In post 2345, Ginngie wrote:Well it didn’t, but you’ll notice Andante pulled their voting stunt in Datisi during the kill phase and almost immediately after the lack of flip, I brought up Andante. Self preservation that I’ve decided to throw out the window.
I'm not going to say it's allignment indicative, because I'm in two minds about it.
But Enchant did the same and it was from my point of view 100% about selfpreservation and totally not town and yet it was obvious he was. (because just a little while before that he told me to keep bell in the dark so he wouldn't pick me).
I'd very much like for us to talk like civilized people for a little bit, have this day last longer than a real life day, get some actual posts out of Datisi this time and not three oneliners that didn't say a thing, and see where we go from there.
i think most dance partners aren't interacting that much in thread
I mean, scum has no incentive to actually read their partner, or actually voice "hey I don't tr my partner" cause scum needs everyone to fully believe their partner is town.... like if I were scum here, me yelling "GINNGIE NOT TOWN!!!" in no way helps here.. cause we both die if voted out... Dunn is talking about Datisi, I like that, I TR Dunn. You and ceph... are not talking like at all... like earlier ceph just going "I trust fire with my andante read" like, that implies ceph TRs you, but I haven't seen a whole lot from ceph about why you're town...
ok but this is why i was townreading ginngie. she has no scum motivation to come into this phase doubting her TR on you if she's scum and you're town
umm she's trying to get ahead of my push on her. she went very silent in the PT, and that did not go un noticed (PT is cancelled now, I'm not using it) but like, this goes back to me just being an easy push. Like, why does Ginngie even sr me?? cause I'm not playing by an agenda??? right...
I want it over as soon as possible if Ginngie is set on leaving here
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:57 am
by Andante
instead of actually wasting my time trying to find maf
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:57 am
by fireisredsir
In post 2343, Andante wrote:you can't tell me you genuinely believed all game neither of us is going to leave... like its been very clear one of us is leaving
at one point it seemed like you wanted to, and then it seemed like you both wanted to solve together. it also looked kinda like she was pocketing you for a bit, in which case i wouldn't expect either of you to leave. she didn't seem to be scumreading you at all either, so if she was scum and you were town, i wouldn't expect either of you to leave.
so yea. until this phase started i didn't think either of you were going to leave
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:58 am
by fireisredsir
In post 2351, Andante wrote:umm she's trying to get ahead of my push on her. she went very silent in the PT, and that did not go un noticed (PT is cancelled now, I'm not using it) but like, this goes back to me just being an easy push. Like, why does Ginngie even sr me?? cause I'm not playing by an agenda??? right...
you two are tied together. what does her scumreading you accomplish if she's scum?
In post 2351, Andante wrote:umm she's trying to get ahead of my push on her. she went very silent in the PT, and that did not go un noticed (PT is cancelled now, I'm not using it) but like, this goes back to me just being an easy push. Like, why does Ginngie even sr me?? cause I'm not playing by an agenda??? right...
you two are tied together. what does her scumreading you accomplish if she's scum?
this is 100% mind games, so if she’s gonna keep saying “I’m leaving!!!” instead of actually leaving?? yeah… mind games, like I don’t actually believe she is leaving, but if she’s going to do nothing but tunnel me for 4 IRL days… might as well just leave cause I don’t wanna deal with it
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:03 pm
by Ginngie
It’s mafia
The whole thing is a mind game lmfao
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:04 pm
by mykonian
given this game goes through phases of twitter posting, it can't be a deep mindgame.
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:04 pm
by Andante
like, I don’t actually SR her, it’s just so freaking annoying, she’s over here yelling that I’m maf for what… being myself??? so if she wants to tunnel me then leave… whatever
In post 2351, Andante wrote:umm she's trying to get ahead of my push on her. she went very silent in the PT, and that did not go un noticed (PT is cancelled now, I'm not using it) but like, this goes back to me just being an easy push. Like, why does Ginngie even sr me?? cause I'm not playing by an agenda??? right...
you two are tied together. what does her scumreading you accomplish if she's scum?
this is 100% mind games, so if she’s gonna keep saying “I’m leaving!!!” instead of actually leaving?? yeah… mind games, like I don’t actually believe she is leaving, but if she’s going to do nothing but tunnel me for 4 IRL days… might as well just leave cause I don’t wanna deal with it
Also lmfao now you know how i felt when i joined the game and all you said was you were gonna leave leave leave cuz you thought i was mafia and nothing was gonna change your mind.
Feels a lot different when the shoe is on the other foot
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:05 pm
by Andante
In post 2358, mykonian wrote:given this game goes through phases of twitter posting, it can't be a deep mindgame.
In post 2351, Andante wrote:umm she's trying to get ahead of my push on her. she went very silent in the PT, and that did not go un noticed (PT is cancelled now, I'm not using it) but like, this goes back to me just being an easy push. Like, why does Ginngie even sr me?? cause I'm not playing by an agenda??? right...
you two are tied together. what does her scumreading you accomplish if she's scum?
this is 100% mind games, so if she’s gonna keep saying “I’m leaving!!!” instead of actually leaving?? yeah… mind games, like I don’t actually believe she is leaving, but if she’s going to do nothing but tunnel me for 4 IRL days… might as well just leave cause I don’t wanna deal with it
Also lmfao now you know how i felt when i joined the game and all you said was you were gonna leave leave leave cuz you thought i was mafia and nothing was gonna change your mind.
Feels a lot different when the shoe is on the other foot
seriously?
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:46 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 2290, Ginngie wrote:If there was a scum scum pair, they could easily get rid of an entire voting phase to win the game. Just auto reject the proposal and you're in final dance(for clarity an auto reject is equivalent to town eliminating someone in a town/town pairing).
Idc who you are, no amount of wifom is worth trying to fight an entire extra voting phase.
So I think we're looking at two town/scum pairs because what we're seeing is the only real optimal play.
I gotta be legit if it's 2x Town/Town and 2 Town/Scum
one possible reason for no kill is datisi and/or mykonian scum as they both have attractive partners and might die
the other angle is someone who's doing really well and doesn't want their partner to change to someone who might change their dynamic
is anyone still using their PTs anyway?
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:37 pm
by Cephrir
In post 2303, Ginngie wrote:Well i'd rather that happen this phase than in final dance
like i said I dont trust you with a 10 foot pole in the final dance
It's the literal voting when you can't, leaving when you cant, being a veteran of dance games and yet you do those actions repeatedly.
It leaves a very sour taste and makes me believe you would mess up the final dance by having your emotions manipulated.
Seriously you're worse than Enchant when it comes to yolo leaving and to think I'd risk pissing you off as mafia after Datisi could make a grandslam case of me pocketing you is absurd.
If this was a Town/Scum pairing Andante, and I've gotten you to say that you think we'll win this together and shit; why would I poke the bloody bear, especially after(if I was scum) losing a scumbuddy.
So just bloody cool it.
P-edit: This auto leaving bullshit is exactly what I mean.
kinda wild that andante hasn't left yet just in general
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:39 pm
by Cephrir
In post 2306, Andante wrote:maf had a chance to kill, they didn’t. maf is comfortable with the way this is going, NO ONE has voiced suspicion of ceph or fire recently, there’s a scum in therr and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was ceph. I want them out
For Sure Town Cephrir
the erratic behavior is normal but i feel like it's typically more telegraphed and like, not random.org
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:40 pm
by Dunnstral
I asked Datisi who they thought was mafia with Malakittens. They said they don't know and maybe they will check her iso, and check my progression.
In post 2321, Andante wrote:ok if we’re TT and you and ceph are TT, who are the 2 scum?
if we are, then i would say it's probably datisi/myko. im not sure on ceph but ive been considering possible worlds where he is scum and i don't quite understand the lack of nightkill in that case
In post 2325, mykonian wrote:anything that felt like reaching to you? Because it can always go multiple ways with partner analysis.
reading dunn as town is right but uninspiring. agreed with the andante read mostly cause mala felt like she was trying to pocket there, even though i misread that interaction originally. didn't really follow where you landed on ginngie
wow i still havent looked at mala interactions i suck
i think most dance partners aren't interacting that much in thread
I mean, scum has no incentive to actually read their partner, or actually voice "hey I don't tr my partner" cause scum needs everyone to fully believe their partner is town.... like if I were scum here, me yelling "GINNGIE NOT TOWN!!!" in no way helps here.. cause we both die if voted out... Dunn is talking about Datisi, I like that, I TR Dunn. You and ceph... are not talking like at all... like earlier ceph just going "I trust fire with my andante read" like, that implies ceph TRs you, but I haven't seen a whole lot from ceph about why you're town...
if you've seen much from me about why anyone is anything, then i must be sleep-posting
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:45 pm
by Cephrir
In post 2347, Andante wrote:if Ginngie really wants to play this "hold me to it, I'm leaving in 4 IRL days" game... that's probably scum indicative lmao
datisi/myko as reasoned in 2288. looks like similar as your first reason in 2365. if it's your second angle, mm, not sure. like, bell kind of fits that, but i don't think he's scum. dunn doesn't fit that cause he wants datisi gone, i think, and i think he's town anyway. i don't think either of andante/ginngie fit that since they've gotten some suspicion lately, i don't think i would qualify them as "doing well". so, uh, that leaves you?
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:47 pm
by Cephrir
In post 2353, Andante wrote:instead of actually wasting my time trying to find maf
shouldn't you want to push your reads if you're expecting to imminently die. it's only 'wasting time' if your only goal with scumhunting is to get townread, no?
