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Dwlee99, The Limit Does Not Exist, Fairy Circle
RCEnigma, Bingle

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replacing bingle.

In post 2301, Aristeia wrote:I don't really understand the progression from T3 town, t3 NAI, t3 i dont know to T3 is lockscum lets kill him?

Oh no someone I had no read on did something scummy and now I scumread him, what a weird progression

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In post 2326, schadd_ wrote:replacing bingle.

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reinhardt replaces bingle

Hello fellow citizens, I am here because I heard there was beautiful people and fine refreshments.

May I receive a quick de-brief before I attempt to immerse myself in the details?

Where is bertholdt

I believe you have me confused for someone else.

My name is Reinhardt, and I am a mage knight from the land of Thracia. I have a talent for magic, especially in combat applications.

In post 2252, Green Cap Boys wrote:if it's flea, being reminded of THAT GAME means i'm town and tldne is also town

if it's momrangal, being reminded of THAT GAME means i'm a scumfuck

so y'know, kinda important

+1 to wanting to see t3 respond (mabye i'll even bully retti into looking at it)

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I was perusing Green Cap Boys' posts looking for why they voted The Limit Does Not Exist, and this piqued my interest. Might I inquire what "THAT GAME" is?

What happens in fight Club stays in fight Club

Also, sorry you repped into a ded slot

So I think I actually misunderstood what nero was saying when making that post. I do think provable lies are NAI, and this is not a provable lie.

In post 2292, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:

In post 2253, T3 wrote:

Provable[/v] eg. x flipped town but they actually flipped scum or
x claimed odd night not even night

Out of curiosity T3. WHY do you believe provable lies are NAI?

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@T3

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In post 2336, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:

In post 2292, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:

In post 2253, T3 wrote:

Provable[/v] eg. x flipped town but they actually flipped scum or
x claimed odd night not even night

Out of curiosity T3. WHY do you believe provable lies are NAI?

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@T3

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There's no scum motivation for saying that a player flipped town when they didn't and it's more likely they wre confused.

So what part of that doesn't hold for making a subjective statement that obviously nobody will agree with? Do you think that I didn't realize nobody would agree with it?

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It's not entirely subjective as you could argue Norwee has been flufing.

...but I . If that was my plan why didn't I go through with it?

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Because you got called out.

On what?

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Like, if my plan was to say that Norwee was fluffing, then presumably the idea would be respond to "he isn't doing nothing" with "actually, he's fluffing". If nobody responded that way (unlikely), I wouldn't have to have another excuse prepared.

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In post 2340, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:...but I

didn't

. If that was my plan why didn't I go through with it?

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I’m just gonna butt in here and say that i got the impression that you were basically suggesting it, but in an manner where you can also backtrack and say: "i never did say exactly that" but when looking back on the context in which it was said, it is clearly something you implied.

You said i was doing nothing.
The context: i’ve been maning a lot of posts.
Conclusion: I am scum that’s posting a lot of meaningless babble.

What else would your post imply?

Since you were also describing this in your deepwolf narrative that’s the obvious thing to assume.

In post 2330, Reinhardt wrote:Hello fellow citizens, I am here because I heard there was beautiful people and fine refreshments.

May I receive a quick de-brief before I attempt to immerse myself in the details?

So i heard you liked meme accounts…

In post 2046, Dwlee99 wrote:If limit is scum someone is definitely bussing here but none of the pushes feel like bussing so limit is probably just flipping town here.

Counterpoint; could it perhaps be that the reason so many counterwagons to Limit are cropping up be due to the fact that scum really don't want a Limit wagon to go through and are desperate to find a wagon on someone, , for it to not?

Attempts to wagon Bingle (who admittedly could be scum with a fairly decent chance but actually believe it or not I have a stronger scumread on TLDNE than I do Bingle, surprisingly enough, so if there's a town between the two slots and a scum between the two slots I'd be more inclined to think the scum as Limit than Bingle even though I am fully aware both have a good chance to be scum).

Attempts to wagon Fairy Circle (who admittedly could be scum especially if Bingle isn't although I would say this would be weird--Bingle if scum with Limit could feasibly be a wagon scum would prefer if Bingle wasn't lying about zero pain potions in spite of him being scum, meaning if Bingle+Limit were scum and if Bingle had no pain potions, scum would prefer Bingle > Limit as the lim...but Fairy Circle vs. Limit has no such incentive meaning that it makes no sense for scum to wagon Fairy Circle if Fairy Circle were scum with TLDNE).

Attempts, successful to a fair degree, to wagon RCEnigma.

Attempts to wagon T3, with some success.

I think there's been people giving ideas to wagon Dwlee or Norwee although I don't think those attempts are as successful as the above two examples.

I get that the resistance to a Limit elimination is not all scum. Town can be wrong and town even if right can get paranoid, thinking "there's a lack of reliable resistance" or something like that, thinking that no counterwagon which has stuck could be a clearing factor for Limit (which I argue is backwards and that a lack of a sticking counterwagon to Limit is actually evidence that they're scum but I digress).

But I keep looking at all of the counterwagons rising, most of them with lackluster logic and reasoning and something of an air of desperation to them, and I can't help but think, "while town not having good direction can be a part of this, this also has to have scum influence behind it". And that's one of the reasons why I want a Limit elimination.

I think the reasons for Limit to be scum are good, and the reasons for Limit to not be scum are lackluster, and that a Limit flip regardless of their alignment sheds more light on the alignment of all the players by giving us a much better understanding of the gamestate for all of D2 and that with their death, we will have a far better grasp of town vs. scum going into the night and tomorrow.

Now, I can actually explain some of the "Limit-town means x, Limit-scum means y" logic, but given the gamestate right now, one of the reasons I want to stave off doing this and have been saying "I will reveal this on D3" is that honestly: I don't want to do the massive amount of theorywork, theorycrafting, hypothesizing, analysis, for whichever alignment Limit isn't. I want to save the time/effort involved and cut it in half and do all of it after the fact, aided by the information from any flips we get on N2.

I do have a decent mental draft of it in my head. It's not rock-solid, it's not something concrete, but it's something I genuinely believe would be the best for the gamestate and I can explain more...
...On D3.

In post 2102, Bingle wrote:How does your read on me change if limit flips town? Scum?

As hinted at, I can do that now theoretically but I genuinely honestly would just prefer to do this...on D3. After we've got half of the equation. There's a lot of number crunching involved because it doesn't involve just your slot; it also involves every slot in the game and cross-referencing them to get a better lock. Much easier to do with at least half of the possibilities removed, if not more. (For every flip we get N2, the amount of work I need to do lessens. A downside to the scum is that for every kill they make, they reduce the number of players who could be scum and increase the number of players confirmed to be town so unless we eliminate town and the scum can make three eliminations happen on town with none on scum, scum, scum cannot endgame overnight and given scum endgaming overnight requires the stars aligning pretty much perfectly, if they attempt to do this but fail, D3 gives a plethora of flips and information to work with.)

In post 2102, Bingle wrote:Who can’t be scum with limit?

Well, for a start, Green Cap Boys, obviously.
I'd think I'm also fairly clear as well, objectively speaking.

Beyond that we get into the realm of uncertainty and guessing at probabilities versus possibilities in crunching the mental math odds with each slot--and again, I'd prefer to not do that work until D3 after we've either confirmed or denied (anticonfirmed? negative-confirmed?) that the slot is scum.

I COULD do that work now with a LOT of effort, but I really don't have it in me.