here was a point a decent amount into my career where i had yet to cast a vote against a scumbuddy
pretty sure that's no longer true but i don't really remember any of my most recent scumgames
ok this is what i was getting at.
besides for nos you've only voted people who flipped; incidentally all of those people flipped town
and what i wanted to check is as scum if you really avoid pushing your partners like at all
if you're going to take this as an alignment indicative point, don't you think that's the kind of thing you should check rather than just taking my word for it? (and really only taking the first part of my word there)
this is part of my BOP thing with you - have you had towngames where you've never pushed scum in xylo?
only very early on in my "career"
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:42 am
by skitter30
In post 2347, northsidegal wrote:it's not like anything was really sacrificed from that sequence of events. a fruit vend is pretty useless and unless they were concerned about some remaining investigative or something then using what they have in a series of events designed such that the complicated nature of things makes it look like they're not partnered is just the smart thing to do.
like i agree it's not clearing but just like ... why
it's such a silly way to use switcheroo - shoshin did have a point that she could have theoretically used it the night before kokichi got lynched to get a townie lynched to get kokichi quicklynched in lylo to just win
like it's just a waste and kinda pointless
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:43 am
by northsidegal
you're assuming that shoshin did the switcheroo yesterday. is that true?
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:44 am
by northsidegal
i mean i think this whole time we've also been assuming that shoshin has been telling the truth about having switcheroo but if shoshin and gamma are both scum that isn't even necessarily true, is it?
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:44 am
by skitter30
In post 2350, northsidegal wrote:if you're going to take this as an alignment indicative point, don't you think that's the kind of thing you should check rather than just taking my word for it? (and really only taking the first part of my word there)
i mean i asked you like a week ago if you could link your scumgames so that i could check it because picking out individual scumgames out of someone's list of topics is a pain; that's why i asked
i did it but the recent ones that i found you got replaced so idk if that's really indicative of anything or if i missed more recent ones
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:47 am
by skitter30
In post 2352, northsidegal wrote:you're assuming that shoshin did the switcheroo yesterday. is that true?
that's a fair point
i know i got fruit from gamma last night
i know that shoshin claims to have swapped me and her and tracked gamma to me
i know that gamma claims ot have given it to shoshin
the last two points could have theoretically made up for all i know
but then what did she do with it?
i guess you can say she never had it but like ... what did she do with all that gold?
i mean tbf it's mylo and i still don't know what she did with the jk or nea so i guess that's not completely implausible
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:50 am
by northsidegal
In post 2355, skitter30 wrote:but then what did she do with it?
i guess you can say she never had it but like ... what did she do with all that gold?
tracking people each night? ascetic / self watch each night? both of these? not sure.
mainly my point is that when i got reminded of shoshin saying something about how we'd have to lynch you if we wanted to lynch her or the inverse or something it just got me thinking how great of a plan to fake that it'd be as scum. even if you scumclaimed you would still get someone else lynched.
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:51 am
by skitter30
yeah she wanted to lynch herself to lynch me - oh right that's why i believed it because that's a really really dumb thing to proposeif you don't have switcheroo
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:52 am
by northsidegal
also honestly i think shoshin's most recent play (maybe even her play ever since around day 2 / 3) makes sense in the context of having some kind of strategy where even if you're scummy you still win - if i had that strategy then i would probably not really put in all that much effort because you just wouldn't even really need to. it might even be better to
not
put in effort to get people to scumread you and buy into the lie of switcheroo and then lynch your claimed "target"
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:53 am
by northsidegal
In post 2359, skitter30 wrote:yeah she wanted to lynch herself to lynch me - oh right that's why i believed it because that's a really really dumb thing to proposeif you don't have switcheroo
i don't think scum honestly thinks they can mislynch you here. has anyone except shoshin at the start of the day even brought up you being scum?
In post 2355, skitter30 wrote:but then what did she do with it?
i guess you can say she never had it but like ... what did she do with all that gold?
tracking people each night? ascetic / self watch each night? both of these? not sure.
mainly my point is that when i got reminded of shoshin saying something about how we'd have to lynch you if we wanted to lynch her or the inverse or something it just got me thinking how great of a plan to fake that it'd be as scum. even if you scumclaimed you would still get someone else lynched.
she definitely proposed lynching herself to lynch me and not the other way around
lynching herself (without switcheroo) as scum in xylo is like ... not a smart thing to do and townspews me
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:54 am
by xyzzy
this is xyzzy, your moderator, your best friend, and your fear that your best days are behind you.
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:54 am
by northsidegal
In post 1930, Shoshin wrote:To be clear, this game would already be over if I were scum, because I have switcheroo.
interesting quote in the context of what i was talking about
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:55 am
by skitter30
In post 2137, Shoshin wrote:Anyway, we need to lynch me (i.e. Skitter) and NSG. That should win us the game.
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:55 am
by northsidegal
(when i say "interesting", really i mean "this person is really probably scum", but just with less aggressive presentation)
In post 2359, skitter30 wrote:yeah she wanted to lynch herself to lynch me - oh right that's why i believed it because that's a really really dumb thing to proposeif you don't have switcheroo
i don't think scum honestly thinks they can mislynch you here. has anyone except shoshin at the start of the day even brought up you being scum?
shoshin + i think porkens
i think they might htink i'm lynchable because otherwise idk why i'm still alive
(although tbf i get left alive for xylo a lot more than i really should even when i'm hilariously not lynchable so /shrug)
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:57 am
by northsidegal
In post 2362, skitter30 wrote:she definitely proposed lynching herself to lynch me and not the other way around
lynching herself (without switcheroo) as scum in xylo is like ... not a smart thing to do and townspews me
are you saying that voting herself was something that she actually planned on doing? i don't think that's actually the case.
In post 1930, Shoshin wrote:To be clear, this game would already be over if I were scum, because I have switcheroo.
interesting quote in the context of what i was talking about
so your theory is that she had to 'prove' that she had switcheroo and that's what happened last night
she either used it or she's scum with gamma (or both) in order for all the claims to make sense
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:59 am
by northsidegal
In post 2369, skitter30 wrote:so your theory is that she had to 'prove' that she had switcheroo and that's what happened last night
she either used it or she's scum with gamma (or both) in order for all the claims to make sense
those aren't mutually exclusive
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:00 am
by skitter30
i do think it was weird she was scumreading me at the start of the day because it came out of nowhere and like there are easier mislynches around
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:00 am
by northsidegal
In post 2369, skitter30 wrote:so your theory is that she had to 'prove' that she had switcheroo and that's what happened last night
the point i was trying to make was moreso the idea that "this game is already won if i'm scum" is a mindset consistent with the way shoshin has been playing
In post 2362, skitter30 wrote:she definitely proposed lynching herself to lynch me and not the other way around
lynching herself (without switcheroo) as scum in xylo is like ... not a smart thing to do and townspews me
are you saying that voting herself was something that she actually planned on doing? i don't think that's actually the case.
ok i think you're town (or at least enough not to lynch you today) +
i'm happy i didnt lolhammer earlier (i was getting kinda close tbh)
mostly because the things you're saying enough rn are sufficiently nuanced + thought-provoking; your thoughts in the isos you've just linked are a lot more surface-level if that makes sense
In post 2369, skitter30 wrote:so your theory is that she had to 'prove' that she had switcheroo and that's what happened last night
the point i was trying to make was moreso the idea that "this game is already won if i'm scum" is a mindset consistent with the way shoshin has been playing
although yes, that's also a very real motivation
as the game goes on scum!me just loses motivation to post, especially if i know i effectively won the game and that i've just got to go through the motions
i'm kinda wondering if she gets like that
i think i have to track down a scumgame from her
also the lack of WIM is just kinda ???? weird and nothing like prez
i also really, really, really hate that she isn't being forthcoming with reads and that she hasn't claimed and that i don't know what she's done w ith gacha