Posted: Sun May 01, 2022 8:03 am
here's a list of usernames in this game that start with S
Save the Dragons
Sword of Ducks
infer what you will
same energy
Save the Dragons
Sword of Ducks
infer what you will
same energy
that is pretty true, reallyIn post 2350, Save The Dragons wrote:here's a list of usernames in this game that start with S
Save the Dragons
Sword of Ducks
infer what you will
same energy
In post 2355, Flavor Leaf wrote:Ducky, would you come back to the Catboi wagon?
Very funny.In post 2356, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 2355, Flavor Leaf wrote:Ducky, would you come back to the Catboi wagon?
WELLDONE/CATBOI: Look, they're trying to manipulate Sword of Ducks!
I can do anyone except Norwee in your SR section, other than that I like your reads bar Wallflower who is the towniest slot in the game and TB who I’m still not sure on after the shitfest the other day, wanna see how the replacement goesIn post 2264, catboi wrote:I don't know if I'm going to get support for it on day 1, I tend to play by picking off the minnows before going for the big fish but I feel actually really damn good about my townreads this game which is pretty crazy for day 1, which makes me think my POE is good.In post 2258, Menalque wrote:I could do FL if that’s what you’re getting at cb
Okay, let's break it down.In post 2329, Flavor Leaf wrote:Explain the way I'm going about it.In post 2326, catboi wrote:I actually think it's one of the scummiest things he's done. You don't know about this since you're new, but Flavor Leaf is a player who likes to brag about talking his way out of hard guilties as scum on multiple occasions. He also tried to get a mason voted out in a game, simply as a challenge to himself to say he did it. Attempting to push through something as obviously antitown as a Day 1 Beloved Princess elim and then talk his way out of it is something he'd absolutely relish doing. I think the way he's going about it is scummy.In post 2293, MalcolmTucker wrote:I really don't like this either but I'm again unsure how scummy it is. Flavor's now under a bit of pressure and if Mastina were to get eliminated (I don't think it happens this turn) and is town then I don't think Flavor survives D2.In post 2251, catboi wrote:Also, again, ridiculously sketchy, coming right after Wallflower expressed doubt on mastina in 2180 and Toogeloo had expressed a willingness to vote momentum. It looks like potentially he's hoping to seize on the momentum to eliminate a beloved princess and get an advantage off thatIn post 2181, Flavor Leaf wrote:let's just try our luck with the beloved princess and see what crazy stuff happens over night.
VOTE: Mastina
In post 1810, Flavor Leaf wrote:Never fails for Mastina to call me scum when I’m town.
I don’t believe there’s ever been a time she hasn’t called me scum, except when I was scum against their town.
Opens up, there's an initial discredit of mastina's scumread with the "oh she always does this", trying to put it peoples minds she's biased and not to be trusted. The follow through is the "sensible" mechanical opinion - not worth it! After all, it's risky, and town's not going to take that chance early, right. But it pivots toward saying her catchup is bad.In post 1811, Flavor Leaf wrote:Mastina also trying really hard to make ToogelooScum a thing
The claim means it’s not really worth pushing Mastina today, but there’s some icky stuff there.
In post 1820, Flavor Leaf wrote:Like to me, Mastina’s catch up looks like damage control.
In post 1827, Flavor Leaf wrote:Probably a Catboi partnerIn post 1824, Save The Dragons wrote:damage control for what
In post 1832, Flavor Leaf wrote:Another reason I’m leaning a Catboi-Mastina is because Mastina knew I’d respond to that ridiculous slip reasoning, and now my focus is going towards her rather than Catboi which splits the vote if I push further + her claim is defense.
In post 1868, Flavor Leaf wrote:Part of me wants to try to go for the Beloved Princess, and then just have a double night before scum get any info, and then just have a double night.
In post 1869, Flavor Leaf wrote:but might be biased. I think it's possible Mastina comes from a town perspective, but i think all their scum reads and reasons were super weak, but idk if theyre that weak if scum, but targeting 2 on catboi wagon, then 1 in the catboi cover crew is also heebie jeebie worthy.
In post 1870, Flavor Leaf wrote:+ Beloved Princess claim wifom.
In post 1871, Flavor Leaf wrote:So that's where I'm at, would prefer Catboi, but will go Mastina.
Here, he turns to attacking mastina, primarily under the suggestionIn post 1892, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 1884, MalcolmTucker wrote:Yeah this does not read like something posted for here unless I'm missing something? Why would say in advance you "might" try and claim something?In post 1868, Flavor Leaf wrote:Part of me wants to try to go for the Beloved Princess, and then just have a double night before scum get any info, and then just have a double night.
well, i would say in advance that I might try and claim something, but yeah, not what I was saying here.
Really just in addition to thinking Mastina is a strong candidate for a Catboi partner, the Beloved Princess claim is just something I dont really wanna deal with/think it could be scum motivated.
my cases against scumMastina are that her reasons for scum reading people have no meat on the bone, but said matter of factly, and i think mastina just would have better reasons if she was scum. Not a strong reason especially if it was done by Mastina to position well and defend Catboi indirectly by pushing 2 of the ones on the Catboi wagon/then offering up a butterchurn which can get people from both sides of the Catboi debate onto butterchurn.
Now FL starts making arguments for why it's maybe actually okay to elim the beloved princess even if she's town, planting the seeds for other people to agree with him. He makes sure to emphasize that I am hisIn post 1896, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 1894, MalcolmTucker wrote:On this, do we reckon all scum teams kill tonight? I'd initially expect so since it's D1 and the game is still big enough that you can probably eliminate someone as scum and get away with it without people making obvious associatives. But then it obviously gets trickier further down the line once role player are perhaps revealed - if you don't have a kill, you risk them being able to live another day.In post 1893, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 1889, butterchurn wrote:Yeah, I read that as him saying that Day 1 could actually be the most beneficial time to eliminate a Beloved Princess, because there are the maximum amount of town role actions available. So, I guess the risk is mitigated if she is a town Beloved Princess, and there's also a good chance of her just being scum. I'm not really sure how accurate that is, but I did have a thought along those lines as well.
there's also little to no other claims out there, so scum can't PR snipe well, so it's just mowing down people.
Scum can also choose not to kill because they only to kill 2 times in each 3 phases.
i agree. going Mastina, if they are actually town BP, opens up a lot of bloodshed, but it's more of a matter of does the bloodshed matter. scum can hit possible scum anyways. And if Mastina is scum, they're just scum.
The double night is always gonna feel drastic, though, but there's also the possibility that scum kill Mastina if she's on the right track ever, but not looking likely based on her weak reasonings, so either way.
Catboi still my preferred.
In post 1968, Flavor Leaf wrote:Well Done says I'm not looking for scum, but I believe I have the most layered reads out of anyone in this game, and have been looking for scum MORE than the majority of players, frankly because I got way too invested like always.
And even if I were scum, why wouldn't I be looking for scum?
Well Done/Mastina team, Catboi/Cassowarry. Nashville probably town then, and then the rest are somewhere in my town reads.
In post 2037, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 1942, Well Done wrote:Flavor Leaf calls anybody who pushes him scum.
So you, Dunnstral, used this as a reasoning to push me?
Without realizing that this has only happened once this game, with Mastina, a player that essentially calls me scum in any game we've played together besides when I actually was scum that one time, and out of everything, you were going with this + controlling/manipulative?
In post 2059, Flavor Leaf wrote:I don't think they pushed me with the intent to fade me, not that they wouldnt if it was possible.In post 2054, MalcolmTucker wrote:Flavor is unlikely to be eliminated D1 I'd say and it very much puts Well Done in the spotlight.
I feel like at the least I've hit a scum or two, but what really makes me ping with Well Done is that this happened after I had settled a bit with Catboi, and started looking into Mastina as an option.
Suddenly, with Well Done coming in to attack Flavor Leaf, he switches to calling mastina scum withIn post 2151, Flavor Leaf wrote:I'm not even sure if they're scum, parts of me think they're town.
But I keep going back to the timing of it happening right after I started suspicion on Mastina, which is why I believe it was on their mind that I was pushing those that scum read me.
Well Done/Mastina scum team.
In post 1815, butterchurn wrote:It seems like the claim protects her from people ever wanting to push her, correct? Even past the first Day. In later Days a Beloved Princess death may be even more harmful.In post 1811, Flavor Leaf wrote:The claim means it’s not really worth pushing Mastina today, but there’s some icky stuff there.
In post 1823, butterchurn wrote:I kind of agree, but I wasn't sure if I was reacting to what seems like an ill-founded suspicion on me. I was also hesitant because it seems like a few players have found her to be townie so far. I'm especially curious about catboi's read.In post 1820, Flavor Leaf wrote:Like to me, Mastina’s catch up looks like damage control.
In post 1880, NorwegianboyEE wrote:On second thought, i'm not sure i trust Mastina because last game with scum!Mastina went like this:In post 1871, Flavor Leaf wrote:So that's where I'm at, would prefer Catboi, but will go Mastina.
Mastina: I'm going to town and scumread people for their one-liner RVS posts and make a big reads list.
Mastina: Norwee is top town.
*Dips from game for a long time*
Mastina: Cephrir is scum for a vague reason. I'm going to harp on this vague scumread for the rest of the game.
This game:
Mastina: I'm going to town and scumread people for their one-liner RVS posts and make a big reads list.
Mastina: Norwee is top town.
*Dips from game for a long time*
Mastina: Butterchurn is scum for a vague reason. I'm going to harp on this vague scumread for the rest of the game.
I JUST DON'T TRUST IT ANYMORE.
In post 2074, Toogeloo wrote:I'm still 100% in support of day 1 eliming the Beloved Princess. Lowest risk for what could possibly also be scum, PRs are still hidden, scum would be firing blindly, possibly getting a few cross kills.
Is the Malefactor essentially just a 5th scum member for both teams with no ability to communicate with them? Or are they more akin to a Serial Killer? I didn't see anything on the wiki about a Malefactor, but their win con suggests they are aligned with either/both scum factions but don't get a kill of their own. I'd assume in this setup, they are bulletproof. Do they win even if dead as long as town loses?
In post 2169, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:VOTE: Nashville Dreams
I'm all caught up, although admittedly I kind of skimmed the last bits of the Well Done and Flavor argument since i don't think I got anything out of that. I still think the Nashville Dreams case is better than anything those two are slinging at each other though.
I'm tentatively townleaning Flavor -- I'm vibing some of his main scumreads and coming around to scum!catboi, whose 1498 pinged me and because his weird townread on mastina on page 72.mastina is also scummy -- I wasn't feeling her vague butterchurn push or the momo PT thing.I also find Flavor pretty manipulative as town in general, so I'm not sure the points made against him are AI.
I also think Klick could be scum -- his posts pinged me as pocket-y, like when he was talking to Mena about filler stuff on page 61 instead of taking the time to work with Mena on reads.
Context is key here. There's been a few players who have expressed suspicion of mastina through the game, he's been building the narrative of mastina-scum the whole day, trying to get people on board with the idea. Suddenly you have Toogeloo, CSF, and Wallflower all expressing suspicion of mastina within a short period.In post 2180, Wallflower wrote:nvm about my previous tr on mastinaIn post 1771, mastina wrote:I mean gut is always used in even the most logical of systems since no system has a "100% guaranteed" tell that willIn post 820, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Wouldn’t it be funny if Mastina’s huge explanation of their usage of an system they cannot really describe in full because of hod complex it is, is just an fancy way of saying: "gut check"alwaysindicate an alignment. If a tell is 75-25, you still have to use gut to determine if it's the 75 or the 25. Statistically speaking, it'll usually be the 75 because it wouldn't be 75-25 if the 75 wasn't more common than the 25, but statistically speaking, it still can be the 25 because it wouldn't be 75-25 if there wasn't a 25.
In post 807, Toogeloo wrote:How do you have a scum lean on a slot that never even picked up their role PM?While this seems like a fair argument initially, it falls apart when you realize one simple fact.In post 808, Toogeloo wrote:Momo didn't skip out on the game because they didn't like their role PM. They didn't even open it.In post 641, Cephrir wrote:momo will be replaced if they fail to pick up their role PM by tomorrow morning.
You don't need to look at yourrole PMto know that you have drawn scum.
You can justlook at your private topicsand tell that you have drawn scum.
Tell me: how can Cephrir differentiate between "momo has not viewed the PM or the scum PT at all", and, "momo did not view the PM, viewed the scum PT, but just didn't post in the scum PT"?
The two are entirely inseparable to him. But the difference between the former and the latter is a difference in likely alignment for the slot.
And since momo flakes more often as scum and momo need not read his role PM to learn that he is scum, trying to clear yourself from momo having not read the role PM doesn't actually work. In fact, it's the opposite; it makes the slotmorelikely to be scum--not less.
In post 2181, Flavor Leaf wrote:let's just try our luck with the beloved princess and see what crazy stuff happens over night.
VOTE: Mastina
In post 2182, Flavor Leaf wrote:Best Case Scenario it's a Scum Beloved Princess.
In post 2185, Flavor Leaf wrote:Yeah, I saw it.
Nashville could be scum, they're in my Pink tier, but part of me thinks they could just be town not in the game fully. I likely wont be one of the main ones pushing Nashville myself, but I do town read most of the people pushing them.
Idk. I feel like I'd be able to read them with a much higher certainty a little bit later in the game, and it's holding me back from wanting to go there.
I get the case, I just don't know if it makes them scum, is where I'm at.
FL senses that there might be someIn post 2186, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 2181, Flavor Leaf wrote:let's just try our luck with the beloved princess and see what crazy stuff happens over night.
VOTE: Mastina
You’ll do anything as scum because you have absolute faith in your ability to talk your way out of any situation lolIn post 2361, Flavor Leaf wrote:I've been on Catboi all game, which is not something I do as scum.
In post 2364, Menalque wrote:If memory serves correctly, an FL claiming he doesn’t do certain things as scum is an FL who’s much more likely to be scum
In post 2360, catboi wrote:FL senses that there might be some momentum there, so he switches his vote there to see if he can get others to follow. He doesn't want it to look like he's hardshoving the mastina elim through - then he'd take the fall for it the next day. He wants it to look like an idea many people are on board with, so he can say they're equally to blame, even though he's the one who has been subtly trying to make the idea popular in the first place.
I still have issues with Wallflower but it's not worth getting into right now and I recognize that I am exceptionally biased there (also, Sword of Ducks is the towniest slot in the game, bar none). I empathize completely on TB and recognize that whatever he was doing was extremely screwy and so hard to read alignment into + the whole shenanigans from PYP makes reading into the replace-out dicey, but having the slot as a townlean is fine for now and hopefully the eventual replacement makes it easier.In post 2358, Menalque wrote:I can do anyone except Norwee in your SR section, other than that I like your reads bar Wallflower who is the towniest slot in the game and TB who I’m still not sure on after the shitfest the other day, wanna see how the replacement goesIn post 2264, catboi wrote:I don't know if I'm going to get support for it on day 1, I tend to play by picking off the minnows before going for the big fish but I feel actually really damn good about my townreads this game which is pretty crazy for day 1, which makes me think my POE is good.In post 2258, Menalque wrote:I could do FL if that’s what you’re getting at cb
Don’t agree with you 100% but we’re close enough that I’m pretty sure you’re town given how much and badly you’ve been pushed thus far, and how much I think scum would want you dead
Lol if I'm not nightkilled before that point something has gone terribly wrongIn post 2358, Menalque wrote:Plus I’m trusting myself to do a hard re-eval to win the game on N4 if you are scum
In post 2360, catboi wrote:Again you have to look at what Flavor is actually saying here - all his cases are preflips. He's drawing associations between people and calling them scum for it but there's really no reasoning behind it, it's entirely predicated on how there's totally a connection. Doesn't explain why their actions on their own are scum motivated, other than the fact that they're pushing him. I think this is partly because he wanted to discredit Well Done's attack on him, partly because he wanted to keep mastina in his scum pool despite the cat/astina narrative (or "gamefic" if you will) not gaining any traction. It's still lacking in actual reasons for mastina-scum.
lol dude trying to string me up for not replying within 30 minutes when I have to actually comb through and assemble your posts to show it is some top tier bullshitIn post 2349, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 2329, Flavor Leaf wrote:Explain the way I'm going about it.In post 2326, catboi wrote:I actually think it's one of the scummiest things he's done. You don't know about this since you're new, but Flavor Leaf is a player who likes to brag about talking his way out of hard guilties as scum on multiple occasions. He also tried to get a mason voted out in a game, simply as a challenge to himself to say he did it. Attempting to push through something as obviously antitown as a Day 1 Beloved Princess elim and then talk his way out of it is something he'd absolutely relish doing. I think the way he's going about it is scummy.In post 2293, MalcolmTucker wrote:I really don't like this either but I'm again unsure how scummy it is. Flavor's now under a bit of pressure and if Mastina were to get eliminated (I don't think it happens this turn) and is town then I don't think Flavor survives D2.In post 2251, catboi wrote:Also, again, ridiculously sketchy, coming right after Wallflower expressed doubt on mastina in 2180 and Toogeloo had expressed a willingness to vote momentum. It looks like potentially he's hoping to seize on the momentum to eliminate a beloved princess and get an advantage off thatIn post 2181, Flavor Leaf wrote:let's just try our luck with the beloved princess and see what crazy stuff happens over night.
VOTE: Mastina
Noting the disappearance of Catboi even though they posted right after this.
Seriously fuck off.In post 2371, catboi wrote:lol dude trying to string me up for not replying within 30 minutes when I have to actually comb through and assemble your posts to show it is some top tier bullshitIn post 2349, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 2329, Flavor Leaf wrote:Explain the way I'm going about it.In post 2326, catboi wrote:I actually think it's one of the scummiest things he's done. You don't know about this since you're new, but Flavor Leaf is a player who likes to brag about talking his way out of hard guilties as scum on multiple occasions. He also tried to get a mason voted out in a game, simply as a challenge to himself to say he did it. Attempting to push through something as obviously antitown as a Day 1 Beloved Princess elim and then talk his way out of it is something he'd absolutely relish doing. I think the way he's going about it is scummy.In post 2293, MalcolmTucker wrote:I really don't like this either but I'm again unsure how scummy it is. Flavor's now under a bit of pressure and if Mastina were to get eliminated (I don't think it happens this turn) and is town then I don't think Flavor survives D2.In post 2251, catboi wrote:Also, again, ridiculously sketchy, coming right after Wallflower expressed doubt on mastina in 2180 and Toogeloo had expressed a willingness to vote momentum. It looks like potentially he's hoping to seize on the momentum to eliminate a beloved princess and get an advantage off thatIn post 2181, Flavor Leaf wrote:let's just try our luck with the beloved princess and see what crazy stuff happens over night.
VOTE: Mastina
Noting the disappearance of Catboi even though they posted right after this.
tictac or enchant seem like the freeest sum based on how little impact they've had + how much people have ignored them but I'll see what my other TRs are on board withIn post 2362, Menalque wrote:Anyway, lemme know where you wanna vote and I’ll sheep you @catboi
You’re leading any charges until I get some energy back tho, I poured a lot of energy in and even tho I’m feeling better from the Covid I just don’t have the WIM for any big 1v1s or pushing stuff through rn