Open 809: Charge Me Up! [Over]

[MathBlade]

It’s unlikely. I feel that’s all I can say within the rules. Possible yes probable no.
And if you are you just die.

Because if I die and a scum NK then you’re a scum desperado confirmed which solves my problem.
Or you’re town desperado being very anti town arguing against solving the PoE and attacking one of the few players attempting a solve which means you’ll die
Or you’re lying scum and not desperado which is literally not a problem because you’ll never be able to prove yourself so you’ll be elimmed eventually.

So I give zero fucks other than it adds to my suspicion of you.

[MathBlade]

If you were town desperado you’d want this 1v1 resolved fast as possible so you could shoot the other if wrong or figure out if it’s both scum bickering. Instead you’re doing anything but

[Save The Dragons]

Being redirected never occurred to me. Seems unlikely, but possible.

A second desperado seems unlikely. Regardless I'm not sure if this conversation is helpful. I think mathblade and andante are both town.

I think I know what I want to do here but I am enjoying the time and still want to check on things and cant at the moment.

[VFP]

VOTE: DkKoba

I'll trade if ND is scum.
Dk is always the lim today but get anything.you need to off you're chests.

[DkKoba]

VOTE: DkKoba

I'll trade if ND is scum.
Dk is always the lim today but get anything.you need to off you're chests.

i mean do u townread me or do u townread ND - this is the question here.

there is no need to waste an elim on a floundering slot who decided to try to take me down with them since ive been pushing them since early on and already cased them based on the depth of their reads.

[DkKoba]

not on a floundering slot(

[VFP]

VOTE: DkKoba

I'll trade if ND is scum.
Dk is always the lim today but get anything.you need to off you're chests.

i mean do u townread me or do u townread ND - this is the question here.

there is no need to waste an elim on a floundering slot who decided to try to take me down with them since ive been pushing them since early on and already cased them based on the depth of their reads.

Before today you're town over ND.
However, I will always trade a town for scum in claims that aren't required. So I'm probably not the best person to try and convince here.

ND has no reason to call you out in particular. Its obvious that they are a Watcher (or if scum the team have a watcher). Unless CC I have lack of reason to dis believe it other than suspected to be the lim today. But that's down to end of comments yesterday.

I'll give the day a re read tomorrow though and see from there.

[DkKoba]

VOTE: DkKoba

I'll trade if ND is scum.
Dk is always the lim today but get anything.you need to off you're chests.

i mean do u townread me or do u townread ND - this is the question here.

there is no need to waste an elim on a floundering slot who decided to try to take me down with them since ive been pushing them since early on and already cased them based on the depth of their reads.

Before today you're town over ND.
However, I will always trade a town for scum in claims that aren't required. So I'm probably not the best person to try and convince here.

ND has no reason to call you out in particular. Its obvious that they are a Watcher (or if scum the team have a watcher). Unless CC I have lack of reason to dis believe it other than suspected to be the lim today. But that's down to end of comments yesterday.

I'll give the day a re read tomorrow though and see from there.

i mean like its clear what scum are trying to do and we can prevent them from widening PoE like they want to and keep it as narrow as we can lol

[VFP]

UNVOTE: DkKoba

I have a busy day at work but I'll give it a proper look when done / tomorrow.

[Flea The Magician]

Oh gods ya'll got busy.

V/LA today, will catchup tomorrow.

[Raya36]

Official Vote Count 3.02

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Elimination

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to eliminate someone.

DkKoba

(3): NDMath, Andante, Robert M Hunter

Not Voting

(6): DkKoba, MathBlade, Flea the Magician, Yessiree, Save the Dragons, VFP

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-05-13 22:30:00).

Mod notes:

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[NDMath]

Am hoping to get thoughts from Yes and flea on koba/me since that's gonna be the most telling information in terms of partner.


@Andante Remind me why you don't think flea is the last scum? Looking at their iso they've been townreading A50/DMG since forever and had weird thoughts on koba. Particularly the thoughts in 1985 when flea had also sheeped koba multiple times earlier on. I also still don't understand their flowtrap tunnel.


[quote=Setup wiki Page]A Mafia member can not perform a Nightkill and another action at the same Night.[/quote]
This probably explains why koba was committing the kill actually.

[MathBlade]

No, it quite frankly doesn’t.

You don’t kill a watched/possibly watched target as scum without a ninja.
Scum had a jailkeeper and lost it.
Most powers remaining except a redirector are town centric powers.

I don’t see scum shooting flow here without some kind of hope they don’t get caught. Or it’s a gambit.
Especially after losing their own to a flash wagon.

I know I know we probably elim Koba here and that is the traditional answer.

But I think it’s NDMath.

VOTE: NDMath

[Andante]

Am hoping to get thoughts from Yes and flea on koba/me since that's gonna be the most telling information in terms of partner.


@Andante Remind me why you don't think flea is the last scum? Looking at their iso they've been townreading A50/DMG since forever and had weird thoughts on koba. Particularly the thoughts in 1985 when flea had also sheeped koba multiple times earlier on. I also still don't understand their flowtrap tunnel.

A Mafia member can not perform a Nightkill and another action at the same Night.

This probably explains why koba was committing the kill actually.

I don't entirely remember, I remember doubting my Flea TR yesterday...

VFP here is making me think VFP scum even though VFP was one of my stronger TRs, MiniVirgo also SRed VFP... so idk if there's something there. I 100% see Koba leading the night kill there. DMG and Koba have been 2 of the stronger SRs here

[MathBlade]

Possible and would lean into my VFP scumread earlier.

If Koba flips scum I would consider VFP.

I just don’t think Koba and VFP make that kill.

[Andante]

I just don’t think Koba and VFP make that kill.

and you also don't believe the watcher. so it's fine...

[MathBlade]

If I'm a watcher, I'll be on you like a hawk tonight, Flow!

I don’t think a Koba+VFP team kills flow after baiting a watcher on flow.

[Andante]

you keep saying this... there's literally no guarantee we have a watcher

[Andante]

you keep saying this... there's literally no guarantee we have a watcher

thus it's perfectly fine to kill whoever

[MathBlade]

If we go with Watcher telling the truth it would have to be with an exhausted Koba because they were pulling all the weight themselves. It’s just they’re better than this. (Sorry if that hurts Koba)

Pedit: Look at where my vote is. I literally am just exploring all possible worlds here.

[MathBlade]

I think I am to the point where I kinda want a flip here.

I think A’s play is really anti town and if I am a cop I check them.

If Koba is scum we’re probably just hunting in PoE or A and call it a day.

If Koba is town I want ND followed by A and then see if we have a game.

[Andante]

it's not like you get to call our shots....

[VFP]

you keep saying this... there's literally no guarantee we have a watcher

If me and Dk are scum together then ND is 100% a Watcher.

If I were scum I would have killed Flow for the record.
Mainly to see if it clears not having a Watcher to use as an advantage.
If Dk said no to me in scum chat I'd call them chicken and they would go along with it.
This would have back fired on us, but in the long run we tried a risky play.

It is actually highly likely that me and Dk are scum buddies here. I will be willing to sacrifice my buddy before me as well.

[Andante]

you keep saying this... there's literally no guarantee we have a watcher

If me and Dk are scum together then ND is 100% a Watcher.

If I were scum I would have killed Flow for the record.
Mainly to see if it clears not having a Watcher to use as an advantage.
If Dk said no to me in scum chat I'd call them chicken and they would go along with it.
This would have back fired on us, but in the long run we tried a risky play.

It is actually highly likely that me and Dk are scum buddies here. I will be willing to sacrifice my buddy before me as well.

I meant it like, maf don't know for sure if there's a watcher, so they can easily just hit flow... Blade is acting like maf knew for sure there was one

[MathBlade]

you keep saying this... there's literally no guarantee we have a watcher

If me and Dk are scum together then ND is 100% a Watcher.

If I were scum I would have killed Flow for the record.
Mainly to see if it clears not having a Watcher to use as an advantage.
If Dk said no to me in scum chat I'd call them chicken and they would go along with it.
This would have back fired on us, but in the long run we tried a risky play.

It is actually highly likely that me and Dk are scum buddies here. I will be willing to sacrifice my buddy before me as well.

I meant it like, maf don't know for sure if there's a watcher, so they can easily just hit flow... Blade is acting like maf knew for sure there was one

This is a blatant misrep.

What I am saying is that multiple players all of whom cannot be scum suggested to watch flow.

That means that it is likely scum would not kill flow. The fact they did means either no watcher or planned substandard kill. Considering they just lost A50 the first is more likely.