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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:20 am
by Andresvmb
In post 2322, PlusJOYED wrote:i think this sets fl as the last maf yeah?
also should be obvious but I can't shoot anymore
I’m trying to figure out why Flavor would reveal the presence of an Enabler in the Scum Team though. Like I have been going back and forth about it and at first it just seems kind of silly. It seems like the sort of thing that Flavor as Town would do.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:21 am
by PlusJOYED
mafia vigilante enabler and you claimed enabler?
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:21 am
by Flavor Leaf
In post 1000, Flavor Leaf wrote:I know for a fact you are scum here, Unwnd, and you know exactly why I know you are scum.
I think Shelly had a decent chance of being the scum leader now, and unfortunate that it got replaced to Noraa.
What are your thoughts on that slot, Unwnd?
In post 1004, Flavor Leaf wrote: In post 1001, unwnd wrote:I think Insano's efforts are town even if the read is largely based on tone difference from the last game. Why do you exactly
know
I'm scum. I don't feel that evidence is provided nor will you ever give it
This is why arguing with you is pointless, and I'm not looking forward to you forcing me into a 1v1 even if you're scum
Insano is the Hank slot.
Noraa is shelly slot.
I will give it Day 3, you are sitting in a spot currently of "FL is correct but for the wrong reasons", and I quite like that.
You have Dunn fooled, though, which is why I've accepted going elsewhere.
In post 1024, Flavor Leaf wrote:
hyena'd.
Nopoints posts towards me are completely weak, you see this too. That's why I think Nopoint should always be the vig toDay. Nopoint flipping scum, I'll explain my Unwnd more on Day 3.
Get more info around the slots with a Noraa fade tbh, plus I don't trust townNoraa. We need a fade. We're in circular territory.
My initial read on Unwnd was that he was the Vig Enabler, which is why I said I would explain my Unwnd read on Day 3, but then he played in a way where I didn’t think he was Vig enabler, or even knew of it, which is why my read changed on him.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:22 am
by Flavor Leaf
Did you miss my post at end of the day?
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:22 am
by Andresvmb
Flavor said that he was Informed about the presence of a Vig Enabler. I don’t know if that’s coming from Town but I don’t get why the revelation at all. It’s not like Flavor has been playing to protect unwnd so it doesn’t make sense to me that Flavor is Scum here.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:23 am
by Flavor Leaf
In post 2325, Andresvmb wrote: In post 2322, PlusJOYED wrote:i think this sets fl as the last maf yeah?
also should be obvious but I can't shoot anymore
I’m trying to figure out why Flavor would reveal the presence of an Enabler in the Scum Team though. Like I have been going back and forth about it and at first it just seems kind of silly. It seems like the sort of thing that Flavor as Town would do.
Well, look what happened when I did it.
Nopoint came after me in an extremely unnatural way.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:24 am
by Andresvmb
Yeah I know. The game with you as Scum makes no sense at all. I was at first surprised at the lie (you see my reaction towards the end of the day) but it didn’t seem coordinated with players that we now know are Scum.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:26 am
by PlusJOYED
hmm ok
I think last maf is in FL, gera, or andres
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:27 am
by Andresvmb
I just don’t think Flavor would box themselves by claiming the role of a Partner unless there was a dire strategic need for it. There just isn’t one here. unwnd could have claimed it and it would have helped with their survival, not hindered. Like Flavor took away a strategic play by a Partner that was under suspicion. It makes no sense to me that Flavor would be Scum.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:27 am
by Andresvmb
If you think I started pointing to unwnd at the end of the day as the Partner, then you really must think I am an idiot.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:28 am
by Flavor Leaf
People were town reading me for the Vigilante Enabler claim, and I really didn’t think it was townie since I was informed, I knew scum had the Vig enabler.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:28 am
by Flavor Leaf
Plus, we’re the only non conf townies. That’s just the POE.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:31 am
by PlusJOYED
In post 2324, Flavor Leaf wrote: In post 2322, PlusJOYED wrote:i think this sets fl as the last maf yeah?
also should be obvious but I can't shoot anymore
What? Why would it be me? Unwnd and Nopoint were the 2 slots I pushed the most. Noraa distracted me for a bit.
the main thing that pings me is that you claimed vig enabler day 2 before I claimed vig and n1 had only 1 kill.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:31 am
by PlusJOYED
In post 2335, Flavor Leaf wrote:People were town reading me for the Vigilante Enabler claim, and I really didn’t think it was townie since I was informed, I knew scum had the Vig enabler.
ahh I see
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:32 am
by Andresvmb
Also, it needs to be said. Insanoflex definitely protected correctly overnight, and deserves praise for it. That move makes all of the difference for us, because we were having an argument yesterday and it could have hindered us today.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:33 am
by Flavor Leaf
In post 2337, PlusJOYED wrote: In post 2324, Flavor Leaf wrote: In post 2322, PlusJOYED wrote:i think this sets fl as the last maf yeah?
also should be obvious but I can't shoot anymore
What? Why would it be me? Unwnd and Nopoint were the 2 slots I pushed the most. Noraa distracted me for a bit.
the main thing that pings me is that you claimed vig enabler day 2 before I claimed vig and n1 had only 1 kill.
I'm informed of a Vig Enabler in the game, what's pinging you
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:33 am
by Flavor Leaf
In post 2339, Andresvmb wrote:Also, it needs to be said. Insanoflex definitely protected correctly overnight, and deserves praise for it. That move makes all of the difference for us, because we were having an argument yesterday and it could have hindered us today.
Yeah, I would have pushed him too. even after an Unwnd flip.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:33 am
by PlusJOYED
I could definitely see you claiming enabler as scum though
also kudos to good play by insaneo for tricking mafia n2 and n3, I would've totally wasted my shot n2
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:34 am
by Flavor Leaf
Damn, that annoys me.
Nopoint and Unwnd completely demotivated me out of this game Day 1.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:35 am
by PlusJOYED
In post 2122, PlusJOYED wrote:i think i have a solve now
this is pretty speculative but nopoint saying "maf don't want to stall they want to elim townies" felt genuine to me. I think nopoint was annoyed as maf that he didnt get a mislim. This makes me think that he probably talked in maf chat about his frustration n1 and got some sort of resonance with maf. He'd probably want to push inactive maf slots to join a wagon otherwise. To me the other person most frusterated with inactivity day 1 was uwnd, so this kind of implicates him to me but the idea is a bit of a stretch.
uwnd's suggestion really pinged me. since uwnd knew I'd very likely shoot between gera and uwnd after noraa elim, he was very survivalistic for a VT suggesting that we elim gera and have me choose between andres and noraa: too much self-preservation for a VT imo.
therefore, my solve is nopoint/noraa/uwnd.
this was the reasoning for my uwnd shot btw, curious if it holds up
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:36 am
by Flavor Leaf
In post 2342, PlusJOYED wrote:I could definitely see you claiming enabler as scum though
also kudos to good play by insaneo for tricking mafia n2 and n3, I would've totally wasted my shot n2
Why would I claim Unwnd's role as their partner? If any scum is to get vigged, it would make sense to be Unwnd.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:36 am
by Andresvmb
In post 2342, PlusJOYED wrote:I could definitely see you claiming enabler as scum though
also kudos to good play by insaneo for tricking mafia n2 and n3, I would've totally wasted my shot n2
It doesn’t help the Scum Team though. Whenever Flavor has made a claim as Scum, it’s been to the Team’s benefit. Friendly Neighborizer has been my favorite so far. But it doesn’t hinder the options of a teammate. You know the Scum have been thinking about it, because the Mafia Watcher claimed Enabler. So it just doesn’t make sense.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:37 am
by Flavor Leaf
this was my solve you took too, Plus.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:38 am
by Andresvmb
In post 2344, PlusJOYED wrote: In post 2122, PlusJOYED wrote:i think i have a solve now
this is pretty speculative but nopoint saying "maf don't want to stall they want to elim townies" felt genuine to me. I think nopoint was annoyed as maf that he didnt get a mislim. This makes me think that he probably talked in maf chat about his frustration n1 and got some sort of resonance with maf. He'd probably want to push inactive maf slots to join a wagon otherwise. To me the other person most frusterated with inactivity day 1 was uwnd, so this kind of implicates him to me but the idea is a bit of a stretch.
uwnd's suggestion really pinged me. since uwnd knew I'd very likely shoot between gera and uwnd after noraa elim, he was very survivalistic for a VT suggesting that we elim gera and have me choose between andres and noraa: too much self-preservation for a VT imo.
therefore, my solve is nopoint/noraa/uwnd.
this was the reasoning for my uwnd shot btw, curious if it holds up
The fact that unwnd was trying to get the shot to be between Noraa and me should also help you out I think.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:39 am
by Andresvmb
Anyway I always recognize that I can be wrong.
I am going to most certainly vote geraintm today. And I hope that ends the game.