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im going to shake you all like snowglobes for believing this

I fail to see why it even matters if Robert is scum lying. We just kill him tomorrow. And if he isnt, hes confirm town and we get a PoE kill during the night.

I'm very much missing the urgency here. What's going to happen if scum robert lives an extra day?

In post 2320, Ydrasse wrote:crazy how vig is the "provable claim" that you can fall back on and say oh yeah guys i'm going to shoot tonight dw and flip the elim onto someone else to save yourself for another day

I shoot you, you shoot me. How 'bout it?

In post 2326, Morning Tweet wrote:What's going to happen if scum robert lives an extra day?

I might shoot scum.

The way Ydrasse is panicking, they probably don't have a roleblocker.

In post 2325, Ydrasse wrote:im going to shake you all like snowglobes for believing this

I dont even need to believe it, I just think it's possible. I really dont think Robert would shoot n1 as town there. What's the benefit to killing Robert today rather than tomorrow?

pedit: Robert you're not gonna shoot Ydrasse if u live, ur gonna shoot whoever is the most likely scum that we all agree on...

In post 2326, Morning Tweet wrote:I fail to see why it even matters if Robert is scum lying. We just kill him tomorrow. And if he isnt, hes confirm town and we get a PoE kill during the night.

I'm very much missing the urgency here. What's going to happen if scum robert lives an extra day?

it's an actual scum claim idk what else you want me to tell you

if we flip off of it and go on town that's yknow, an issue

like genuinely, i dont know how else to spell out for you "the person being wagoned claimed a role that necessitates them being kept alive another day under the premise that theyll have a provable night action that i dont think exists" is a scummy thing

Some PRs like trackers and roleblockers are stronger when less scum exist. Especially since we already have a flipped acum, they become pseudo-cops on a second mafia flip.

and then you have robert trying to play it up like OH ILL SHOOT YOU ILL SHOOT YOU trying to bluster his way through it, and he's ateing, and being in general like... every single scummy thing a person can be

why do we have to keep this alive?

Delaying also has the side effect that it gives scum more time to wiggle out of being faded. Maybe it seems inevitable now and a certainty tomorrow, but people have a habit of changing their minds on a whim.

In post 2334, Ircher wrote:Delaying also has the side effect that it gives scum more time to wiggle out of being faded. Maybe it seems inevitable now and a certainty tomorrow, but people have a habit of changing their minds on a whim.

I love you for being conftown

In post 2330, Ydrasse wrote:

In post 2326, Morning Tweet wrote:I fail to see why it even matters if Robert is scum lying. We just kill him tomorrow. And if he isnt, hes confirm town and we get a PoE kill during the night.

I'm very much missing the urgency here. What's going to happen if scum robert lives an extra day?

it's an actual scum claim idk what else you want me to tell you

if we flip off of it and go on town that's yknow, an issue

I guess I'll see if that's tru when I come back later

Claiming vig in of itself isnt a scum claim though. I could even see it being true since he already softed and has clearly been playing this game weird. dunno. Maybe I'm missing what made it conf scum tho

pedit: Lol i c

Do what u want, if he's truly 100% scum it shouldn't matter

like genuinely just

we're not obligated to keep a pr claim alive when it's been scummy for a long time

i know you had some gut read on him mt but at this point what has he done to justify being kept alive other than his claim?

In post 2334, Ircher wrote:Delaying also has the side effect that it gives scum more time to wiggle out of being faded. Maybe it seems inevitable now and a certainty tomorrow, but people have a habit of changing their minds on a whim.

That doesnt happen if whoever we tell robert to shoot isnt dead tomorrow tho

it's not ~conf scum~ like, i know 1000000%

but he claimed it when people were talking about intent to hammer and claimed it knowing that THIS is the claim that gets another day for him more than like, idk, a watcher or something

and then his reaction after was bad

In post 2300, Ircher wrote:Again, my advice is to do things. Ydrasse is right that you are playing very reactively here. Take some initiative. Aside from Ydrasse and Tanner, who else do you scum read?

@Robert: Still waiting on a response to this.

In post 2337, Ydrasse wrote:like genuinely just

we're not obligated to keep a pr claim alive when it's been scummy for a long time

i know you had some gut read on him mt but at this point what has he done to justify being kept alive other than his claim?

Nothing much

pedit: I understand the point ur making. by virtue of the claim alone its optimal to just leash, but if hes being that obvious then it'll b fine

In post 2333, Ydrasse wrote:every single scummy thing a person can be

Welcome to my playstyle

Robert are u willing to shoot someone other than Ydrasse orrrrr

Like help me understand. You're so certain of a scumread that you're willing to shoot now -- but you couldnt get that certain yesterday?

In post 2340, Ircher wrote:

In post 2300, Ircher wrote:Again, my advice is to do things. Ydrasse is right that you are playing very reactively here. Take some initiative. Aside from Ydrasse and Tanner, who else do you scum read?

@Robert: Still waiting on a response to this.

I'm confused by the yingyang questions, on one hand some players are solving it like a puzzle, on another hand they are also totally ignoring the results.

I don't know who else I scum read, that's my problem.

Okay, then talk to me about your townreads. You said you were town reading Amy yesterday? Why? Has you read changed since you posted that? (1228)

In post 2344, Morning Tweet wrote:You're so certain of a scumread that you're willing to shoot now -- but you couldnt get that certain yesterday?

That's right. Since I started on play on this site, I can't shake off my scummy aura, which means that I'm usually under attack.

In a weird way, it's become that I seem to only get reads when players attack me because I can judge their agenda better.

Like, I'm not sure that Tanner is scum, he is attacking me nonstop but he could also leave me around as limbait if he were scum, it would be a good strategy.

Ydrasse is a different story, Ydrasse fears my vig shot.

In post 2346, Ircher wrote:Okay, then talk to me about your townreads. You said you were town reading Amy yesterday? Why? Has you read changed since you posted that? (1228)

The only one in that list that I am reconsidering is Pooky. A lot of his posts are hands off and ingratiating himself to other players. Nothing wrong with the latter, but the combination with the former gives me pause.

Can you give link some examples of where you are seeing that? It helps others to understand your read/thoughts.