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Yeah they are, both are actually and I really would rather have a lim.

However, I cba looking at the cases, people have gone for me for my way of playing, so now I'm no efforting. I'll follow the plan, if someone convinces me its worth sheeping them I'll vote ^_^

chaos has no place here apparently and honestly I'm debating rule 1.

Your birthday?
Happy birthday Bell!

at me, not for me.

big difference

I like your Chaos Flea!

happy bday

In post 2323, MURDERCAT wrote:@Taly are you here? You disappeared after asking me about Titus I was curious where that was going

I'm a whim away from voting , though, I'm wishing could all start magically posting but I don't think we have time. >:

HC said they were coming back with something. I do wish ali was here

not yeeting murdercat is a travesty tho

chaos can be sorted.

still town

this game is fucking wild

Be more wild if I start poking people.

Right.

In post 2186, Akarin wrote:The first thing is his entrance to the game: He comes in ready to talk a bit of mech and only slightly uncooperative. 5 actual minutes later, the plan is "bad and doomed to failure." And Pooky is sus for suggesting it. When Alisae asked him why, all he'd say was"If you don't know then now is certainly not the time to tell you." As if there were some mech reason. Later when I asked him again why this was worth giving scum a free NK (after my big example) his extremely persuasive reason was just "Because it gives the scum waaaaaaay too much room to maneuver and at the moment they have a lot more information about how to use game mechanics to their advantage than we do." That's it. Despite not wanting to tell Alisae earlier, and all the reasoning I gave, his 5 minute turn-around is just that strong.

Congrats, this is a summary of what happened. You have correctly identified the fact that I was lukewarm on discussing mechanics and then decided that discussing mechanics helped scum more than town and therefore decided to stop discussing mechanics and later said it wasn't good to discuss mechanics. Stellar scumhunting, chief.

As for my interactions with Titus, Titus pinged me as a scummy player and then did absolutely nothing to suggest otherwise.

In post 2187, Akarin wrote:Titus wrote:
I'm going to electrical. I'm doing my task.

Either a) scum kill me and leave less for y'all to do

Or b) scum kill elsewhere and I can get those tasks.

Agreeing to anything else seems stupid.
Option A has a big problem here. Can anybody else see what it is? (Titus was wrong about the setup, why is this scummy? And why does Haschel understand this part of the setup but not the rest?)

In Option A, the scum kill Titus and then somebody still has to do her task because tasks aren't completed during the night phase. I expect town players to have paid close attention to how their tasks are actually performed.

In post 2187, Akarin wrote:In post 1436, Haschel Cedricson wrote:
So his voting pattern both makes him transparently scum and can't make you 100% sure he's scummy. Do I have that correct?

Like this doesn't seem like a damning contradiction to me.

Good point, assuming you redefine "transparently" and "100%" to mean things that they don't actually mean.

In post 2187, Akarin wrote:Then there's the whole WHY ARE YOU DODGING THE QUESTION interaction: After Titus votes BM, Haschel: "Oh no. You of all people do not get to just drop a vote with no reasoning and walk away. Why Battle Mage over the other wagons? Does the case against Murdercat make sense?" Murdercat was the other wagon here, and at this point Haschel was saying the BM wagon was bad and Murdercat was good. I actually agree with that at that point in the game, but when Titus says BM has been her main scumread for ages Haschel makes this big weird deal about Titus apparently "dodging the question" of whether the Murdercat wagon makes sense. When Flareon asks what it is, Haschel insists that no one but Titus should answer. Like he's expecting some useful scumhunting trap out of not telling Titus what the Murdercat case is. When she eventually catches up, she says post 1953she has no idea why the wagon is a thing[/url].

There were two wagons at the time, and Titus didn't comment on the Murdercat one at all. I don't care that she said BM had been her main scumread for ages; I've already established that was an incredibly weak position to have in the first place given the reasoning Titus presented. Meanwhile we have another player in Murdercat a lot of people are suggesting is scummy; there's a decent case laid out, and Titus ignores it in favor of pushing a counterwagon (on a player that I believe is town) with the minimum of effort. When pressured, she refuses to give an opinion on Murdercat or the Murdercat wagon. I wasn't presenting a trap, I was trying to force her to commit to a stance on a player who at the time was looking like a feasible elimination so we could get associative tells later. And then the kicker is she has no idea why the wagon is a thing. Bullshit. The case and most of the wagon were all presented on the same page. Titus is a player trying to avoid giving detailed reads.

In post 2187, Akarin wrote:Titus wasn't voting MURDERCAT, so what was even the point? It served to put a lot of pressure on Titus but???

Hmm yes, what is the point in getting the opinion of a player on the counterwagon to the person they are voting? You even answer your own question in the second sentence. Pressure = Pressure.

In post 2215, Taly wrote:I don't know why else Haschel focuses on Titus unless it's like him as town to just sit on one person for the entirety of D1.

My scumreads are either Titus or Titus-adjacent, so yeah, this is the best direction to direct my energy right now.

Happy birthday Bell sorry you're scum <3

TWO HOURS TWO HOURS GET HASCHEL NOW

In post 2339, Flea The Magician wrote:VOTE: Titus

Ew

In post 2343, SirCakez wrote:

In post 2339, Flea The Magician wrote:VOTE: Titus

Ew

^^agreed
deadline compromises y'all go vote haschel

, do you have any other reads?

In post 2344, TheGoldenParadox wrote:

In post 2343, SirCakez wrote:

In post 2339, Flea The Magician wrote:VOTE: Titus

Ew

^^agreed
deadline compromises y'all go vote haschel

ew yaselves.

Not convinced about Titus
Not sure who HC could be scum with
Sorry
VOTE: No elim

If there is a case either for one of the particular wagons or for limming in general that convinces me I'll reconsider, but I just feel like we are not organized enough to hit scum.

In post 2298, Akarin wrote:

In post 2289, Battle Mage wrote:Akarin - so your case on Haschel is:

1. You were salty he ignored a case you made
2. He attacked Titus who you are defending without good reason
3. He said he would go to a room alone, which risks him dying if town. Which effectively removes the need to waste an elim on him now. If he's still alive later, after gallavanting on his own, we would be better off dealing with him then.

It's gonna be a hard No from me.

Holy misrep, Batman

i believe you believe your own case. Clearly, on it's merits, I don't. I don't know what more you want from me...

yeah I'm vibing with Haschel on this page. I'll take the no-elim if we can't get Titus over the line.