Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Day One Wagon]

FL says that scum wouldn't kill him, if they know he's caffeinated

Yes, that's not correct. With only 4 addicts (1-4 of which are scum!) scum are very much on track to win by parity, not caffiene. For example in this game state if we had an innocent child who was confirmed to be caffiene addicted, the scum would shoot that player every time.

I wouldn't kill IC, unless that IC was really strong player and I'd kill them no matter what role they are

Bingle help me with this

IC by itself isn't that threatening, it's just that you can't ML them. Early game priority is to remove strong PRs and strong town players, late game IC becomes dangerous and you remove them, when there no more other real threats left

As for Bingle, he saw me letting D1 IC live in Fallout, my replacement killed IC N4 i think

[popsofctown]

Ok whatever you can procrastinate shooting an IC

My point is that caffeine has very little sway on the nightkill choices right now with 4 addicted.

[chennisden]

Day 1, Chandar, Marquis have one scum in them at least.

I make these kind of posts for later in the game, and then cross cancel.

Well Marquis isnt scum I think

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Bingle/JJD - the towns in you wanna look at their weak ass reasoning for scumFL?

It’s literally just “oh, he’d Do that as either alignment, he’s scum.”

Excuse me??!!! Where did I say I have a SR on you??

[Flavor Leaf]

Bingle/JJD - the towns in you wanna look at their weak ass reasoning for scumFL?

It’s literally just “oh, he’d Do that as either alignment, he’s scum.”

Excuse me??!!! Where did I say I have a SR on you??

You misinterpreted.

I’m coming to you because I want you to look at Marquis/D1/Chandaar and their reasonings.

I’m trusting you and Bingle.

[Bingle]

Marquis is old crowd. I think Chandra is older crowd. I’m not sure where DoL is coming from, tbh.

This is a good old fashioned policy wagon of the LAL variety, and the nostalgia is strong. Still it’s a red herring. It’s not going anywhere and it’s not intended to. If any of them is scum, they want you to be loud and outraged because loud outraged you is ineffective non gamesolving you. If any of them is scum, their buddies will have already told them this wagon is going nowhere fast, which means we need to look at what they’re distracting you from.

In other news, I’ve been pushing jjd and pops because they’re obvscum. I’m fucking solid on it. Like, Dannflor and sheep in that game where Nancy wouldn’t let us lynch sheep solid. Fuck it, maybe you’re right and JJD is Xtox, (he’s not, but we can have that fight after the pops red flip) but at least look at pops. She’s been making a habit of pushing people (like you with perry) into doing her dirty work for her so she can come off smelling like roses. And 2024 was both TMI-y and smug as fuck. Town sold on scum perry doesn’t just turn around and go “btw this mislynch is totally your fault kthxbye” in twilight before the flip.

[popsofctown]

It was not totally his fault it was partially his fault.

I thought suggesting scenarios where I don't lynch him would be nicer rather than meaner

But if it was meaner I feel even worse

I think I would have to do it again given the way the posts went but it's icky


Ftr LAL is good mafia in 2019, I lynched scum off of it earlier this year

[Chandra Nalaar]

I have no idea why I'm being attributed a push that I'm not making.

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s exactly why. It’s stances and implications.

@Bingle - I’ve had plenty of run ins with old age players in my time to know when something is off. Scum Old School players always push me like this.

And I’m not exactly a New Age player here either. I’ve been here for the past 5 and a half years.

[Flavor Leaf]

People keep talking to me like I’m some new upstart hotshot, but there’s been multiple eras of me as a player already, so this is definitely not the case.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, the town games where I’m completely off, usually are town wins anyways, I just become the devil’s advocate voice of reason and help slingshot the town who has the correct reads and help them explain why specific players are actually scum because they’re trying to convince me.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Bingle - let’s go Pops tomorrow. I want to talk to them one more night.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ftr LAL is good mafia in 2019, I lynched scum off of it earlier this year

Yeah, I agree.

I don’t lie, though. I just state things that aren’t true for reactions.

[Chandra Nalaar]

I have no idea why I'm being attributed a push that I'm not making.

Wishing doesnt make it so.

[Flavor Leaf]

I disagree. I usually want something into existence enough to make it happen.

I’m an optimistic dreamer.

[Chandra Nalaar]

I bet you watched/read The Secret and were like oh damn this is a really revolutionary idea

[popsofctown]

What about the end of ghostbusters

[Flavor Leaf]

I bet you watched/read The Secret and were like oh damn this is a really revolutionary idea

Nah, I only think my own ideas are revolutionary.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t even know what The Secret is

[Flavor Leaf]

And if we’re talking narratively, I can spend hours analyzing and explaining how to fix a good majority of most pop culture film and literature so that a lot of their points hit stronger

[chennisden]

idk what to make of bingle slot honestly.

[Day One Wagon]

Marquis is old crowd. I think Chandra is older crowd. I’m not sure where DoL is coming from, tbh.

This is a good old fashioned policy wagon of the LAL variety, and the nostalgia is strong. Still it’s a red herring. It’s not going anywhere and it’s not intended to. If any of them is scum, they want you to be loud and outraged because loud outraged you is ineffective non gamesolving you. If any of them is scum, their buddies will have already told them this wagon is going nowhere fast, which means we need to look at what they’re distracting you from.

In other news, I’ve been pushing jjd and pops because they’re obvscum. I’m fucking solid on it. Like, Dannflor and sheep in that game where Nancy wouldn’t let us lynch sheep solid. Fuck it, maybe you’re right and JJD is Xtox, (he’s not, but we can have that fight after the pops red flip) but at least look at pops. She’s been making a habit of pushing people (like you with perry) into doing her dirty work for her so she can come off smelling like roses. And 2024 was both TMI-y and smug as fuck. Town sold on scum perry doesn’t just turn around and go “btw this mislynch is totally your fault kthxbye” in twilight before the flip.

I just have allergy to bs

[Vecna]

JJD is town

if you could like align on my reads, or on the theory arguments, either one, that'd be great.
because an 80/20 read like Pelipper was, you do still have to lynch that, vig claims or not. The probability of blocking a useful scum night action + the probability of vig disruption weighs too heavily.
If he was like, somewhat more likely to flip scum than rand, then sure you do the vigs sort it out thing
It comes off as being overly concerned about not properly emulating town!Bingle to the point you don't capture his pragmatic side I think

@FL yes I see

Ofhrz was who scum was trying to lynch to allow for Pelican/Myself to shoot at each other

I'm going to tell you a story:

ofrhz, D1L, chen (formerly Gork) and I are in a PT. We are all 1-shot Doctors of

unknown sanities

. One of us is a CPR Doctor (kills the target if not attacked). One is Naive (does absolutely nothing). One is Paranoid (JK) and one is Normal Sane. We just duno which is which, so we're all semi-useless.

I suggested we all target someone in the unkillable PT, and thus become all unkillable ourselves. We only needed ONE of Vecna/Marquis to stay caffeine-free and we would proceed to lynch from outside our "new" hood until everyone else is either dead or confirmed, then we lynch Bingle (if he doesn't scum claim earlier by using his voting powers).

Although all 3 were basically against the idea and wanted to act as a caffeine buffer; it was ofrhz' arguments that smelled the most (or at all, really). The other two were trying to understand and argue with logic. ofrhz wasn't even reading the thread properly and kept asking really silly questions in an attempt to shoot down the idea (which I KNOW would have taken scum by surprise, and the only weakness would have been if BOTH Marquis & Vecna have acted on N1).

Anyway, ofrhz' arguments included (but weren't limited to) asking if we even knew we would get the reflexice RB modifier if we joined that PT... TWICE. Like it wasn't enough that it was mention in this thread on D1, and it wasn't enough D1L did answer her in the very next post, so she had to ask the same question 80 posts later after having tried several other arguments.

I'll let both D1L & chenn report what else happened in the PT, but suffice it to say

if there is scum in our PT

I'm betting the game it is ofrhz

Wow this is some A+ cherrypicking

JJD and I both came into the night scumreading each other. After some 1v1ing, I said I was starting to be unsure about JJD being scum. And then later JJD proposed that if all four of us in the doc hood townread each other, we should act as a masonry and target the reflexive RB hood to be NK immune.

I said that didn't make sense because none of us were likely NK targets, so it just seemed like a waste of caffeine, and we didn't even all townread each other anyway.

Anyway there wasn't that much interest in JJD's plan from anyone else atp

Later JJD said that he would target one of the reflexive RBs to get into their hood just to make us angry

I said repeatedly that JJD's justification (which is in the quoted post) for getting into the hood seemed bad and I didn't understand how it would benefit town

It seemed scummy because if JJD got into the hood, he would be immune to invest and vig shots so there's more scum motivation than town motivation to get into the reflexive RB hood imo

Yes I thought him submitting a night action was bad so I repeatedly tried to get him to not do it. I spent a lot of time trying to engage him, but you wouldn't have guessed in his version of events.

Yeah this slot is town and people stating otherwise should get some serious looking at themselves.

Also, the pops reasoning and justification on pelican only focusses on the mechanical side of things. not a good vibe im getting.

[Vecna]

I really don't think Bingle is scum anymore.

I'd very much like to lunch o-guy, pls.
VOTE: ojrvz

oof

[Vecna]

Marquis is scum. Or just really bad.

Nah. That list is p solid. pops is scum, Flavor deserves to be town and I don't think Chandra deserves to be in the list, but otherwise it's .

I'm not very comfortable calling Flavor town, I'm starting to get the sense their righteous conviction is within their scumrange. Also the vig crossclaim with the other one presumably flipping exactly what he claimed :/

This is a townslip of sorts though again, because theres very little chance in my mind scum go after FL here after they would know what he did last summer.