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Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:05 am
by Infinity 324
Maria who's scum if I'm town
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:09 am
by MariaR
In post 2257, Vedith wrote:@Slandaar - Thought process on you being obvious town please
@Maria - Can you explain your LQ scum read on day 1 for me. I believe day 2 you had him as your top scum read, correct?
Let me go back and look for the convo/quote itself but when it was around the RB/LQ fight he brought up some insane logic/thinking that I just didn't see coming from a town players thoughts and he didn't really ever change that with just asking random questions I never understood the giant tr people had on him and I would love to know why
@Rask (I forgot the others but I saw you say you tr'd LQ)
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:09 am
by MariaR
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:12 am
by Infinity 324
Maria and sland think it's me
I think it's rask
Rask thinks it's vedith
Vedith thinks it's sland
We're getting nowhere
PEdit: I townread LQ because his play was really weird from scum, scum don't usually like to make random pushes that no one will follow, and I thought he would've been scared and would've tried to appease rb during the 1v1 as scum.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:12 am
by Infinity 324
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:13 am
by Vedith
In post 2323, Raskolnikov wrote:Now, these don't actually make sense
1. If he was a mafia doc, visiting watcher gets you a very low chance of being watched (watcher won't watch themselves for obvious reasons)
2. Compared to visiting LQ, if infinity was tracked to LQ and flipped as scumdoc it would incriminate LQ, and LQ flipping scum with inf claiming doc also doesn't look good there. Yes it would risk vig shot, but doing it risks both getting caught if infinity is scum.
3. This one is just stupid.
You have infinity at super town on like faulty night logic and claim wifom logic whereas everyone else seems to be considering their read of the player himself. I don't know how you are so trusting of double doc without a strong base townread like I have there, and even in spite of me having that I still have some trouble with it.
Cute turn after I vote, btw
I don't understand where there's a turn.
He would obviously want town cred as scum, so why would he be hiding where he visits?
Your logic makes 0 sense here.
This doesn't conflict with what I have been saying at all so I'm not sure how you got a turn from this.
Discredit because I'm 100% correct I suppose?
And the reason I can accept it is because I've played enough games and been in this kind of situation to know that games are not always as simple answered as people think.
I also give Ifinity more credit than saying that he would claim doc as scum after a doc claim.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:17 am
by Infinity 324
Why didn't I claim rolestopper is the question
Don't say wine
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:17 am
by Vedith
@Maria - Just think of it properly. What I say makes complete sense with Infinity.
If that means you change your vote to me then so be it. But if you do, I want it to be clear that Infinity is not voted tomorrow
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:17 am
by MariaR
I've said it so many times
IC + 2 doctors and watcher seem over kill
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:19 am
by Infinity 324
In post 2333, MariaR wrote: I've said it so many times
IC + 2 doctors and watcher seem over kill
2 doctors helps scum though since they cc each other
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:21 am
by Vedith
In post 2333, MariaR wrote: I've said it so many times
IC + 2 doctors and watcher seem over kill
It's night 2 actions only. The balance of this is to find scum with the night actions, and if you don't then town have no powers for the rest of the game.
As I said, it's highly likely that town PR is lynched before any of these powers are used.
The fact we got scum before any powers were used is what's making this look more of an advantage that it's probability.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:23 am
by MariaR
I'm going to go over my POV right now so maybe you can get a better look into my head
If I assume both Doctor and Watcher are real that means both scum claimed VT
if IC didn't die they could of claimed day 2 or not and both doctors and watcher would of for sure been on the IC watcher is alive and reports 2 doctors visit t he IC leading to almost a cc because I don't think anyone would auto assume both docs are real it just seems quite swingy
Scum doc also makes a ton of since because of gunsmith aka another way to be "clear" because this would seem quite townsided with the IC alive so they need at least 1 counter
"Why would Infinity claim doc though!" you just answered your own question also it was already talked about maybe he wasn't planning on claiming his real role but he had to because I tracked him?
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:26 am
by Vedith
In post 2336, MariaR wrote:I'm going to go over my POV right now so maybe you can get a better look into my head
If I assume both Doctor and Watcher are real that means both scum claimed VT
if IC didn't die they could of claimed day 2 or not and both doctors and watcher would of for sure been on the IC watcher is alive and reports 2 doctors visit t he IC leading to almost a cc because I don't think anyone would auto assume both docs are real it just seems quite swingy
Scum doc also makes a ton of since because of gunsmith aka another way to be "clear" because this would seem quite townsided with the IC alive so they need at least 1 counter
"Why would Infinity claim doc though!" you just answered your own question also it was already talked about maybe he wasn't planning on claiming his real role but he had to because I tracked him?
So why wouldn't he claim cop or something then?
There wasn't a cop role...
He could have even said Vanilla cop to see if I was lying.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:27 am
by Vedith
In post 2337, Vedith wrote: In post 2336, MariaR wrote:I'm going to go over my POV right now so maybe you can get a better look into my head
If I assume both Doctor and Watcher are real that means both scum claimed VT
if IC didn't die they could of claimed day 2 or not and both doctors and watcher would of for sure been on the IC watcher is alive and reports 2 doctors visit t he IC leading to almost a cc because I don't think anyone would auto assume both docs are real it just seems quite swingy
Scum doc also makes a ton of since because of gunsmith aka another way to be "clear" because this would seem quite townsided with the IC alive so they need at least 1 counter
"Why would Infinity claim doc though!" you just answered your own question also it was already talked about maybe he wasn't planning on claiming his real role but he had to because I tracked him?
So why wouldn't he claim cop or something then?
There wasn't a cop role...
He could have even said Vanilla cop to see if I was lying.
Apart from KTS, obviously, but he was JOAT, not cop.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:29 am
by Infinity 324
Your argument is exactly why 2 docs + watcher + IC isn't too townsided.
PEdit: there was a gunsmith. Cop would've been weird on you
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:31 am
by MariaR
Cop + gunsmith = no
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:31 am
by MariaR
Infinity couldn't claim any type of role that could of cleared someone that would of been way to fishy it had to be a role that couldn't clear
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:37 am
by Infinity 324
You're assuming that
a) I found doctor the least likely type of normal role for town to have (otherwise I wouldn't have targeted vedith)
b) I was scared of a tracker (I was widely townread, why would I be?)
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:38 am
by Raskolnikov
@Infinity how/why do you townread vedith?
If you're town, his defence of you is actually necessary from his position because if you are lynched on the "there is scum within infinity/vedith" logic he 100% gets lynched next and loses, whereas pushing "scum must be in VTs" is a wincon for him.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:38 am
by MariaR
I never said you were scared of tracker you claimed AFTER I outted my report on you.
I think the biggest problem atm is everyone's sr's are all over the place.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:39 am
by MariaR
In post 2343, Raskolnikov wrote:@Infinity how/why do you townread vedith?
If you're town, his defence of you is actually necessary from his position because if you are lynched on the "there is scum within infinity/vedith" logic he 100% gets lynched next and loses, whereas pushing "scum must be in VTs" is a wincon for him.
Why do you tr Infinity so much?
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:41 am
by Infinity 324
In post 2343, Raskolnikov wrote:@Infinity how/why do you townread vedith?
If you're town, his defence of you is actually necessary from his position because if you are lynched on the "there is scum within infinity/vedith" logic he 100% gets lynched next and loses, whereas pushing "scum must be in VTs" is a wincon for him.
Hmm true.
He just doesn't seem to have much of a plan, scum usually do this late in the game. I feel like he's trying to figure stuff out.
Maybe he could easily fake this idk
How about that kraska/LQ interaction tho
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:42 am
by Infinity 324
In post 2344, MariaR wrote:I never said you were scared of tracker you claimed AFTER I outted my report on you.
I think the biggest problem atm is everyone's sr's are all over the place.
Why would I target vedith in the first lace instead of protecting a buddy unless I was scared of tracker?
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:46 am
by Vedith
So I just want to point out here.
Maria thinks that Infinity is scum doc and visited me so he wasn't caught visiting else where instead of just not going out and claiming he was Roleblocker if tracked.
Yet I'm the one not making sense
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:50 am
by Raskolnikov
@Maria
How can I explain it... I still know from a setup/spec analysis he almost has to be scum if vedith is town, but compared to vedith my townread on infinity for his earlier game play (approaching everything exactly as I did/would even when I didn't say it out loud) is infinitely better. But thats compared directly to vedith and how vedith claimed, outside of that pool of 2 I'd still lynch him over you because of the roles thing... maybe over slandaar too though I'm less sure there tbh.
Also as an fyi you incidentally came to the same conclusions I had in my analysis on infinity's role (
2280) so good job.