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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:48 am
by Albert B. Rampage
I'm not going to have time to catch up. IV is right on all points. IV has 2 votes today.
Since he isn't voting anyone yet, I will:
VOTE: Gamma
VPB if town get your head outta your ass I am obviously not competent enough as scum to pull this off.
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:53 am
by VP Baltar
You're exceptionally smart. Why in the world would I buy the argument you are just 2dumb2bscum?
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:54 am
by VP Baltar
And is gamma scum or you're just voting him for not voting?
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:55 am
by Albert B. Rampage
In post 2342, innocentvillager wrote:you can call me read on him "pocketed", "colored", "biased" all you want, because he "saved me" or at least defended me from the D2 elim. let me be clear on a few GTH reasons why i thought he was town though, outside of that:
-the claim truly was like, almost completely unnecessary, there's almost no reason to not just kill cakez at night
-the shoshin "cc" was consistent with the story, along with the tunneling cakez on role mechanics, etc, it's all very consistent with someone who is expecting a very traditional kind of setup without too many investigatives
-the role? like wtf? the only reasonable explanation is that he's the scum version of the role, but the lazy modifier seems really random, not something he'd come up with
-the blow-up at me for not joining him on Cakez does not seem like, anything he would do as scum, that definitely felt fucking real
-tone, general frustration, the "feeling bad about tunneling scum!Cakez", it just all expressed a wide range of emotions that had to be faked by scum which all seems pretty unlikely especially coming from a player who loves to be Town.
points ive heard against him:
-setup spec, sure, I don't know too much about it but gypyx setups are apparently fucking wild so whatever not confscum for me
-okay he was the driver of two townie elims but that... happens even if he is town? everyone else joined those wagons for a reason
-he's trying to deflect responsibility from the elims with the whole "omg cakez I was about to 180 on you but you gave up" rant. I don't even think that is that scummy on further reflection. It's so obvious he was the driver of the wagons. As scum it obviously looks bad if he tries to deflect responsibility away from himself, so I think the read here being scum!indicative is just... lazy
This <3
Idk if Gamma is scum, I think so.
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:59 am
by petapan
dude you can't possibly think he didn't see FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR as part of the claim
unless he's just skimming, because he is scum who isn't expecting to survive and so isn't actually reading
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:00 am
by Albert B. Rampage
I'm playing exceptionally stupid this game, as Noraa would say.
I haven't read this game since Friday.
IV has my support, he can choose who I place my vote on.
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:01 am
by VP Baltar
In post 2354, petapan wrote:dude you can't possibly think he didn't see FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR as part of the claim
He said I was fake claiming, so he saw the claim.
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:03 am
by Albert B. Rampage
Idk what a friendly neighbor is, but why cant VP be a scum neighborizer?
How is it possible we have a tracker, detective, and a role that is confirmable?
It's impossible.
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:06 am
by petapan
Friendly_Neighbor is a role that visits people and gives them a message that confirms them as town and it's been around a while
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:08 am
by innocentvillager
is this part faked Baltar and peta? i genuinely don't know
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:09 am
by innocentvillager
In post 2349, VP Baltar wrote:I have to believe you are trolling me at this point because you can't legit be this bad at this game
i don't care if im bad or good, or if im right, or im wrong
i don't care about looking dumb postgame when he flips red or a genius when he flips green
i care about winning this game
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:09 am
by VP Baltar
Half tempted to go find a game ABR was in with a friendly neighbor to prove he is lying, but that is more work than I'm willing to invest in this charade.
As someone who was unfamiliar with the role when I came back this year, I've seen it A TON in games over the last couple months. It's clearly an en vogue role with the current site meta.
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:11 am
by Albert B. Rampage
You're good and you're right. What kind of crazy setup is this.
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:11 am
by petapan
okay i checked and it never shows up anywhere else in his post history so that is in fact real
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:12 am
by Albert B. Rampage
I've never seen this role in my life. All my games are linked neatly in my wiki if you want to check.
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:13 am
by Albert B. Rampage
My role is a red herring, scum have ninja.
Theres gotta be a scum counter to detective as well.
Thats about all I can say.
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:14 am
by VP Baltar
In post 2363, petapan wrote:okay i checked and it never shows up anywhere else in his post history so that is in fact real
You checked his games or just ctrl+f'ed it?
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:15 am
by petapan
yeah, i searched your post history like i said, i know that's true at least
UNVOTE:
i dunno i need to take some time to reread and think about this
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:16 am
by VP Baltar
Also, town would just wiki a role they didn't know. Gah, I hate my brain and my desire to trust people. It is obvious ABR is scum.
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:17 am
by petapan
you can literally just pull someone's post history from their user profile and use the search box there, this game is the first time he has ever made a post with the words "friendly neighbor" out of 26763 posts
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:18 am
by innocentvillager
In post 2365, Albert B. Rampage wrote:My role is a red herring, scum have ninja.
Theres gotta be a scum counter to detective as well.
Thats about all I can say.
"this setup is wild" in a lot of cases, i would see as scum trying to weasel and rationalize their fakeclaim when the default assumption is a "normal setup"
"this setup is wild" when the moderator has a red hand in their avi and is called Gypyx, should be the default assumption
if this is some master scum plan, it's not ABR's idea.
i also think, it's kind of indicative that no one came to ABR's defense at all today. zero. scum!ABR had ground to keep fighting here going into D3. The narrative that he just "gave up and spewed obvscum everywhere" seems too wifomy to be real.
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:20 am
by petapan
eh like if i'm scum and i know i'm likely to be screwed, i just tell my buddies to shut up and bus, newbie 2033 i subbed into a slot that got guiltied by the tracker as soon as i repped in (replaced overnight), i was telling my buddy the whole time to bus me no matter what so he'd look better at endgame
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:23 am
by VP Baltar
I had a complete trump card. I can't be beat today. The only move would be to bus if ABR is scum.
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:24 am
by innocentvillager
In post 2371, petapan wrote:eh like if i'm scum and i know i'm likely to be screwed, i just tell my buddies to shut up and bus, newbie 2033 i subbed into a slot that got guiltied by the tracker as soon as i repped in (replaced overnight), i was telling my buddy the whole time to bus me no matter what so he'd look better at endgame
right, but i don't think he was likely to be screwed. a few people expressed a townread on him at EOD2. also, assuming he's in a tough spot here defeats the whole premise of ABR being scum where he fakeclaimed this to get a lot of towncred
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:26 am
by innocentvillager
In post 2372, VP Baltar wrote:I had a complete trump card. I can't be beat today. The only move would be to bus if ABR is scum.
but why is that the only move? if i can think of all these arguments to defend him when plenty of people townread him why can't scum?