Mini Normal 2283 - Game Over!

[Elements]

i can do that if you want

[Grib]

Sorry, just realised I still haven't explained that clearly. I was hoping Elements would be forced to explain why Titus was "the most confirmably town" before I said anything. From my perspective somebody had to blink first.

Fair.

[Elements]

JOAT with confirmable night actions e.g. mailman message so at the very least from your perspective Titus has a role if not alignment conformation
the set-up isn't:
3 macho masons + doc + VT VS Roleblocker + JOAT + goon

[Elements]

so there's like no way Titus is scum and Frog town here I don;t think

[Frogsterking]

I thought titus/eira were a vt trying to bait the night shot, now that they've claimed joat I could swap one of Grib or Enchant out for Titus.

[Elements]

can JOATs use multiple abilities in the same night?

[Frogsterking]

can JOATs use multiple abilities in the same night?

If they have multi acting yeah. I don't see that very frequently though

[Frogsterking]

JOAT with confirmable night actions e.g. mailman message so at the very least from your perspective Titus has a role if not alignment conformation
the set-up isn't:
3 macho masons + doc + VT VS Roleblocker + JOAT + goon

so there's like no way Titus is scum and Frog town here I don;t think

Come again?

[Elements]

that's just seems ridiculously unbalanced no?

[Elements]

oh snap we have a vog too

[Elements]

ignore me

[Grib]

VOTE: Enchant

[Aisa]

I wasn't talking about Titus at all. Why do you think it's me and Elements?

Actually, I take that back. Forget about me, tell me about Elements.

I'm pleasantly surprised that you're this cooperative with someone you scumread by the way, but it is nice.

PoE? Imagine that I think Enchant is Town, Frog is probably Town. That leaves you, Titus, and Elements, and *gestures vaguely to reasons*

You should probably talk about Enchant too. I don't think you've actually justified a townread on him.

Ugh, fair, but how do I explain vibes? The way he's hung around at deadline, shown interest in the game and in achieving good mechanical outcomes seems towny. You could argue some of that is signalling, I think that Enchant obviously understands to no lim here today as both alignments. The stuff yesterday where he told Bella that she

had to

hammer, though? That's not a post Enchant has to make as scum. I think this is a slot where a simple, naive read like this is actually enough?

[Aisa]

JOAT with confirmable night actions e.g. mailman message so at the very least from your perspective Titus has a role if not alignment conformation
the set-up isn't:
3 macho masons + doc + VT VS Roleblocker + JOAT + goon

I'll give you that's actually a fairly believable analysis, but the complex vig starts looking a lot less like dead weight in this setup?

3 macho masons + doc + complex vig + VT
Roleblocker + JOAT + goon

Also it kind of depends on what you assume the JOAT's abilities are.

[Grib]

Nah. He said so himself.

i mean i like enchant, from the little we've interacted so : P I want an answer for why Enchant is on Asia, but i'm ok if folk aren't as active day ones..... the one doesn't cancel the other, and me liking enchant doesn't mean i'm not holding open the possibility that they're scum.... they're pretty much null to me, but i want them to peek in and change my mind >.>

I ask simply because my understanding of enchant's meta is that when they're not doing anything they're way more likely to be scum.

I don't have meta

I am same idiot as both alignments, just more informed as maf

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[Grib]

Where does he show he cares about achieving good mechanical outcomes? What's the significance of telling Bella to hammer that has to come from a villager?

If you reread the game from a Grib/Elements/BBT perspective, does the game flow naturally? Does the team fit? Have you even reread the game with that team in mind, or are you just like "welp here are the leftovers, die die die"

[Grib]

I really do want to know why Elements is scum beyond being a leftover name. Look at her play over the course of the game and tell me what she was thinking as BBT's buddy, and how she ended up doing the things she did.

[Grib]

And I'm not asking you to like, analyze every single word uttered by her. Just like, the big picture things. Key moments in the game, or posts of hers that jump out at you.

[Aisa]

He may not think he doesn't have a meta, that doesn't mean he doesn't have one. You've also said that he "seems towny" at points and you must have been going off something, what was that?

But I give it to you, you have a rhetorical point if nothing else. This is miselim or lose! We ought not to throw around reads carelessly! Rigour!

I did some Enchant meta research a few days ago, but never got around to writing it up until now.

It turns out during Days 1-2 I was misremembering the Enchant meta tell that I was told about. I thought the meta tell was that Enchant posts less as scum. It turns out that the meta tell is that Enchant sounds kinda lifeless and more dry as scum, a bit like the text equivalent of an empty laugh.

Some Enchy scum games:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=89712
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=89536
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=89510

Some Enchy town games:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=89608
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=89965

I should probably acknowledge that Gamma is the one who noticed the tell.

Which meta do people think Enchant's tone is closer to in this game?

I also made a whole post about Enchant meta yesterday. No one picked me up on my question and then I either forgot to follow up on it or didn't care to, whoops. But, uh, maybe you can see why I don't think I'm going to be convinced to move by a "No, Enchant himself said he doesn't have a meta".

Although uh, I have to give it to you, I thought I said Enchant was town at the time I made that post, I actually decided to see how people reacted first, so you're right that I haven't justified my read much.

P-edit yes I can talk about all that

[Frogsterking]

I was considering flipping my read on Grib until his most recent string of posts

[Frogsterking]

VOTE: Enchant

Is this distancing or does Grib really want to take down Enchant?

[Grib]

Did I stutter?

[Frogsterking]

ignore me

You did make me realize though that unless Titus is multiacting they couldn't have rolestopped/roleblocked AND mailed in the same night

[Grib]

Also, I almost got voted out last phase, with Enchant happily encouraging people to vote me. And you think we're buddies?

[Frogsterking]

Also, I almost got voted out last phase, with Enchant happily encouraging people to vote me. And you think we're buddies?

I was considering that it was distancing yeah