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So what useful association should I get from Chess' ISO? Niether me or Mara are scum reading NBH so it seems really odd how you blurt out "Chess likely confirms NBH"

I know that we're town and, if you are town, then you should know you are town. So it seems strange when you tell AJ that "we are unlikely to be buddies" when you should know that we aren't. So to me, using the phrase "highly unlikely" seems really odd.

And yet you still didn't ISO chesskid, otherwise the logic behind that statement would be clear.

1) I know I am town.
2) However, AJ doesn't know either of our roles. So I am putting the facts to him as he should be able to deduce.

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Nero: I don't feel we'll really get anything useful from Chess' ISO

Titus: That means you didn't ISO him!!!

I really don't understand how that works so I'll ask again, what useful interaction do you think that the town should get from Chess' ISO?

In post 2317, Aj The Epic wrote:

In post 2310, Amrun wrote:Who do you scumread?

Sugar Cain
Mastin
Titus
Metal Sonic

This is a really amazingly good post

In post 2319, Titus wrote:

In post 2315, Sugar Cain wrote:

In post 2313, Titus wrote:Getting lucky doesn't mean it was right. Associations are better done with dead scum. Yet you don't seem keen on that analysis.

Well guess what? We don't have any dead scum yet.

So chesskid3 wasn't scum?

VOTE: Sugar Cain

@Aj, Common sense says i is highly unlikely Sugar and I are scum together.

Yo this vote sucks. That was a blatant town slip

In post 2290, Sugar Cain wrote:I decided that Elli is probably town because Thor wanted to sheep Nero onto Eli, probably using his eventual town-flip to incriminate us in the next day phase. That isn't going to happen

I still am amazed I can't get a wagon on you.

In post 2296, Sugar Cain wrote:not really well thought out, and not much done outside of trying to talk with him, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have legit points and that others can't read it and see what exactly I think about him. I mean, He doesn't even really address it in his response post? not adequately I don't think, he just says Yes, or no. The concerns here are legit, and stuff I don't think cross a townie's mind at all

I did address it.
Then you didn't address my addressing, so...?
Frankly you've avoided a lot of stuff I've pointed out about you too (because it's dead-on accurate, one suspects).

In post 2299, Amrun wrote:The only point I particularly care about is that he "sheeped" Nero onto Elli, but a) I don't agree that's how it went down, b) I don't think that's particularly odd in this gamestate, as we've discussed.

Also, while we're at it, my "sheep" ran away from the wagon once it got any steam.
Y'know, just saying.

In post 2299, Amrun wrote:In fact, picking on Matt is probably a town tell. Thor is very capable of appearing town, and he just blatantly doesn't care how he looks. He's town.

Couldn't I just be faking that though knowing people would take it as a town tell?
I mean, is that the basis of your take on me, when I 'care' I'm scum and when I 'don't care' I'm town?

In post 2319, Titus wrote:

In post 2315, Sugar Cain wrote:

In post 2313, Titus wrote:Getting lucky doesn't mean it was right. Associations are better done with dead scum. Yet you don't seem keen on that analysis.

Well guess what? We don't have any dead scum yet.

So chesskid3 wasn't scum?

VOTE: Sugar Cain

I almost want to call that a town tell though, seriously, who forgets they had a scumbuddy who is dead?

In post 2329, Desperado wrote:Yo this vote sucks. That was a blatant town slip

Is it though, as I sit debating it - who is town and forgets there's a dead scum that can be mined for info?
Why do you think it isn't just a derp tell?

In post 2329, Desperado wrote:

In post 2319, Titus wrote:

In post 2315, Sugar Cain wrote:

In post 2313, Titus wrote:Getting lucky doesn't mean it was right. Associations are better done with dead scum. Yet you don't seem keen on that analysis.

Well guess what? We don't have any dead scum yet.

So chesskid3 wasn't scum?

VOTE: Sugar Cain

@Aj, Common sense says i is highly unlikely Sugar and I are scum together.

Yo this vote sucks. That was a blatant town slip

Super fakeable, or just non-alignment-indicative brain farting

OGML is just so funny. I wish you weren't a claimed vig.

OGML is just so funny. I wish you weren't a claimed vig.

Why because otherwise I'd be an easy mislynch?

no, so your dumbass wouldn't waste a bullet by shooting us.

In post 2336, Sugar Cain wrote:no, so your dumbass wouldn't waste a bullet by shooting us.

You seem awful worried about this despite my very straightforward interactions with Sangres concerning who I'll be shooting tonight

@Thor, I should have sheeped you sooner. A guy focused on associations (the so called association between me and AJ) doesn't forget to ISO dead scum. If he does forget then he'd do the ISO. Sugar Cain has been focused on lynching me for far too long to the near exclusion of others.

Yeah, I think you hit a nice point there, it does show a disassociation in his claimed scumhunting method, which is usually indicative of scum.
I don't think the tunneling is particularly telling one way or the other though - he's probably been focused on me for about as much time. The lack of logic within his own claimed framework is more telling.

In post 2327, Sugar Cain wrote:.....................

Nero: I don't feel we'll really get anything useful from Chess' ISO

Titus: That means you didn't ISO him!!!

I really don't understand how that works so I'll ask again, what useful interaction do you think that the town should get from Chess' ISO?

Chesskid only mentioned Dgb by name. He posted a lot with no content. He did a reactionary fos on Brains. That isn't something I would expect him to do if they were both indeed scum Day 1. Therefore,Brains is likely town.

Hrm...
Thor, could you give me any reads you have?
Besides the obvious Elli and Sugar deathtunnel you have. Do you have a preference over who gets lynched?

In post 2340, Titus wrote:

In post 2327, Sugar Cain wrote:.....................

Nero: I don't feel we'll really get anything useful from Chess' ISO

Titus: That means you didn't ISO him!!!

I really don't understand how that works so I'll ask again, what useful interaction do you think that the town should get from Chess' ISO?

Chesskid only mentioned Dgb by name. He posted a lot with no content. He did a reactionary fos on Brains. That isn't something I would expect him to do if they were both indeed scum Day 1. Therefore,Brains is likely town.

ok....but I wasn't scumreading Brains so why do you care so much about pointing out Brains town?

He also did mention Eli and Dan by name. So your whole "Chess only mentioned DGB by name" is false.

but if you think that we don't get any scum reads by association off of his ISO then why are you fussing at me about getting associative tells off of Chess?

but I'm scumreading Eli and Chess did mention him so maybe.

In post 2340, Titus wrote:

In post 2327, Sugar Cain wrote:.....................

Nero: I don't feel we'll really get anything useful from Chess' ISO

Titus: That means you didn't ISO him!!!

I really don't understand how that works so I'll ask again, what useful interaction do you think that the town should get from Chess' ISO?

Chesskid only mentioned Dgb by name. He posted a lot with no content. He did a reactionary fos on Brains. That isn't something I would expect him to do if they were both indeed scum Day 1. Therefore,Brains is likely town.

and there are other, far better, more accurate ways to read Brains this game. Chess's Iso doesn't really have much, other than partner WIFOM that we don't know if he will or won't do.

His Iso is meaningless, there really isn't a reason for us to Iso him at all.

and you're calling us scum because we are making associations, while not looking at near meaningless ones of the dead flipped scum?

You're probably town, but jesus christ, Your attacks are WIFOM, your defenses are WIFOM, You're being egotistical, saying scum had to be on your wagon and that you are trying to figure out which ones are scum and you don't even take into consideration that, most of the votes that were piled onto you were due to the fact that, people thought your slot could be scummy and it was a pretty big annoyance/noise maker in this game when we need noise to be reduced.

In post 2330, Thor665 wrote:

In post 2290, Sugar Cain wrote:I decided that Elli is probably town because Thor wanted to sheep Nero onto Eli, probably using his eventual town-flip to incriminate us in the next day phase. That isn't going to happen

I still am amazed I can't get a wagon on you.

It's probably a part of my charm. You were there when it took me for fucking ever to get a wagon built on me in Mafiableh right?

You're still scum though, which is what makes you different from Titus

~Sugar

In post 2339, Thor665 wrote:Yeah, I think you hit a nice point there, it does show a disassociation in his claimed scumhunting method, which is usually indicative of scum.

????

Titus doesn't even think we can find Chess' scumbuddies from his ISO, so I don't know why she thinks I should. I don't that makes any sense. I also don't see how he thinks I haven't ISO'd Chess before so w/e.

In post 2339, Thor665 wrote:Yeah, I think you hit a nice point there, it does show a disassociation in his claimed scumhunting method, which is usually indicative of scum.

????

Titus doesn't even think we can find Chess' scumbuddies from his ISO, so I don't know why she thinks I should. I don't that makes any sense. I also don't see how he thinks I haven't ISO'd Chess before so w/e.

I should have said FoSed by name. Misspeech. I don't care who was in Brains spot. I cate what the ISO showed.

I am fussing at you because you harp more on living associations than the dead ones. It's inconstient with your purported scumhunting. You only ISOed Chesskid after I told you what was I felt important.

Wow! I am sudenly town now after allegedly making a scum claim a few posts back.

You are repeatedly yelling at us to ignore ISOing chesskid. He didn't leave much but the endevor is far from pointless.

In post 2341, TheIrishPope wrote:Hrm...
Thor, could you give me any reads you have?

I actually did a gawdawful willing to lynch/not lynch read only a few RL days ago - go iso me.

In post 2341, TheIrishPope wrote:Besides the obvious Elli and Sugar deathtunnel you have. Do you have a preference over who gets lynched?

Besides the two people I desire to be lynched, do I have any desires for who is lynched?
Sure - not one of my town reads.
Done.

In post 2343, Sugar Cain wrote:You're being egotistical, saying scum had to be on your wagon and that you are trying to figure out which ones are scum and you don't even take into consideration that, most of the votes that were piled onto you were due to the fact that, people thought your slot could be scummy and it was a pretty big annoyance/noise maker in this game when we need noise to be reduced.

Do you think scum joined up in that action?
Or do you think it was a pure town wagon?
Because I don't get this attack at all.
It doesn't even seem to make sense as an issue.

In post 2344, Sugar Cain wrote:????

Titus doesn't even think we can find Chess' scumbuddies from his ISO, so I don't know why she thinks I should. I don't that makes any sense. I also don't see how he thinks I haven't ISO'd Chess before so w/e.

Did you or did you not ISO Chess prior to Titus asking you about it?
If so, why such a stink about him asking?
If not, why not?

Lemme rephrase that: Elli or Sugar, do you care who gets lynched today?