Discussion on Mollie putting a collar and leash on Jiffy ....
Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 4:15 pm
by RachMarie
uh oh SORRY BORK
Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 4:15 pm
by Venmar
Nacho being accepted into a town bloc probably means he is town.
I would appreciate if Majiffy and Mollie could sign their posts for BnB. Would help me personally.
Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 4:17 pm
by RachMarie
how can you not tell them apart its easy
Jiffy is more grammatically correct and more abrasive
Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 4:25 pm
by BeautyAndTheBeast
In post 2321, Cabd wrote:I'm not saying you're scum, I just... ugh i don't even know this just seems so wrong. You're accusing 2 super hard, and then not even allowing 2 to even be able to respond to your case, because you say the mod won't let you actually state it.
So then I guess the best followup question I can give you is this:
Are you so sure that 2 is scum to the point that you'd willingly jump off a cliff if 2 flipped town?
If your conviction is THAT strong, then I will respect that.
I feel pretty strongly about it. in fact I will say YES.
I want to discuss it with nacho. it is my nature to doubt my reads and question them but I feel pretty good about this one. I have questioned it and looked at it from all angles and yes, I feel pretty confident about this read.
I feel confident about my read on aj as well. feeling good about my town reads too.
@ rach
yeah to cabd
eta: no rach, core town bloc is us/nacho/orc/mac
I have you, rev and varsoon there too and so does nacho I think. not sure how orc and mac feel.
-mollie
Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 4:27 pm
by BeautyAndTheBeast
hi venny!
also where is guy he was posting in his other games earlier
I feel pretty strongly about it. in fact I will say YES.
I want to discuss it with nacho. it is my nature to doubt my reads and question them but I feel pretty good about this one. I have questioned it and looked at it from all angles and yes, I feel pretty confident about this read.
-mollie[/quote]
Okay. Talk to nacho, confirm it, because I won't sign up to that wagon until I'm sure that you're sure. It's nothing personal mind you. I just really don't want to rush into this. What do you/nacho have on AJ/2 that you CAN tell us?
@bork can you at least confirm that you did in fact tell BB/Nacho they could not post a certain amount of information?
I want to discuss it with nacho. it is my nature to doubt my reads and question them but I feel pretty good about this one. I have questioned it and looked at it from all angles and yes, I feel pretty confident about this read.
-mollie
Okay. Talk to nacho, confirm it, because I won't sign up to that wagon until I'm sure that you're sure. It's nothing personal mind you. I just really don't want to rush into this. What do you/nacho have on AJ/2 that you CAN tell us?
@bork can you at least confirm that you did in fact tell BB/Nacho they could not post a certain amount of information?
In post 2333, Cabd wrote:bork can you at least confirm that you did in fact tell BB/Nacho they could not post a certain amount of information?
I will not comment on such a scenario.
The rules should clarify lines of communication that are considered inappropriate topics for in-game conversation. Any hypothetical ruling I give to someone about what they may or not talk about would simply be a restatement, clarification, or interpretation of those rules.
Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 4:42 pm
by Venmar
I'm getting some random love
So far pretty solid town read on Nacho, gut town read on Mac, and leaning on town on Andrius based on a very quick ISO.
Not much else on anybody else.
- Andy ( or anyone else ) how do you stand on Rach? Getting a slight gut scumread on her.
Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 4:42 pm
by GuyInFreezer
@Rev
Did you read my explanation why varsoon is town?
In post 2333, Cabd wrote:bork can you at least confirm that you did in fact tell BB/Nacho they could not post a certain amount of information?
I will not comment on such a scenario.
The rules should clarify lines of communication that are considered inappropriate topics for in-game conversation. Any hypothetical ruling I give to someone about what they may or not talk about would simply be a restatement, clarification, or interpretation of those rules.
That's what I thought.
Noted.
Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 4:58 pm
by ²
Cabd, I owe you some thanks for pressing for clarity because it's really brought home to me absurdity of this fogbank of a case on us that mollie has been pushing.
- f
Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 5:00 pm
by Cabd
In post 2333, Cabd wrote:What do you/nacho have on AJ/2 that you CAN tell us?
This was directed at you, beauty.
Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 5:19 pm
by Andrius
Venmar wrote: - Andy ( or anyone else ) how do you stand on Rach? Getting a slight gut scumread on her.
First game with her, interesting to watch. If people hadn't been calling this meta all day, I'd be reading way harder scum on her. She's passable town for now.
Sorry dear, I missed your response; getting to that now.
Ghostlin still town.
GiF read weakening.
Cabd will have to be read in more detail.
Yeah, something about town mindset. I disagree. It was a messy gambit. It can easily be noob scum making a hash of something he saw in one of his earlier games.
But his #2253, while appealing to emotion, does seem like a genuinely frustrated townie. If that's a scum post, it's very fucking good. That's why I've backed off varsoon.
I think MS is scum though. Him demanding I back off varsoon is still sitting badly with me. I don't see the pro-town reasons for wanting someone to back off a town read. How can he be so sure varsoon is town?
I can see scum motivation for it though. Let's say I succeed in getting varsoon lynched... who looks good for trying to stop the wagon? It's basic scum strat, but in the total absence of any town motivation, this is what I'm leaning.
Hi venmar.
Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 5:49 pm
by Cabd
Let me be clear.
I'm not saying 2 is reading town in my book. It's still leaning scum because despite the answer I think the 4 thing was a slip.
However. I'll be damned if I lynch ANYONE on "evidence" that doesn't fucking exist.
I figured out what I was feeling a few posts ago. The word I was searching for was "unethical"
It is unethical as fuck to push a lynch on "illegal" evidence that you can't even speak about.
As far as I'm concerned, until you (BB) and nacho present the other parts of the case, you have no case.
P-Edit: Rev I like this direction, let's go there.
Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 6:28 pm
by GuyInFreezer
@Rev: well considering that Varsoon once quickhammered to line up the lynch as TOWN, his "messy gambit" doesn't bother as much. (The same game that you linked. Newb1339.)
MS I have him as town atm and he's very lazy as town. He's one of those who doesn't play "normally."
These are fairly recentish I did not post ALL my completed games....
Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 3:01 am
by GuyInFreezer
also rev I know you townread on varsoon but are you still curious why I see him as town?
Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 3:45 am
by Aj The Epic
Hi Venmar.
Recap of this game probably looks like:
2/Aj constant suspects
TMT is scum but no one wants to lynch for some reason. (Had 8 null reads in his one read list)
GIF is town without question
Rev claimed miller/tracker early on in the thread
Varsoon is trolling. Came up with a strategy that almost got people modkilled. Luckily, people actually have played this game before.
Rach is also trolling. But apparently town.
Andrisu and BRO seem to be incredibly busy and so most of their stuff is catch-up posting
Orc, Nacho, BnB, 2 posted way too much early on. 2 still posts way too much.
Cabd is almost certainly town (based on a few townslips)
Majiffy may get leashed by mollie
Metal Sonic has an infamous 2 minute iso of Tiphlaine Death. We're trying to get him to admit he didn't read anything. (he also "read" 30 pages in 15 minutes)
Buldermar (part of 2) posted the first wall he's ever posted (I guess)
In actual game events, we only have 1 claim (Sven/Rev's) which caused a lot of discussion. He claimed Miller first and 10 pages later added tracker. On switch-in, Rev only claimed Miller. Later admitted to full claim being true, said he didn't want to full claim his power role even though he expected to get lynched. Something about "Oh trackers are useless anyways..."