Mini Normal 2283 - Game Over!

[Grib]

Was that before or after you got stoned to help you think more clearly?

[Frogsterking]

I'm pleasantly surprised that you're this cooperative with someone you scumread by the way, but it is nice.

Scumtell fyi

[Frogsterking]

Was that before or after you got stoned to help you think more clearly?

Touché

[Aisa]

Where does he show he cares about achieving good mechanical outcomes? What's the significance of telling Bella to hammer that has to come from a villager?

I don't think telling Bella to hammer necessarily has to come from a villager, it's more of a how he told Bella to hammer. Enchant saying "YOU MUST" is true but also funny. It's a true statement delivered in a funny way. It is a joke that it is easier to make if you believe in its truth. Couple that with the fact he could have easily gotten away with not saying anything as scum.

Spoiler: Enchant being repeatedly invested in mechanical plays Aisa approves of

I will be here np

I don't care about claims, mafia plainly claims something sweet to mislim other wagon (unless both mafia lol), so fuck it.

VOTE: BBT

what a way to be sheep

Massclaim?

It's good idea.

We have 2 ded masons, one claimed "Mason", Unlimited Vigilante and Unlimited Doctor. If there's other power, it's dangerously strange then.

Also, from the way it sounds, we’re trying to use the vig shot in place of an elim.

We are at odds, no-lim loses us one chance, and you suggesting it antitown.

Frog hammer for god sake.

Can I hammer?

YOU MUST

VOTE: No Lim

I'm pleasantly surprised that you're this cooperative with someone you scumread by the way, but it is nice.

Scumtell fyi

Oh, I've totally gone for the following two-step plan as scum in elo before:
1. Be polite
2. Ask a townie to re-evaluate their reads until they overthink themselves into a wrong read

Anyway, enough teasing Grib for now, I think I've driven my point home. Tomorrow I think seriously about Frog.

[Grib]

Eh, too easy to fake imo, but thanks.

[Grib]

To be fair, I haven't asked you to evaluate anything. I'm asking you to justify the reads you have, especially ones you've had for a while but have said little about.

[Grib]

Meh, should be RE-evaluate

[Aisa]

Where does he show he cares about achieving good mechanical outcomes? What's the significance of telling Bella to hammer that has to come from a villager?

If you reread the game from a Grib/Elements/BBT perspective, does the game flow naturally? Does the team fit? Have you even reread the game with that team in mind, or are you just like "welp here are the leftovers, die die die"

I did a reread the game a bit over the Night phase and noted that you + Elements fit fairly well. Elements in particular seems more comfortable talking to you than to others. I think I'm due for a more serious reread though.

"Welp here are the leftovers, die die die" doesn't feel like a fair representation. I wasn't trying to state reads until you asked me to and I am still team No Lim, you traitor of the peacekeeping movement.

I really do want to know why Elements is scum beyond being a leftover name. Look at her play over the course of the game and tell me what she was thinking as BBT's buddy, and how she ended up doing the things she did.

I overpromised earlier, I can do this tomorrow. I'll give you a taster though:

Spoiler: Opinions often don't hold up to scrutiny terribly well

@Elements

, why is Bella above null?

*shrug*

VOTE: Aisa

Talk about this?

5 and 228 both ping me. The meta on Frog is eh at best and comes to a conclusion I disagree with. I wanted to have my vote on someone.

What part of my meta on Frog did you disagree with?

Looking back on it a honestly cannot remember

I'm not going to rush it, but unless anyone has any counterarguments to no limming I don't think we need to take the full week either. People can address any things they feel strongly about, Frog can leave probable last words and it would be nice to let Titus post a bit before we go to Night again.

This feels hella scummy.

Why do you find it scummy?

Idk, it felt like you were rushing the game along when I first read it. Feels less scummy on re-reading it.

your tone does seem different now though.

No slot is mechanically confirmed. I don't feel qualified to assess the setup balance and I haven't seen anyone make an argument I trust yet about the setup. I can't see a reason it would hurt except having "one less town voice" and that's a price I would personally pay for having to "tinfoil" one fewer slot.

the "one less town voice" will be Titus

And that is relevant because?

Titus is the most conformably town atm? so we wouldn't be losing a "tinfoil" slot

That is the other thing. Why is she confirmably Town?

i can do that if you want

oh snap we have a vog too

ignore me

[Aisa]

To be fair, I haven't asked you to evaluate anything. I'm asking you to justify the reads you have, especially ones you've had for a while but have said little about.

I think this is arguable since you're talking about me rereading things, but I'm willing to drop this point.

I'm going to bed now. Stay tuned for the next episode of "Will Aisa be able to resist shading to Grib?" tomorrow.

[Grib]

Rereading is something everybody should be doing regardless and is pretty different from reevaluating a specific read.

imo.

[Grib]

Where does he show he cares about achieving good mechanical outcomes? What's the significance of telling Bella to hammer that has to come from a villager?

If you reread the game from a Grib/Elements/BBT perspective, does the game flow naturally? Does the team fit? Have you even reread the game with that team in mind, or are you just like "welp here are the leftovers, die die die"

I did a reread the game a bit over the Night phase and noted that you + Elements fit fairly well. Elements in particular seems more comfortable talking to you than to others. I think I'm due for a more serious reread though.

You think her goading you into voting me to E-1 last phase was a ploy?

You did end up voting me later. why didn't you do it when she asked?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VC 4.02

With 6 players, it takes 4 to make a decision. Day 4 ends in (expired on 2022-11-15 21:30:00).

VC

No elim [1]:

Enchant [2200]

-- note it is only 3 to hammer the no elim option

Grib [1]:

Frogsterking [2193]

Enchant [1]:

Grib [2311]

Not voting [3]:

Titus, Aisa, Elements

Flavor

Spoiler: Schitt's Creek

[Enchant]

I slept well! Now i have these statements.

1. Screw you. We would be better position right now, even if Grib somehow not mafia, but no! Let's elim NM, cuz... Why?
Now mafia can choose who they want to kill.
2. NM was obvtown (well fine ok i had doubts but lesser), but hammering was necessary. And fairly, he would be shot by Vig in No-Lim anyway.
3. I vote no-lim. It makes collecting pure wagon on mafia impossible.
So you either elim town, mafia decides to bus, or i get what i want.

I never change my vote. I refuse to say who i scumread and who I don't. I also will not communicate with anyone else this day, to not give mafia ideas who they shall kill.


Try me.

[Frogsterking]

Screw you. We would be better position right now, even if Grib somehow not mafia, but no! Let's elim NM, cuz... Why?
Now mafia can choose who they want to kill.

This sounds like a statement which would be more likely to come from partners because Enchant usually isn't rude or whatever and if they were in a PT with Grib then he'd know the "Screw you" was meant for distancing and wasn't personal.

[Enchant]

Screw you aimed AT EVERYONE (except Frog), what the fuck you even thinked.

[Frogsterking]

I never change my vote. I refuse to say who i scumread and who I don't. I also will not communicate with anyone else this day, to not give mafia ideas who they shall kill.

I can't help but feel like this is mock anger or scum bravado posted to try and win me over specifically because of this:

I thought titus/eira were a vt trying to bait the night shot, now that they've claimed joat I could swap one of Grib or Enchant out for Titus.

Enchant as scum can read this (and

not

be sleeping) and then be like "If being obstinate caused Frog to Townread Eira, then maybe I can do it now too."

PEdit: speak of the devil

[Frogsterking]

@everyone

Can anyone disprove a Grib/BBT/Enchant team?

[Frogsterking]

what the fuck you even thinked.

Not much, and if it means anything, my heart was in the right place.

[Enchant]

Yes.

[Frogsterking]

Oh, I've totally gone for the following two-step plan as scum in elo before:
1. Be polite
2. Ask a townie to re-evaluate their reads until they overthink themselves into a wrong read

[Aisa]

Where does he show he cares about achieving good mechanical outcomes? What's the significance of telling Bella to hammer that has to come from a villager?

If you reread the game from a Grib/Elements/BBT perspective, does the game flow naturally? Does the team fit? Have you even reread the game with that team in mind, or are you just like "welp here are the leftovers, die die die"

I did a reread the game a bit over the Night phase and noted that you + Elements fit fairly well. Elements in particular seems more comfortable talking to you than to others. I think I'm due for a more serious reread though.

You think her goading you into voting me to E-1 last phase was a ploy?

You did end up voting me later. why didn't you do it when she asked?

Maybe? I'll have to reread.

I wanted to have a reason for voting whoever I voted, "lol Elements said to vote you" is not a reason. I was also definitely salty about her ruining my Frog wagon on Day 2, even if maybe it was for the best, haha.

[Elements]

I really want to vote Enchant

[Enchant]

Is this because i don't have anime girl on avatar?

[Elements]

@everyone

Can anyone disprove a Grib/BBT/Enchant team?

Any reason you're voting Grib over enchant?

[Grib]

@everyone

Can anyone disprove a Grib/BBT/Enchant team?

Can you disprove that you're a mafia doctor?

You've latched onto me being scum based on some experimental mindset analysis, from what I can tell. And it seems like you want me to be mafia to grant your analysis some sort of credence.