I have not ruled out either PR being scum but... probably like 1% chance for each
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 1:00 pm
by SpyreX
Was it ever obvious though? Look at yesterday - it was like pulling teeth.
None of this is ironclad but:
I don't think its AD because Tierce tried ultra hard to throw him to the wolves.
I don't think its els due to the "If Tierce is scum, I hope scum win."
I REALLY dont think its either PR. On top of how silly yesterday would have been PV has no reason to slowplay. Shos is town.
Which really leaves CES/Me/Desp.
I know its not me hurr, I've went on enough about Desp. I don't have super strong feelings about CES.
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 1:05 pm
by Desperado
Vote: ActionDan
Weakest Tierce vote by a lot and I especially didn't like 2309 followed by starting today still suspecting CES/Spy. I don't buy that. Looks like scum slow rolling my mislynch to look better tomorrow.
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 1:33 pm
by SpyreX
Spoiler: D1
ActionDan - 1 -
Shadoweh
Shadoweh
- 1 -
chamber
Majiffy
- 3 -
Majiffy
, ActionDan,
MafiaSSK
Elscouta - 1 - Desperado
TheIrishPope
- 4 -
Tierce
,
Aegor
,
TheIrishPope
,
Espeonage
Tierce
- 1 - shos
Not voting (7):
JacobSavage
, SpyreX,
Albert B. Rampage
, Cogito Ergo Sum,
sirdanilot
, Elscouta, PeregrineV
Shadoweh
- 2 -
chamber
, Desperado
Majiffy
- 2 - ActionDan, shos
TheIrishPope
- 6 -
Tierce
,
Aegor
,
TheIrishPope
,
Espeonage
,
MafiaSSK
, Cogito Ergo Sum
Espeonage
- 1 - SpyreX
shos - 3 -
Majiffy
,
Shadoweh
,
sirdanilot
Not voting (4):
JacobSavage
,
Albert B. Rampage
, Elscouta, PeregrineV
Shadoweh
- 1 - Desperado
Majiffy
- 3 - ActionDan, shos,
sirdanilot
TheIrishPope
- 6 -
Tierce
,
Aegor
,
Espeonage
, Cogito Ergo Sum,
chamber
,
Albert B. Rampage
Espeonage
- 1 - SpyreX
shos - 2 -
Majiffy
,
Shadoweh
Aegor
- 1 - PeregrineV
sirdanilot
- 1 -
TheIrishPope
Not voting (3):
JacobSavage
, Elscouta,
MafiaSSK
Shadoweh
- 2 - Desperado, PeregrineV
Majiffy
- 3 - ActionDan, shos,
sirdanilot
TheIrishPope
- 4 -
Tierce
,
Aegor
, Cogito Ergo Sum,
chamber
Espeonage
- 1 - SpyreX
shos - 2 -
Majiffy
,
Shadoweh
sirdanilot
- 2 - Elscouta,
Albert B. Rampage
Albert B. Rampage
- 1 -
TheIrishPope
Not voting (3):
JacobSavage
,
MafiaSSK
,
Espeonage
,
Shadoweh
- 2 - Desperado, PeregrineV
Majiffy
- 2 - ActionDan, shos
TheIrishPope
- 4 -
Tierce
,
Aegor
, Cogito Ergo Sum,
chamber
Espeonage
- 1 - SpyreX
shos - 2 -
Majiffy
,
Shadoweh
sirdanilot
- 3 - Elscouta,
Albert B. Rampage
,
Espeonage
Albert B. Rampage
- 2 -
TheIrishPope
,
sirdanilot
Not voting (2):
JacobSavage
,
MafiaSSK
Shadoweh
- 2 - Desperado, PeregrineV
Majiffy
- 2 - ActionDan, shos
TheIrishPope
- 4 -
Tierce
,
Aegor
, Cogito Ergo Sum,
chamber
Espeonage
- 1 - SpyreX
shos - 2 -
Majiffy
,
Shadoweh
sirdanilot
- 3 - Elscouta,
Albert B. Rampage
,
Espeonage
Albert B. Rampage
- 2 -
TheIrishPope
,
sirdanilot
Not voting (2):
JacobSavage
,
MafiaSSK
Shadoweh
- 2 - Desperado, PeregrineV
Majiffy
- 2 - ActionDan, shos
TheIrishPope
- 5 -
Tierce
,
Aegor
, Cogito Ergo Sum,
chamber
,
Majiffy
Espeonage
- 1 - SpyreX
shos - 1 -
Shadoweh
sirdanilot
- 3 - Elscouta,
Albert B. Rampage
,
Espeonage
Albert B. Rampage
- 1 -
TheIrishPope
JacobSavage
- 1 -
sirdanilot
Not voting (2):
JacobSavage
,
Shadoweh
- 2 - Desperado, PeregrineV
Majiffy
- 2 - ActionDan, shos
TheIrishPope
- 4 -
Aegor
, Cogito Ergo Sum,
chamber
,
Majiffy
Espeonage
- 1 - SpyreX
shos - 1 -
Shadoweh
sirdanilot
- 3 - Elscouta,
Albert B. Rampage
,
Espeonage
Albert B. Rampage
- 1 -
TheIrishPope
JacobSavage
- 2 -
sirdanilot
,
Tierce
Not voting (2):
JacobSavage
,
MafiaSSK
Shadoweh
- 2 - Desperado, PeregrineV
Majiffy
- 3 - ActionDan, shos,
TheIrishPope
TheIrishPope
- 3 -
Aegor
,
chamber
,
Majiffy
Espeonage
- 3 - SpyreX,
Shadoweh
,
sirdanilot
sirdanilot
- 2 -
Albert B. Rampage
,
Espeonage
JacobSavage
- 2 -
Tierce
, Elscouta
MafiaSSK
- 1 - Cogito Ergo Sum
Not voting (2):
JacobSavage
,
MafiaSSK
Shadoweh
- 2 - Desperado, PeregrineV
Majiffy
- 4 - ActionDan, shos,
TheIrishPope
,
Espeonage
TheIrishPope
- 2 -
Aegor
,
Majiffy
Espeonage
- 3 - SpyreX,
Shadoweh
,
sirdanilot
sirdanilot
- 1 -
Albert B. Rampage
JacobSavage
- 2 -
Tierce
, Elscouta
MafiaSSK
- 2 - Cogito Ergo Sum,
chamber
Not voting (2):
JacobSavage
,
MafiaSSK
Shadoweh
- 2 - Desperado, PeregrineV
Majiffy
- 4 - ActionDan, shos,
Espeonage
,
Aegor
TheIrishPope
- 1 -
Majiffy
Espeonage
- 4 - SpyreX,
Shadoweh
,
sirdanilot
,
TheIrishPope
sirdanilot
- 1 -
Albert B. Rampage
JacobSavage
- 2 -
Tierce
, Elscouta
MafiaSSK
- 2 - Cogito Ergo Sum,
chamber
Not voting (2):
JacobSavage
,
MafiaSSK
Shadoweh
- 1 - PeregrineV
Majiffy
- 5 - ActionDan, shos,
Espeonage
,
Aegor
, Desperado
TheIrishPope
- 1 -
Majiffy
Espeonage
- 4 - SpyreX,
Shadoweh
,
sirdanilot
,
TheIrishPope
sirdanilot
- 1 -
Albert B. Rampage
JacobSavage
- 2 -
Tierce
, Elscouta
MafiaSSK
- 2 - Cogito Ergo Sum,
chamber
Not voting (2):
JacobSavage
,
MafiaSSK
Shadoweh
- 1 - PeregrineV
Majiffy
- 4 - shos,
Espeonage
,
Aegor
, Desperado
Espeonage
- 5 - SpyreX,
Shadoweh
,
sirdanilot
,
TheIrishPope
,
Majiffy
sirdanilot
- 1 -
Albert B. Rampage
JacobSavage
- 2 -
Tierce
, Elscouta
MafiaSSK
- 3 - Cogito Ergo Sum,
chamber
, ActionDan
Not voting (2):
JacobSavage
,
MafiaSSK
Shadoweh
- 1 - PeregrineV
Majiffy
- 1 - Desperado
Espeonage
- 4 - SpyreX,
Shadoweh
,
TheIrishPope
,
Majiffy
sirdanilot
- 1 -
Albert B. Rampage
JacobSavage
- 2 -
Tierce
, Elscouta
MafiaSSK
- 6 - Cogito Ergo Sum,
chamber
, ActionDan,
Aegor
,
sirdanilot
,
Espeonage
ActionDan - 1 - shos
Not voting (2):
JacobSavage
,
MafiaSSK
Shadoweh
- 1 - PeregrineV
Majiffy
- 1 - Desperado
Espeonage
- 7 - SpyreX,
Shadoweh
,
Majiffy
, Cogito Ergo Sum,
sirdanilot
,
MafiaSSK
, ActionDan
sirdanilot
- 1 -
Albert B. Rampage
JacobSavage
- 2 -
Tierce
, Elscouta
MafiaSSK
- 2 -
chamber
,
TheIrishPope
ActionDan - 1 - shos
PeregrineV - 1 -
Aegor
Not voting (2):
JacobSavage
,
Espeonage
Shadoweh
- 1 - PeregrineV
Majiffy
- 1 - Desperado
Espeonage
- 6 - SpyreX, Cogito Ergo Sum,
sirdanilot
,
MafiaSSK
, ActionDan, shos
sirdanilot
- 1 -
Albert B. Rampage
JacobSavage
- 2 -
Tierce
, Elscouta
MafiaSSK
- 2 -
chamber
,
TheIrishPope
PeregrineV - 1 -
Aegor
TheIrishPope
- 3 -
Majiffy
,
Shadoweh
,
Espeonage
Not voting (1):
JacobSavage
Shadoweh
- 1 - PeregrineV
Espeonage
- 3 - SpyreX,
MafiaSSK
, ActionDan
sirdanilot
- 1 -
Albert B. Rampage
JacobSavage
- 5 -
Tierce
, Elscouta, Desperado,
sirdanilot
, shos
MafiaSSK
- 2 -
chamber
,
TheIrishPope
PeregrineV - 1 -
Aegor
TheIrishPope
- 4 -
Majiffy
,
Shadoweh
,
Espeonage
, Cogito Ergo Sum
Not voting (1):
JacobSavage
Shadoweh
- 1 - PeregrineV
Espeonage
- 2 - SpyreX, ActionDan
JacobSavage
- 7 -
Tierce
, Desperado,
sirdanilot
, shos,
Albert B. Rampage
,
MafiaSSK
,
Aegor
TheIrishPope
- 5 -
Majiffy
,
Shadoweh
,
Espeonage
, Cogito Ergo Sum, Elscouta
Tierce
- 2 -
chamber
,
TheIrishPope
sirdanilot
- 1 -
JacobSavage
Not voting (0)
Espeonage
- 1 - SpyreX
JacobSavage
- 3 -
Albert B. Rampage
,
Aegor
,
Shadoweh
TheIrishPope
- 2 -
Espeonage
, Cogito Ergo Sum
Tierce
- 3 -
chamber
, PeregrineV,
MafiaSSK
Cogito Ergo Sum - 1 - Desperado
Aegor
- 6 - ActionDan, Elscouta,
Majiffy
,
sirdanilot
,
JacobSavage
, shos
Not voting (2):
TheIrishPope
,
Tierce
Espeonage
- 1 - SpyreX
JacobSavage
- 1 -
Albert B. Rampage
TheIrishPope
- 2 -
Espeonage
, Cogito Ergo Sum
Tierce
- 1 - PeregrineV
Cogito Ergo Sum - 1 - Desperado
Aegor
- 9 - ActionDan, Elscouta,
Majiffy
,
sirdanilot
,
JacobSavage
, shos,
chamber
,
Shadoweh
,
MafiaSSK
ActionDan - 1 -
Aegor
Not voting (2):
TheIrishPope
,
Tierce
Espeonage
- 1 - SpyreX
JacobSavage
- 1 -
Albert B. Rampage
TheIrishPope
- 2 -
Espeonage
, Cogito Ergo Sum
Aegor
- 10 - ActionDan, Elscouta,
Majiffy
,
sirdanilot
,
JacobSavage
, shos,
chamber
,
Shadoweh
,
MafiaSSK
, PeregrineV
ActionDan - 1 -
Aegor
sirdanilot
- 1 - Desperado
Not voting (2):
TheIrishPope
,
Tierce
Spoiler: D2
ActionDan - 1 - shos
Espeonage
- 3 -
sirdanilot
, SpyreX, Cogito Ergo Sum
Tierce
- 1 - ActionDan
Cogito Ergo Sum - 1 -
Tierce
Not voting (10):
JacobSavage
,
Majiffy
,
MafiaSSK
,
Espeonage
,
Albert B. Rampage
, Desperado, Elscouta, PeregrineV,
TheIrishPope
,
Shadoweh
ActionDan - 1 - shos
Espeonage
- 2 -
sirdanilot
, SpyreX
Tierce
- 1 - ActionDan
Cogito Ergo Sum - 1 -
Tierce
Majiffy
- 1 -
TheIrishPope
TheIrishPope
- 1 - Cogito Ergo Sum
Not voting (9):
JacobSavage
,
Majiffy
,
MafiaSSK
,
Espeonage
,
Albert B. Rampage
, Desperado, PeregrineV,
Shadoweh
, Elscouta
Espeonage
- 2 -
sirdanilot
, SpyreX
Tierce
- 1 - ActionDan
Cogito Ergo Sum - 2 -
Tierce
, shos
Majiffy
- 1 -
TheIrishPope
TheIrishPope
- 1 - Cogito Ergo Sum
Albert B. Rampage
- 1 - Elscouta
Not voting (8):
JacobSavage
,
Majiffy
,
MafiaSSK
,
Espeonage
,
Albert B. Rampage
, Desperado, PeregrineV,
Shadoweh
Espeonage
- 1 - SpyreX
Tierce
- 1 - ActionDan
Cogito Ergo Sum - 1 -
Tierce
Majiffy
- 1 -
TheIrishPope
Albert B. Rampage
- 1 - Elscouta
sirdanilot
- 3 - Desperado,
Espeonage
, shos
Desperado - 3 - Cogito Ergo Sum,
sirdanilot
,
Shadoweh
Not voting (5):
JacobSavage
,
Majiffy
,
MafiaSSK
,
Albert B. Rampage
, PeregrineV
Espeonage
- 1 - SpyreX
Tierce
- 1 - ActionDan
Cogito Ergo Sum - 1 -
Tierce
Majiffy
- 1 -
TheIrishPope
Albert B. Rampage
- 1 - Elscouta
sirdanilot
- 3 - Desperado,
Espeonage
, shos
Desperado - 4 - Cogito Ergo Sum,
sirdanilot
,
Shadoweh
,
Albert B. Rampage
Not voting (4):
JacobSavage
,
Majiffy
,
MafiaSSK
, PeregrineV
Espeonage
- 1 - SpyreX
Tierce
- 1 - ActionDan
Cogito Ergo Sum - 1 -
Tierce
Majiffy
- 1 -
TheIrishPope
Albert B. Rampage
- 1 - Elscouta
sirdanilot
- 3 - Desperado,
Espeonage
, shos
Desperado - 4 - Cogito Ergo Sum,
sirdanilot
,
Shadoweh
,
Albert B. Rampage
Shadoweh
- 1 -
Majiffy
Not voting (3):
JacobSavage
,
MafiaSSK
, PeregrineV
Espeonage
- 1 - SpyreX
Tierce
- 1 - ActionDan
Cogito Ergo Sum - 1 -
Tierce
Majiffy
- 1 -
TheIrishPope
Albert B. Rampage
- 2 - Elscouta, PeregrineV
sirdanilot
- 3 - Desperado,
Espeonage
, shos
Desperado - 4 - Cogito Ergo Sum,
sirdanilot
,
Shadoweh
,
Albert B. Rampage
Shadoweh
- 1 -
Majiffy
Not voting (2):
JacobSavage
,
MafiaSSK
Espeonage
- 1 - SpyreX
Tierce
- 2 - ActionDan,
Albert B. Rampage
Majiffy
- 1 -
TheIrishPope
Albert B. Rampage
- 3 - Elscouta, PeregrineV,
Tierce
sirdanilot
- 2 - Desperado,
Espeonage
Desperado - 2 - Cogito Ergo Sum,
sirdanilot
PeregrineV - 3 - shos,
Majiffy
,
Shadoweh
Not voting (2):
JacobSavage
,
MafiaSSK
Espeonage
- 1 - SpyreX
Tierce
- 1 - ActionDan
Majiffy
- 1 -
TheIrishPope
Albert B. Rampage
- 3 - Elscouta, PeregrineV,
Tierce
sirdanilot
- 2 - Desperado,
Espeonage
Desperado - 1 - Cogito Ergo Sum
PeregrineV - 5 - shos,
- 7 - PeregrineV, shos, Cogito Ergo Sum, Elscouta,
sirdanilot
, ActionDan, Desperado
Spoiler: D5
Espeonage
- 2 - SpyreX,
sirdanilot
ActionDan - 1 -
Tierce
Desperado - 1 - Cogito Ergo Sum
Not voting (6): shos, ActionDan,
Espeonage
, Desperado, Elscouta, PeregrineV
Espeonage
- 1 - SpyreX
ActionDan - 1 -
Tierce
Desperado - 1 - Cogito Ergo Sum
Tierce
- 3 - PeregrineV,
sirdanilot
, shos
sirdanilot
- 1 - Desperado
Not voting (3): ActionDan,
Espeonage
, Elscouta
Espeonage
- 1 - SpyreX
ActionDan - 1 -
Tierce
Desperado - 1 - Cogito Ergo Sum
Tierce
- 4 - PeregrineV,
sirdanilot
, Elscouta, shos
sirdanilot
- 1 - Desperado
Not voting (2): ActionDan,
Espeonage
Espeonage
- 1 - SpyreX
ActionDan - 1 -
Tierce
Desperado - 1 - Cogito Ergo Sum
Tierce
- 3 - PeregrineV,
sirdanilot
, shos
sirdanilot
- 1 - Desperado
Not voting (3): ActionDan,
Espeonage
, Elscouta,
Espeonage
- 1 - SpyreX
ActionDan - 1 -
Tierce
Desperado - 1 - Cogito Ergo Sum
Tierce
- 4 - PeregrineV,
sirdanilot
,
Espeonage
, ActionDan
sirdanilot
- 2 - Desperado, shos
Not voting (1): Elscouta
Espeonage
- 1 - SpyreX
ActionDan - 1 -
Tierce
Desperado - 1 - Cogito Ergo Sum
Tierce
- 4 - PeregrineV,
sirdanilot
,
Espeonage
, ActionDan
sirdanilot
- 2 - Desperado, shos
Not voting (1): Elscouta
Espeonage
- 4 - SpyreX,
sirdanilot
,
Tierce
, Elscouta
Desperado - 2 - Cogito Ergo Sum,
Espeonage
Tierce
- 2 - PeregrineV, ActionDan
sirdanilot
- 2 - Desperado, shos
Not voting (0)
Marginally better about CES and AD.
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:01 pm
by Elscouta
So we get an extra lynch?
3 shots to catch all scum. If we rule out PV and shos, it leaves SpyreX, ActionDan, Desp and CES. ActionDan is pseudo-cleared by PV and SpyreX #2351 sounds very good (and basically a digging his own grave if he is scum). So i would be for lynching Desp and CES. The other is pretty much irrelevant.
3 shots to catch all scum. If we rule out PV and shos, it leaves SpyreX, ActionDan, Desp and CES. ActionDan is pseudo-cleared by PV and SpyreX #2351 sounds very good (and basically a digging his own grave if he is scum). So i would be for lynching Desp and CES. The other is pretty much irrelevant.
s/other/order/
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:24 pm
by Cogito Ergo Sum
Yeah, Desp feels like he's contrary on purpose. Plus, I remember Tierce needlessly defending him earlier.
Could just be a missed Night action, to be fair, not sure. Let's just
Vote: Desperado
for now.
In post 2347, SpyreX wrote:Between the NK, Tierce yesterday in regards to AD vs Desp and the fact that this pretty much ties up PV and Shos as town I think we be good.
It looks like one left, can't RB and kill.
Unvote, Vote: Desp
The only problem I have with a Desp vote is stuff like this:
In post 2341, shos wrote:No kill. Massclaim? I was not blocked tonight, no lies
Results?
@shos-
Results?
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:58 pm
by SpyreX
@PV:
I'm not sure what you're lookin for there? It was like pulling teeth and its not a hard argument to make that holding the last hope because getting knocked to one with double-fucked PR's is not a place scum want to be right now.
The problem is I can make arguments for literally everyone but you and shos being scum.
I'm still floored that I'm not getting the white hot irons because I even said that I was surprised the SpyreX-Tierce angle wasn't pushed before she was lynched once esp flipped town since I derailed the shit out of that.
Els and Desp defending Tierce yesterday confuses in each way. I don't see the rationale for foot down hard there and I'm pretty sure Els helped start the 5 man scumteam jabberwocky. The "if you're scum I hope you win" COULD be cheeky as scum expecting to go down beforehand but.
AD's big save is being lit up by tierce and, if he was scum, being the scum RB but again Tierce had hot firey death planned for most of her allies and that kinda fit that bill.
CES is still just kind of there in my head and ~meta~ could definitely make the argument for some of the things this game (chamber kill, double ABR block assuming he was lying, kinda just there).
So talk it through with me here. I'm not even gonna /wrists if I go but all I ask is sooner versus later.
I'm not sure what you're lookin for there? It was like pulling teeth and its not a hard argument to make that holding the last hope because getting knocked to one with double-fucked PR's is not a place scum want to be right now.
The problem is I can make arguments for literally everyone but you and shos being scum.
I'm still floored that I'm not getting the white hot irons because I even said that I was surprised the SpyreX-Tierce angle wasn't pushed before she was lynched once esp flipped town since I derailed the shit out of that.
Els and Desp defending Tierce yesterday confuses in each way. I don't see the rationale for foot down hard there and I'm pretty sure Els helped start the 5 man scumteam jabberwocky. The "if you're scum I hope you win" COULD be cheeky as scum expecting to go down beforehand but.
AD's big save is being lit up by tierce and, if he was scum, being the scum RB but again Tierce had hot firey death planned for most of her allies and that kinda fit that bill.
CES is still just kind of there in my head and ~meta~ could definitely make the argument for some of the things this game (chamber kill, double ABR block assuming he was lying, kinda just there).
So talk it through with me here. I'm not even gonna /wrists if I go but all I ask is sooner versus later.
Exactly that.
And it's true. My plan was to look back at Tirece/Shadow/Jacob stuff from day1, 2, and 3. Before anyone was "caught".