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I HAD A REALLY LONG POST AND THEN MY INTERNET CRASHED GRRRRRRRRRRR
anyways the general gist of it was scumteam is vax bug lend flea

Votes are not locked. I think deadline is 1 day but not totally sure.

ok wait yuou unvoted thank you for not being hasty

In post 2344, Umlaut wrote:Skimming just today's posts, don't hate the case on Auro and could switch there

What am I looking for in Vax's ISO?

Please summarize the case on me and the reasons you like it for.

In post 2283, MathBlade wrote:

In post 2282, T3 wrote:I think we should just vote bugspray at this point, the game isn't going anywhere.

If it’s not going anywhere you’re not hunting.
A static game after this many elims means push someone.

A compromise elim on day open means scum are happy where things are.
If anything that means DON’T do bugspray.

In post 2296, MathBlade wrote:

In post 2295, mozamis wrote:Tl;dr - Bug or Vax should be today's lynch.

That makes me want to elim neither of them.

In post 2346, MathBlade wrote:This really feels like Moz Auro but am willing to hammer bugspray since it fits into that.

I think my earlier cases on Moz were kinda ignored and just blanket disagreement doesn’t help me see anything.

I think town cohesion is more important than repeating myself so consider me on bugspray in spirit.

1. Please summarize the case on Mozamis again.
2. Quoted posts are contradictory - why would town cohesion matter so much if it just leads to a town lim? How does a bugspray lim suddenly fit into a {Moz, Auro} solve when earlier the opposite was implied?

Wait, one day already?

I suggesting forcing claim from Bug already, because changing targets on last moment will probably end horrible.

Enchant, do you have reasons to believe Vaxkiller is town?

Anyone else read the last few pages and feel like there's some vague resistance to Vaxkiller, with people trying to rush a Bugspray lim?

In post 2356, Auro wrote:Enchant, do you have reasons to believe Vaxkiller is town?

I dunno.

Checked his ISO, looks like standart lurker with many nonsense posts, they are hard to tell. I know they are also primary target for accuse of mafia, when they feel endangered.

I feel skeptical about Rolecop, who doesh't check "I am townie role i promise" claim first, because that's obvious check for townie, but not for mafia, who want to get as many info about others, as possible.

Do you think that Vax is intentionally posting nonsense, or is trying to post legitimate content?

Who made the "I am townie role I promise" claim that the rolecop should have checked?

Oh assuming that's Mastina: she said she's confirmable. If she's confirmable without a rolecop, wouldn't a shot be wasted?

In post 2359, Auro wrote:Do you think that Vax is intentionally posting nonsense, or is trying to post legitimate content?

Who made the "I am townie role I promise" claim that the rolecop should have checked?

Mastina of course. Right now, i checking roles on wiki, which granted for townies almost always. You claimed Mastina can confirm self, so in theory that's waste.

Innocent Child can confirm self, that's right. But what other "only townie" role can confirm self? These roles mostly is powerful roles, like:
1. Powerful support roles and checkers, like Doctor and Cop.
2. Roles only confirmed by get killed/shot like Bulletproof.
3. Roles who can Kill, like Vigilante/Vengeful

Mafia can claim Cop/Doctor with easy, but i don't think there's possibility they really get this role i real. Obvious check for Rolecop!
Mafia can claim something like Bulletproof and sit doing nothing, because only possibility for them for confirm is dying or checked by Rolecop. Obvious check for Rolecop!
Vigilante of course can easily confirm self. Vengeful only when dying. Obvious check of Rolecop.
Or this could be just bait/fakeclaim. Again, obvious check, because fakeclaiming probably would get her killed otherwise.


I may believe about your thoughs about her being nightkilled (because these roles always neat), but your claim is simple "She could confirm self". By what? Let's assume she is Cop (Townie only role), what if she will don't find mafia, and get all townies? Rolecop check would be neat to confirm her and all her checks.

Also, is this Rolecop/Doctor combined? If yes, then it's even more stupido. She was obvious target for nightkills also. That's why i suspect you.


About Vax. Yes. There's possibility he trying to post something just to post. But he may be just townie shapegoat for you. I don't know, but honestly if select from you both, i would choose you for kill at day.

Seems prudent, because I know I at the very least can't play until Monday--I was planning on playing today but the site downtime fucked that over, soooooo.

^

Agree. I can't access site sometimes, it makes playing hard.

Yesterday was like Turok64, couldn't see naff all for fog.

Anyone wanna catch up me quickly? I see a point on VaxWagon, same can be held against Bugspray though.

VOTE: Auro because gut while I maybe catchup.

In post 2361, Enchant wrote:She was obvious target for nightkills also.

By your logic, if she can't confirm herself, she can't claim to be confirmable.

She's an obvious NK target... As opposed to someone like Math who actually claimed tracker? And scum didn't kill her for three nights consecutively?

In post 2364, Flea The Magician wrote:same can be held against Bugspray though.

Really? Because, the way I see it, a Bug wagon was built for ages without much complaint, while the push of a Vax wagon seems to be causing some panic.

It's interesting how Mathblade now wants to hammer Bugspray "for Town cohesion" when he's pretty confident in a Moz+Auro solve and that apparently implies Bug is town. Town was happily piling on Bug, but someone diverted it to Vax, and maybe this is Math panicking.

I think Enchant is town from his thoughts on this page.
I think Bugspray is town because they've been pushed all day and no one seems to care.

Right now, my yolo solve would be {Vaxkiller, Mathblade, Mastina, Umlaut}.

In post 2365, Auro wrote:

In post 2361, Enchant wrote:She was obvious target for nightkills also.

By your logic, if she can't confirm herself, she can't claim to be confirmable.

She's an obvious NK target... As opposed to someone like Math who actually claimed tracker? And scum didn't kill her for three nights consecutively?

Math claimed 2-Shot tracker. He could be mafia, even if checked by rolecop, simple because it's possible for mafia get this role. Tracker is medium-hard (of not impossible) to fake without having this as real power. So yeah, mafia tracker could claim

If Martina got townie role really, and this is not Child, it's not like she can be confirmed by something, unless she somehow catch mafia with ability or get checked by Cop/Rolecop, or i don't know something. In theory, if you checked her and claim "Yes it is, she got role which only town can possible get", she would be pretty confirmed for rest of the game, unless you are both mafia of course.

Putting in less words.

Why check and protect Tracker claim, which in theory hard to fake without having this power, but actually have low power?
Why not check Townie claim, which is easy to fake, but actually powerful things like Cop and actually more endangered than, uh, 2-Shot tracker.

Using your power to protect Tracker claim i see as waste. Even if you roleblocked from that.

Then again, if I'm scum trying to maximize info, wouldn't that be a worse check for me as scum?

Haven't caught up but happy wit Bugsparay/vax/Len lynch.

In post 2354, Auro wrote:

In post 2283, MathBlade wrote:

In post 2282, T3 wrote:I think we should just vote bugspray at this point, the game isn't going anywhere.

If it’s not going anywhere you’re not hunting.
A static game after this many elims means push someone.

A compromise elim on day open means scum are happy where things are.
If anything that means DON’T do bugspray.

In post 2296, MathBlade wrote:

In post 2295, mozamis wrote:Tl;dr - Bug or Vax should be today's lynch.

That makes me want to elim neither of them.

In post 2346, MathBlade wrote:This really feels like Moz Auro but am willing to hammer bugspray since it fits into that.

I think my earlier cases on Moz were kinda ignored and just blanket disagreement doesn’t help me see anything.

I think town cohesion is more important than repeating myself so consider me on bugspray in spirit.

1. Please summarize the case on Mozamis again.
2. Quoted posts are contradictory - why would town cohesion matter so much if it just leads to a town lim? How does a bugspray lim suddenly fit into a {Moz, Auro} solve when earlier the opposite was implied?

1) Not beneficial today. Moz doesn’t have the support and we are running close to deadline
2) Town cohesion matters because we need an elim. We are close to deadline. If we weren’t close to deadline I would be screaming Moz still.

Today looks like it’s between you and Bugs

VOTE: Auro

My preference is you but will take Bugs.

In post 2363, Enchant wrote:^

Agree. I can't access site sometimes, it makes playing hard.

Thirded and multiple players not here makes an elim almost impossible