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Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:55 am**

Post #2045 for example. "I don't think this is fair?". Sure, great, what does that tell about the alignment of the person having a different interpretation than you?

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:58 am**

Even if the purpose was to deduce their alignment upon scrutinising it, she never really mentions her findings? It's like, asking those questions to mimic contribution, but the reasoning for reads are silly, like "I like blake x yang for pointing this out". The most consistent wolf tell I've found is wolves asking questions for the sake of asking questions and not doing anything with them.

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:05 am**

In post 2316, Despair Night wrote:Because you're probably dying unless you claim.

We do have a hood, but i'm not full claiming right now. Claiming when I don't have to doesn't help town at all, and it only narrows who scum should NK when they get the chance.

-gb

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:06 am**

In post 2323, Despair Night wrote:
In post 2322, Feminist Blocc wrote:Please explain? DA has been very expansive about their reads and posted a large case on Equitable last page detailing their progression on the slot and why they think it's scum, how is voting them "willing to lynch anyone?"

Here's another thing I strongly question and have trouble with, and I'm sure she's done the same in other questions, but, the mentality behind the two questions is very different.

Please explain?

This is asking for a thought process, presumably in order to sort someone. That's fine. However...

DA has been very expansive about their reads and posted a large case on Equitable last page detailing their progression on the slot and why they think it's scum, how is voting them "willing to lynch anyone?"

This is a clash of mentalities within the same post, and I think it's a recurrent trend. The first question had an intent to sort someone, however, this is stuffing the slot she's questioning in a really awkward hat, like she's almost accusing him. So which one is it, are you trying to sort him, or arguing why he's scum by pushing loaded questions? This clash on mentalities is another thing for scum.

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:07 am**

This is probably my first serious contribution and read in the game by the way, you can ignore my other posts.

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:08 am**

In post 2298, Blake X Yang wrote:I expect Smol Might and egospray are both scum currently.

Do you think i'm bussing my partner right now?

-gb

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:08 am**

But I liked when you were pretending to scum read me, I felt important

~Spiffy

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:09 am**

Happy scumday Blake persona!

Also Fark like you're right that tonally Alyssa didn't roleplay the Blake persona nearly as hard as she did in the scum game, and she's roleplaying a lot harder here, but I don't think that in and of itself means you should scumread her

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:13 am**

In post 2331, Spiffybringer wrote:But I liked when you were pretending to scum read me, I felt important

~Spiffy

Rest assured if you are a scum there will come a time where I'm going to scum read you as well. It's a matter of time before the plague that is insomnia takes over scum.

So, who has meta with Ausuka?

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:18 am**

In post 2322, Feminist Blocc wrote:ok, why do you think scum!Ircher specifically would tell people to stop discussing events?

Seems like an easy and LAMIST thing to do. Of course people will stop discussing the event, they eventually end. I don't really see any reason for Town to get annoyed at people talking about a part of the game that's obviously important to the main thread.

-gb

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:18 am**

In post 2334, GeorgeBailey wrote:
In post 2322, Feminist Blocc wrote:ok, why do you think scum!Ircher specifically would tell people to stop discussing events?
Seems like an easy and LAMIST thing to do. Of course people will stop discussing the event, they eventually end. I don't really see any reason for Town to get annoyed at people talking about a part of the game that's obviously important to the main thread.

-gb

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:27 am**

In post 2322, Feminist Blocc wrote:Please explain? DA has been very expansive about their reads and posted a large case on Equitable last page detailing their progression on the slot and why they think it's scum, how is voting them "willing to lynch anyone?"

I feel like they are just vote-hopping and push-hopping a lot. I need to review their ISO I could be totally wrong on this.

Spiffeh respond to my last post pls

SC

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:56 am**

In post 2306, Despair Night wrote:Why doesn't George just claim his role? We have a gravity surge thing drawing all actions anyway, he's safe for at least two nights.

The only thing that stops me from lynching him is his claim which I have no idea what it is or how it makes him town.

~som

Ego claimed a role???
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Can we stop abbreviating names to two letters? It takes forever to figure them out.
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Despair Night in post 2323 wrote: God damn it I want to CFD feminist blocc.

Why? They are actually engaged with the game (well Ausuka is), just not as talkative. They also haven't done anything of note yet--both scum -wise and town-wise.

Despair Night wrote: Just reading these, the general mentality Ausuka is posting under is "I disagree with them..." and that's literally just it. Half of the questions are asking for more elaboration that she ultimately doesn't chase afterwards, it's just so limp and dull.

That seems like playstyle?

In post 2328, Despair Night wrote:
In post 2323, Despair Night wrote:
In post 2322, Feminist Blocc wrote:Please explain? DA has been very expansive about their reads and posted a large case on Equitable last page detailing their progression on the slot and why they think it's scum, how is voting them "willing to lynch anyone?"

Here's another thing I strongly question and have trouble with, and I'm sure she's done the same in other questions, but, the mentality behind the two questions is very different.

Please explain?
This is asking for a thought process, presumably in order to sort someone. That's fine. However...

DA has been very expansive about their reads and posted a large case on Equitable last page detailing their progression on the slot and why they think it's scum, how is voting them "willing to lynch anyone?"
This is a clash of mentalities within the same post, and I think it's a recurrent trend. The first question had an intent to sort someone, however, this is stuffing the slot she's questioning in a really awkward hat, like she's almost accusing him. So which one is it, are you trying to sort him, or arguing why he's scum by pushing loaded questions? This clash on mentalities is another thing for scum.

I don't see the clash. It looks like Ausuka wants to understand Cakez's perspective (hence the question). At the same time, she follows up with why she disagrees with Cakez's statement. This is perfectly reasonable if Ausuka disagrees with Cakez's post, which she does. Asking for perspective does not change the fact that Ausuka is entitled to her own beliefs and to expressing them. It's kinda like a "I disagree and here's why, but please offer me your perspective. Maybe it will change my understanding."
~Ircher

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:17 am**

@insomnia

the first is me explaining my issues with what Searcher said. yeah, i don't explicity say, "I think that having a read that doesn't really make sense coming from town makes Searchers more likely to be scum" but i'd think that's implied. i'm asking for elaboration in case i'm misinterpreting something or got something wrong. if they don't provide evidence that's the case i'm going to keep on scumreading them like i am now.

i am also trying to point out my issues with what Searcher said in your second quote. i don't see how you don't get that i am scumreading Searchers for what they're saying. again, i do not say "this is scummy" explicitly but from what I'm saying i feel like it is definitely implied. i am trying to invite them to expand on their read, in case I am wrongly interpreting the situation. in the absense of that, it is scummy and I will scumread searcher for it. in all fairness I just went looking and I totally missed 2072 for some reason so i do get why you'd think i'm not pursuing this specifically and i'll read through and make a response to 2072 when i'm finished with this.

the third one wasn't meant to be a question. it's not gramatically correct to use question marks there and i'm sorry about that, if it's confusing i'll stop doing it, but I don't think anything in that post is structured like a question other than that.

the fourth one was made in response to Spiffeh who listed me as townreading Imperium and was appearing to challenge that anyone should be townreading Imperium, so I justified my view. i mean i guess your issue with this question is understandable since it was sort of throwaway. my intent when i made it was that, because spiffeh presumably disagreed with what i thought, he would either challenge it at which point i would be prompted to respond again, or he wouldn't in which case my view would be fine and i'd just keep considering imperium town. i suppose maybe i should've pursued the question? but i don't think i understood a lot of the early-game since i wasn't really very engaged at all so I kind of stopped thinking about it and forgot about it.

In post 2325, Despair Night wrote:Post #2045 for example. "I don't think this is fair?". Sure, great, what does that tell about the alignment of the person having a different interpretation than you?

i thought that SC there was stretching DA's post in an attempt to hard-push their wagon. i don't think having a different interpretation to me automatically = scum; however for the reasons I explained in there I thought it would be difficult for town to interpret DA's post in that way and that because of that Searchers was more likely to be scum.

you might have also been referring to some of my questions to egospray which I didn't follow up on much. I have been asking questions because that slot is high - scrutiny/under pressure/etc and I want to get a good read on it if I can. I did see those answers but I haven't really been able to find much alignment indicative either way in the answers, I have asked some follow-up questions to the answers I'm pretty sure but I feel like most of the time I just end up feeling "ok, well, i guess town certainly could feel this way, but I guess it'd also be easy for scum to fake as well so yeah I have no idea."

In post 2328, Despair Night wrote:This is a clash of mentalities within the same post, and I think it's a recurrent trend. The first question had an intent to sort someone, however, this is stuffing the slot she's questioning in a really awkward hat, like she's almost accusing him. So which one is it, are you trying to sort him, or arguing why he's scum by pushing loaded questions? This clash on mentalities is another thing for scum.

I am explaining why I think what SC said there was scummy. I am also asking for an explanation because it's possible, and likely if they're town that there's a reason for it I'm not taking to account, because I have been scumreading Searchers for a long time and if they are town i am probably confbiasing with a lot of the points i'm thinking of. if there's a good reason I will drop the point and my scumread will be weaker. So yes, I have already come to an opinion. However that opinion has room to change if my current argument is proven wrong, and that's my intent with that question.

Final thing; "they're framed in a way that's almost meant to tell people why their reads suck and asking why their process sucks and guiding them to correcting them" - i'm not doing this. In most of these cases I am saying why I think their posting is scummy basically. i don't really want them to correct *their reads* - if they say "yes you are right that read makes no sense" and provide an explanation for why they felt that way at first then I mean yeah that's fine I guess, but I'm also looking for a correction of my read in case what I'm thinking is totally off mark.

ok I think I wrote too much but like whatever

-aus

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:24 am**

ive been told I have been requested but I hven't read anything since like page 20.

what u want?

~fire

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 am**

In post 2320, Feminist Blocc wrote:Fark, stop trying to last-minute shitpush our slot through, it's not happening.

-D

That's... not the point, though. I know it is a vanity wagon, but i offered a subject to discuss. Nobody picked that up. Not even you. You didn't try to sort me, or people who defended/attacked you (more like, lack thereof). I mean, ok, you say you are not interested in the mafia part of this game. Then why are you doing this:

In post 2239, Feminist Blocc wrote:Yes, I'm skimming the game for my own name because that's the only thing i can be fucked to respond about or even know enough to respond about. Ya got me fuck

-D

What's the point?

I already admitted that i didn't distinguish your heads, because i don't know you and your signature doesn't stick - but Ausuka engaged from time to time, and he too has only one scumread (the Searchers). Ms Despair probably laid this out better than i could, but the point is that you (as a hydra) want to appear disengaged while you actually aren't. You say there is content coming from your slot, but it's... not. Your posts are reactionary and mostly empty - you joke with the playerlist but you're not progressing.

I don't like that Ms Despair is the only slot who picked up on this - even if Feminist Bloc isn't a hot topic, Mikoto and Kuroko definitely is. And nobody commented on my push to sort you or me - except Blake who wked you, and now DN.

Ausuka's followup was

In post 2322, Feminist Blocc wrote: thx for the white knight Yang I am now in your pocket

I'm pretty okay with a SM lynch i guess it's like the 'easy lynch' and a pretty null slot which isn't great but I think a lot of people seem town in this game so i'm much more willing to vote for a slot that's kinda disappeared I think. I don't feel any need to vote them right now because plurality and we still have a while but if there are counterwagons between SM vs someone else I will vote for the SM wagon unless smth changes.

re:Flavor; i mean I get the whole thing about scum!flavour not usually being so quiet but like... I don't think town!flavour really is usually either so this is just a change either way? Granted I haven't played in a while so this could have changed but I remember playing multiple games with scum!fl and there wasn't really anything obvious connecting his playstyle between games.

-Aus

Which is pretty much a prodge on the blake slot (you're only joking on her alignment) and compromise to lynch the highest wagon which you don't have a read on.

-Farkran

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:26 am**

In post 2339, Spiffybringer wrote:ive been told I have been requested but I hven't read anything since like page 20.

what u want?

~fire

why aren't you playing mario party this game?

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:27 am**

I mean I still think Ausuka's town, but my readrate on her overall is sub 50% so I'm not about to go towncasing her day 1 lol

-JC

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:35 am**

Fine I’m checking an Ausuka town game myself, team mates ;(

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:36 am**

In post 2072, The Searchers wrote:
In post 2045, Feminist Blocc wrote:
In post 1950, The Searchers wrote:This read is terrible.
"oh he's different from his town meta, he weirdly backpedaled on a read, his hydra partner is absent from the game, but I mindmelded on an early read so they're probably just town!!!"
So incoherent.
i don't think this is fair? like, he said "spiffy's posting is mostly fine and this slot should probably just be town" so it's not really just the mindmeld, he just likes Spiffeh's posting in general. It also seems like a stretch to list the hydra partner being a factor in the read when he explicitly stated "that doesn't make him scum." Idk I feel like this read on it just lacks nuance in general?
I feel they listed a lot of specific reasons to not like Spiff and only one specific thing + some vagaries about Spiff town. It just doesn't add up for me.

Ok I think I get why you might have thought this actually oops.

In post 1961, The Searchers wrote:DA is flailing

SC
Ok I think it's possible I'm tunneling at this point but like... I *really* don't see how DA is flailing here

I feel like their attack on me was just trying to widen the net of possible lynches. [/quote]
Okay but I don't really understand why you'd think this. Like, they did give reasons and explanations for their read they essentially said they wouldn't want to push a lynch on you themselves by saying "if this slot is getting lynched I won't be the one leading it", and they also put Egospray as someone they wouldn't want to lynch which I think would be poor survivalist strategy at this point if they really were just flailing around, so why did they do all of that if they're really just trying to expand the lynchpool?

-aus

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:42 am**

In post 2340, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:Which is pretty much a prodge on the blake slot (you're only joking on her alignment) and compromise to lynch the highest wagon which you don't have a read on

ok you're right i did make a joke about that so let's make this clear: i think that blake x yang is obvious town. i would feel pretty shocked if this slot was not town. everything coming from it seems to indicate that it is town. their tone seems town from both heads. recent things that I liked more specifically were their defense of DA which I strongly agreed with and also Taly's defense of our slot which seems kinda weird coming from scum considering they have more than enough towncred that i really don't think they *have* to and scum would probably like for another townie to be firmly put in the suspect pool here.

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:42 am**

In post 2327, egospray wrote:
In post 2316, Despair Night wrote:Because you're probably dying unless you claim.
We do have a hood, but i'm not full claiming right now. Claiming when I don't have to doesn't help town at all, and it only narrows who scum should NK when they get the chance.

-gb

There’s more to it though Ausuka, I feel like you sitting on the Searchers read is very easy content to fake as scum in this game state, you just keep shading them with questions and never say why they’re scum and just look elsewhere.

I’ll have a look at one of your town games and come to a conclusion myself.

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:54 am**

In post 2346, Despair Night wrote:There’s more to it though Ausuka, I feel like you sitting on the Searchers read is very easy content to fake as scum in this game state, you just keep shading them with questions and never say why they’re scum and just look elsewhere.

does this still make ausuka scummy if cakez is scum

because I'd believe cakez is scum this game :3

-JC

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:07 am**

You should hold off on any world building without flips

It’s 12AM for me, if I wake up to a post with quotes from Ausuka’s town game that contain all the questions she’s ever asked I will be grateful to that person and I’m not pushing them until Day 4

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:08 am**

I will also dedicate my entire love and affection in the form of a hood that I’ll work for in events

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