And more recently the ??? at marci

gamma does that, like, all the time though

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13433572

this is the first thing that comes to mind from a game we played together and were both town

nice Halloween costume, T3

In post 2318, Ausuka wrote:gamma does that, like, all the time though

I don't have the luxury of having played multiple recent games with gamma, but from games I am aware it matches my impression of scum-gamma more than town-gamma. If there are equivalent examples of gamma-town doing it I would be willing to reevaluate.

PEdit: thanks for the link, but it is not quite an example of what I mean

maybe i don't understand what you mean then? shrug. i just know i often feel like gamma is reacting to something somewhat disproportionately from what i'd expect

I'm finding it pretty hard to be invested in this game because of the long weekend in the US, but I'm going to raise a few points about GuiltyLion that kind of bug me. This is far from a comprehensive analysis of his ISO, but I need to force myself to be involved here otherwise I'll just end up not logging in all weekend.


I'll say I started off the game kind of being OK with GL. I didn't mind his pushes on scamper and FB, and I could at least understand where he was coming from there. But as the game has progressed, I've found the things he's pushing to be quite nonsensical and filled with busy work.

As an example:

In post 1409, GuiltyLion wrote:like specifically, he's the one who brought up the idea of a shitfight with Nero to begin with. Then when Nero was like "actually why aren't you fighting with me", his response was "cause that's what I would do if I were scum, and I'm not scum". idk if I'm effectively communicating the point, but it just feels like comments weren't meant to do anything other than imply that his play is town

This is such a nonsense point he is trying to even make. The person who got freaking OUTRAGED that I asked a clarifying question about who he was referring to (1214 is around the end of this argument for those who need refreshing) is trying to use a clear joke as a shade point against me. It just doesn't make sense when he thinks its so fake for me to not understand him, but then he can't comprehend jokes. Give me a fucking break. He's either town who is way over committed to a scum!VP worldview and is trying to score cheap points, or he's scum. I have a hard time believing the former considering I had to goad him about not actually being willing to vote me without cover of a wagon.

In post 2034, GuiltyLion wrote:i'm not personally really townreading but a number of my townreads are and I'm currently ok with that: {dv, marci, xofelf}

would yeet: {dann, conman, firebringer, vpb}

This is an absolute trash reads list, imo. DV looks pretty town to me this game. Marci seems pretty townie, though she's opaque sometimes. xofelf is probably null to town lean for me. Dann and conman I've talked about already. FB did look scummy to me early on, so I can agree there. And I'm town.

So like, where's the beef in this reads list? Unless I'm so dead wrong on my reads at the start of this game, I have trouble seeing how people see this list from GL as credibly a good take from someone who has been HIGHLY engaged with the game so far.

In post 2050, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 2046, fireisredsir wrote:i think this could be following the same trajectory as turing test here where i kinda lowkey scumread GL for most of d1 and then it gets to eod and he summarizes his reads and oops turns out we agree on almost everything maybe he's just town

can you give me like the top liner for why you're voting CMM instead of Dann? I'm considering switching but kinda want to see what Dann does on return

And the last thing that really bugs me about GL is the constant looking for cover from other players. I've made this point already, and GL says "well I do this as town"...which means absolutely nothing. That's an easy meta thing to exploit and duplicate as scum so you take no responsibility for anything that happens.

The extremely hedgy "I'm considering switching" just reads like he's testing the waters with fire here to see what they think before actually making a move. It's gross and doesn't have town vibes to me.

In that situation, if I'm actually unsure of what to do, I might ask a more direct question, like: "Hey fire, I think CMM is scummy for XYZ, but I'm unsure if I'm over analyzing that. I"d like your opinion." Instead, we get a trial balloon floated.



Datisi, I'd be curious to hear what you find townie about GL since you said that's your read there. What am I missing?