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In post 2348, mastina wrote:

In post 2046, Dwlee99 wrote:If limit is scum someone is definitely bussing here but none of the pushes feel like bussing so limit is probably just flipping town here.

Counterpoint; could it perhaps be that the reason so many counterwagons to Limit are cropping up be due to the fact that scum really don't want a Limit wagon to go through and are desperate to find a wagon on someone,

anyone

, for it to not?

Attempts to wagon Bingle (who admittedly could be scum with a fairly decent chance but actually believe it or not I have a stronger scumread on TLDNE than I do Bingle, surprisingly enough, so if there's a town between the two slots and a scum between the two slots I'd be more inclined to think the scum as Limit than Bingle even though I am fully aware both have a good chance to be scum).

Attempts to wagon Fairy Circle (who admittedly could be scum especially if Bingle isn't although I would say this would be weird--Bingle if scum with Limit could feasibly be a wagon scum would prefer if Bingle wasn't lying about zero pain potions in spite of him being scum, meaning if Bingle+Limit were scum and if Bingle had no pain potions, scum would prefer Bingle > Limit as the lim...but Fairy Circle vs. Limit has no such incentive meaning that it makes no sense for scum to wagon Fairy Circle if Fairy Circle were scum with TLDNE).

Attempts, successful to a fair degree, to wagon RCEnigma.

Attempts to wagon T3, with some success.

I think there's been people giving ideas to wagon Dwlee or Norwee although I don't think those attempts are as successful as the above two examples.

I get that the resistance to a Limit elimination is not all scum. Town can be wrong and town even if right can get paranoid, thinking "there's a lack of reliable resistance" or something like that, thinking that no counterwagon which has stuck could be a clearing factor for Limit (which I argue is backwards and that a lack of a sticking counterwagon to Limit is actually evidence that they're scum but I digress).

But I keep looking at all of the counterwagons rising, most of them with lackluster logic and reasoning and something of an air of desperation to them, and I can't help but think, "while town not having good direction can be a part of this, this also has to have scum influence behind it". And that's one of the reasons why I want a Limit elimination.

I think the reasons for Limit to be scum are good, and the reasons for Limit to not be scum are lackluster, and that a Limit flip regardless of their alignment sheds more light on the alignment of all the players by giving us a much better understanding of the gamestate for all of D2 and that with their death, we will have a far better grasp of town vs. scum going into the night and tomorrow.

Now, I can actually explain some of the "Limit-town means x, Limit-scum means y" logic, but given the gamestate right now, one of the reasons I want to stave off doing this and have been saying "I will reveal this on D3" is that honestly: I don't want to do the massive amount of theorywork, theorycrafting, hypothesizing, analysis, for whichever alignment Limit isn't. I want to save the time/effort involved and cut it in half and do all of it after the fact, aided by the information from any flips we get on N2.

I do have a decent mental draft of it in my head. It's not rock-solid, it's not something concrete, but it's something I genuinely believe would be the best for the gamestate and I can explain more...
...On D3.

In post 2117, Bingle wrote:It is XLO if there is damage done on three town, scum have 3 pain pots, no town jk/doc a no target, AND no scum die tonight. If we eliminate someone who has been pained, it drops the odds of one or three. Scum having three pain pots split between their members remaining isn’t a sure thing by any means.

In post 2206, Fairy Circle wrote:Why are they scum other than
OMG SHITTY REACTION TO PUSH
and
LACK OF PRESENCE
and
OVERREACTION
it's pretty clear that lilith isn't kept up with the game, imo and what kind of information can they even give, given they have barely any interactions with anyone in the game?

In post 2330, Reinhardt wrote:May I receive a quick de-brief before I attempt to immerse myself in the details?

In post 2353, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Mastina i know you weren’t keen on theorycrafting pre-flip, but do you think T3 is highly likely to be town if Limit!scum based on this push here?

In post 2330, Reinhardt wrote:Hello fellow citizens, I am here because I heard there was beautiful people and fine refreshments.

May I receive a quick de-brief before I attempt to immerse myself in the details?

In post 2330, Reinhardt wrote:Hello fellow citizens, I am here because I heard there was beautiful people and fine refreshments.

May I receive a quick de-brief before I attempt to immerse myself in the details?

In post 2354, mastina wrote:

In post 2206, Fairy Circle wrote:Why are they scum other than
OMG SHITTY REACTION TO PUSH
and
LACK OF PRESENCE
and
OVERREACTION
it's pretty clear that lilith isn't kept up with the game, imo and what kind of information can they even give, given they have barely any interactions with anyone in the game?

All of those things individually would be signs of a slot being scum--none of them damning on their own, sure. Any single one of them in of itself wouldn't be reason enough to scumread the slot, but all three together are, while not hard-damning the slot, still condemning. The slot has a lot of reasons to be scum.

So the counterpoint I ask you; what reasons does the slot have to be town? I've seen falling for the AtE as a reason to townread them (when the AtE is plainly nai), I've seen "people are pushing them and I think the pushes on them make them town", I've seen "stale gamestate", but I've not seen any good reason for them to be town.

I do admit it's possible they could be town. But the evidence does genuinely point to them being scum more likely than not to me.

In post 2361, Fairy Circle wrote:you should ALWAYS assume good faith when thats involved.

In post 2343, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:Like, if my plan was to say that Norwee was fluffing, then presumably the idea would be respond to "he isn't doing nothing" with "actually, he's fluffing". If nobody responded that way (unlikely), I wouldn't have to have another excuse prepared.

-S

In post 2352, Dwlee99 wrote:I'll intent to hammer

In post 2368, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Limit
Mastina convinced me this is the best flip regardless of alignment so flip time

In post 2325, schadd_ wrote:

Spoiler:

votey 2.2.2.2.2.2.2 !

The Limit Does Not Exist (5):

Green Cap Boys

, Aristeia, mastina, T3, NorwegianboyEE

T3 (3):

Dwlee99, The Limit Does Not Exist, Fairy Circle

Fairy Circle (2):

RCEnigma, Bingle

not voting (0):

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