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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:53 am
by Redados
In post 2090, UNOwen wrote:
This never got a reply from Redados, but I would like him to explain why he thinks I never suspected him until his big catch up considering he has claimed to have been reading my posts.
I went back and ISOd you and your post 660 sheds some suspicion on me but I didn't see you as scumreading me until you voted for me. And post 1025.
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:55 am
by Redados
In post 2297, Hectic wrote:Thinking Redados might not be a bad idea now honestly, I thought the "scum because of playstyle" caution was towny from him early on, but it seems he's committed to actually scumreading both of Noraa/shelly without ever explaining why.
Looking through his ISO, he's restated or acknowledged those scumreads like 10 or so different times, but not once has he mentioned
why
he scumreads them or given any reasoning despite repeatedly being prompted for it...maybe he doesn't actually have any reasons and is just rolling with the reads from early on? His wall in
1164 infact have a bunch of lines where he says shelly is being protown or that he agrees with something shelly has said, but then these come with no explanation:
help, WHY do you scumread shelly and Noraa?
After seeing Shelly's reaction to my scumreads and her continued play, I don't scumread her anymore.
I've also cooled down on Noraa. I kept scumreading her because of her continued tunneling on me.
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:07 am
by Noraa
Agreed that Redados and I are at a truce rn.
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:07 am
by Noraa
After all the hissy fights cooled down, we gucci
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:07 am
by Noraa
......right?
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:09 am
by bugspray
Why do you think this is a useful question to ask?
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:14 am
by NorwegianboyEE
In post 2317, shellyc wrote:I’m getting hardcore TvS vibes from joyed v Norway though
just the overall conflict isn’t really scum theatre and I think I don’t see the energy/reaction/emotion (idk how to put this) of a TvT fight really
Probably just repeating at this point, but why couldn't it be TvT? You say energy/reaction/emotion but not every player is going to spend 10 pages arguing when it's clear that it will just spam and maybe not even change anyone's opinion much.
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:19 am
by Tayl0r Swift
yes i think we should all ask ourselves that
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:20 am
by UNOwen
In post 2318, duppin wrote:the TvS read is so weird to me on day 1. what makes you believe that discussion is more likely to be TvS? you said the same about me and tayl0rs discussion. Like I understand having an independent scumread on someone, but I am not sure I really follow the logic that any of these day 1 discussions are more likely to be town vs scum
I agree with this. Shelly comes across as the type of player who is willing to make these sorts of guesses based on intuition though.
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:21 am
by Noraa
Taylor I wouldn't be surprised at all if the answer was yes
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:30 am
by bugspray
ok lets get a wagon going then VOTE: bugspray
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:31 am
by UNOwen
In post 2325, Redados wrote:
I went back and ISOd you and your post 660 sheds some suspicion on me but I didn't see you as scumreading me until you voted for me. And post 1025.
You did not see me as scumreading you until I voted for you the second time
and also
the time when I said I thought you were the most suspicious and was surprised there weren't more votes against you, which was earlier and definitely before your big catchup.
The question isn't really about what you think now though, it is whether at the time you posted your catch up and voted against me you were aware that I thought you were scum?
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:33 am
by Noraa
In post 2333, UNOwen wrote: In post 2318, duppin wrote:the TvS read is so weird to me on day 1. what makes you believe that discussion is more likely to be TvS? you said the same about me and tayl0rs discussion. Like I understand having an independent scumread on someone, but I am not sure I really follow the logic that any of these day 1 discussions are more likely to be town vs scum
I agree with this. Shelly comes across as the type of player who is willing to make these sorts of guesses based on intuition though.
So I see that shelly's post has caught lots of attention. Honestly, ngl it does seem a lil scummy but at the same time it also 100% seems like a shelly thing to do. Often times I think shelly is scum but then I'm very wrong and so its gotten to the point where I slightly zoom out and just accept that half the things she say are gonna sound scummy but its just playstyle. I personally don't think its AI but if u can come up with more stuff that doesn't sound like playstyle, I'm willing to listen.
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:34 am
by NorwegianboyEE
Lel.
But seriously, who do you wanna vote.
Cus we do actually need a wagon soon.
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:34 am
by NorwegianboyEE
noraa, you were right on Taylor. Who's your current main scumread.
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:35 am
by Redados
In post 2336, UNOwen wrote: In post 2325, Redados wrote:
I went back and ISOd you and your post 660 sheds some suspicion on me but I didn't see you as scumreading me until you voted for me. And post 1025.
You did not see me as scumreading you until I voted for you the second time
and also
the time when I said I thought you were the most suspicious and was surprised there weren't more votes against you, which was earlier and definitely before your big catchup.
The question isn't really about what you think now though, it is whether at the time you posted your catch up and voted against me you were aware that I thought you were scum?
no, I was not aware although I had read the whole thing so maybe I should have been more aware/was aware subconsciously
can I ask why this is so important?
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:39 am
by bugspray
was odj hectic and then he replaced in on his main?
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:40 am
by Hectic
In post 2326, Redados wrote:After seeing Shelly's reaction to my scumreads and her continued play, I don't scumread her anymore.
I've also cooled down on Noraa. I kept scumreading her because of her continued tunneling on me.
Why were you originally scumreading shelly?
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:41 am
by UNOwen
In post 2340, Redados wrote:
no, I was not aware although I had read the whole thing so maybe I should have been more aware/was aware subconsciously
can I ask why this is so important?
I'd like to believe that if you were suspecting me from that early on in your read through you would have been paying attention to I was saying.
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:46 am
by Noraa
Norwee I don't have good reads lel just check out my first town game and u can tell. My scum team guess was two vanilla townies. I jailed two people who were both vanilla town. I never figured out who the first scum was until they claimed my role. The second scum I found using some Poe. Thats how bad I am at reads *facepalm*
For Taylor, it wasn't even I was right about her. Its more that I've been in many games with her and she always seems to rack up attention day 1 even as town so I don't really think that's AI. I think her vibe is basically the only thing that is somewhat easy to read. As town she's pretty aggressive and will get mad easily and that's what I saw here so I figured she was prolly town.
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:14 am
by Redados
yep
In post 2342, Hectic wrote: In post 2326, Redados wrote:After seeing Shelly's reaction to my scumreads and her continued play, I don't scumread her anymore.
I've also cooled down on Noraa. I kept scumreading her because of her continued tunneling on me.
Why were you originally scumreading shelly?
She was behaving erratically and aggressively and going back in hindsight I think it was her push on Grendel that drove it.
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:29 am
by Noraa
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:36 am
by Hectic
In post 2345, Redados wrote:She was behaving erratically and aggressively and going back in hindsight I think it was her push on Grendel that drove it.
You mentioned before that's her playstyle and it's NAI. I was hoping you had more game specific reasons to scumread her, so this is troubling.
What about the push on Grendel made you think she was scum and it wasn't just shelly being agressive/erratic as always?
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:51 am
by Redados
In post 2347, Hectic wrote: In post 2345, Redados wrote:She was behaving erratically and aggressively and going back in hindsight I think it was her push on Grendel that drove it.
You mentioned before that's her playstyle and it's NAI. I was hoping you had more game specific reasons to scumread her, so this is troubling.
What about the push on Grendel made you think she was scum and it wasn't just shelly being agressive/erratic as always?
Those were off the cuff reads from a bunch of pages ago and I don’t want to defend them anymore.
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:17 am
by Redados
I'll be lower activity for the next day or so since I'll be traveling. Should be back to usual capabilities by Saturday evening or Sunday morning CST.
