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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:07 am
by Momrangal
I think the last scum (two?) lie in NM, IB and Buj.
I might be being really naive and self absorbed, but I'm still seeing really strong town motivations for Beef JK'ing me
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:08 am
by Mathdino
the worst has already hard-cleared InfernoBrafin.
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:09 am
by Momrangal
Ok.
NM and Buj then.
Barring the hammer vote, I intend to move there
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:07 am
by Mathdino
Hammertime guys
If I die tonight, force the worst to claim and lynch someone we don't have an inno on
InfernoBrafin should direct the night actions
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:09 am
by Mathdino
In post 2321, Mathdino wrote:Okay well the jail went through.
VOTE: Beefster
the worst checks Marangal
Marangal holsters
Kthx follows Bujaber
Bujaber visits Kthxbye
Not_Mafia checks InfernoBrafin
Mathdino protects the worst
We're lynching Beefster by play rather than by mechanics, so I'm good with this. Reasonable argument for no-lynching but that seems nonideal.
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:09 pm
by Kthxbye
I already said I was following you tonight math. Need to rework plan?
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:16 pm
by Mathdino
You're the only role in this game that can check Bujaber. Clearing him is much more useful than clearing me right now.
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:17 pm
by Mathdino
Plus if he thinks he's going to get caught in the act, he's either going to
1. Not kill (in which case we can regroup)
2. Kill you, which sorts you and causes us to lynch him
I can be sorted by both the worst and Not_Mafia tomorrow night if I'm not dead.
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:14 pm
by Beefster
In post 2324, Mathdino wrote:The plan doesn't change.
the worst can only check people not performing night actions. Bujaber compulsively performs night actions. He can only check me or Marangal.
N_M did in fact motion detect Marangal, which leaves the option open that N_M is just scum with Marangal. Hence the second opinion.
We'll probably have to no-lynch at some point in order to get more clears, but c'est la vie.
That leaves us at 3 possibilities for the remaining scum.
- Me
- BuJaber
- Momrangal & Not_Mafia
There are 8 of us left and room for 2 mislynches or 1 if Mom & N_M are the remaining scum. Meaning today or tomorrow, one of them has to be lynched to guarantee a win. But the game is indeed solved if scum is in these 4.
I doubt there are 4 scum, so that leaves no other viable option for me besides BuJaber, whom I am already voting.
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:17 pm
by Beefster
If you leave me alive, I could possibly save a life with my roleblock... and in doing so, find a mafia. Even if the mafia creates a red herring out of my target by holstering, the game is still solved.
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:19 pm
by Mathdino
Kthx and the worst are technically not cleared
But yes that's accurate
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:46 pm
by Beefster
Neither are you.
I find it highly unlikely that Kthx is mafia. tw probably isn't either.
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:48 pm
by Mathdino
Kthx gladiating A50 almost makes sense honestly
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:20 pm
by BuJaber
It does if they thought they would lose acryon no matter what. Whoever survives their 1v1 would probably be conftowned.
Are we waiting for something?
Where's IB?
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:46 am
by Momrangal
In post 2329, Mathdino wrote: In post 2321, Mathdino wrote:Okay well the jail went through.
VOTE: Beefster
the worst checks Marangal
Marangal holsters
Kthx follows Bujaber
Bujaber visits Kthxbye
Not_Mafia checks InfernoBrafin
Mathdino protects the worst
We're lynching Beefster by play rather than by mechanics, so I'm good with this. Reasonable argument for no-lynching but that seems nonideal.
What about Beefs play seems particularly pro-scum?
Am I wrong to think that targeting me has next to no scum motives?
VOTE: Bujaber
Also
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:05 am
by Beefster
There's a difference between "almost" and ""
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:44 am
by InfernoBrafin
Haven't had time to push my flowchart at all, but I just read through everything and something came to me that I would like to share:
What about beef/Mom? Beef is a RB and Mom is a ninja. That explains why Mom won't hammer, why Beef can block, the Ico kill without a strongman, and a whole host of other things. Plus, we're all forgetting that Acryon is a traitor.
A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:
is Mafia-aligned
knows the identities of all of the Mafia team
identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists
cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot
is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead
gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops
(And I assume get no NK)
Now, I'm assuming that we're in a normal game, even though it is themed, but it's quite possible that Acryon, by being traitor, allows there to be a 9/4 balance in players and there to be two scum remaining.
Thoughts?
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:48 am
by Mathdino
Beef/Marangal: Yeah that works. Gonna have to lynch Beef to find out. the worst will confirm Marangal tonight.
Traitor: Don't ever assume themed games use normal roles.
9/4: Yes that's what I've been pushing for a while.
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:44 am
by Momrangal
A ninja?
With an invest immune?
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:45 am
by Momrangal
Also why is no one answering me?
I'll hammer if I can get a good reason for why scum beef would block/protect town me
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:46 am
by Momrangal
Like you're all acting like this is sudden when I have been had him in my town reads for like, two days for that reason
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:50 am
by Mathdino
Ugh honestly this is pretty whack.
Mafia Jailkeeper/Strongman is just ridiculous.
It's just hard for me to see BuJaber as scum, even if he's clearly scum mechanically.
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:02 am
by Not_Mafia
If Beefster is scum he's last scum, might be better to go after someone who can be in a 4 man team, but I also just think that Beefster is scum
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:06 am
by Mathdino
So he's for sure Jailkeeper Strongman?
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:09 am
by Momrangal
Mod already confirmed that scum can't kill and use an ability (I think) and if he was strongman, he has been doing the kills each night. N2, he couldn't have because he targeted me so he isn't strongman for sure