↑camn wrote:@absta- I really feel like addressing your 'points' would be arguing with scum. And by that, I use the Spyrex definition.
Tighten up your questions, and I will consider them.
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:35 am
by The Baltimore Sun
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:44 am
by Equinox
↑Plessiezarus wrote:There's something I don't understand. If you've read all of D3 (80-94), Why are you talking about taking a look at Zdenek then?
NK analysis or at least an attempt at one. Generally, I look at the people who are dead and then the people who should be dead but aren't. Zdenek claimed a confirmable role on Day 1.
a) he seems nervous.
b) RL excuses
c) He mentioned he was scum last game... which is him trying to use the biggest cognitive fallacy in all of statistics against us. Subtle, but not too subtle for me to notice.
Point C in particular remains the stupidest fucking thing that's been said in this entire thread.
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:45 am
by Benmage
@CDB
why are you reading camn?
And why are you just spontaneously posting abstract quotes from her iso?
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:49 am
by ChannelDelibird
I'm currently reading camn and you in iso, just as I finished on Nost and DeasVail a little while ago. This is because you are the four players who I either had the least strong reads on or hadn't reevaluated for a while.
The reason I'm posting so many examples of camn's super scumtells being bullshit is because she's still pushing me as scum despite me repeatedly rebutting them for the crap they are. She's been pushing shit cases on me and others all game and using her ego as her shield. She's been practically begging us to play WIFOM over her attack on absta. I've had it up to here.
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:53 am
by ChannelDelibird
camn, the thinker of our times
↑camn wrote:First of, Vifam.
Read his ISO, and you will see the most scummy, worthless run of posts ever created.
He pretty much complains of how slow the game is (while posting no content), and then complains about 'too much text', which to me means its too FAST, no? While providing no content. There is nothing there. He is terrible. I would lynch him on this alone.
Notably, he does put petapan on a scumlist, and he does completely ignore absta calling him (vifam) scum... but meh.
Ths is obviously bullshit based on player preference/style and not alignment. It's clear as day that Vifam simply wasn't having any fun in this group of players and replaced out. The last line is the only admissible piece of evidence but the confidence on the null stuff beforehand is just absurd.
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:53 am
by camn
I am not sure what CBD's point is.. but it is literally making me laugh out loud.
Only scum are burdened with consistency
As to your question, ben... he is nervous. He is scared that I'm going to eat him. So he is trying to attack my character.
Let me help-
I , camn, am mercurical, led by instinct, inconsistent, and irrational.
I have played whole YEARS where I
never
made a logical case, and simply lynched on revenge alone
.
I am dedicated to covering the world with a pool of
blood
!
But Im trying. I'm trying real hard... to be the shepard.
And to play a more rational game. Until then-
UNVOTE:
VOTE CHANELDELIBIRD
The dream of the scum is to cover the thread in shenanegans. That is how they win.
We must stomp out the perpetrators at the source.
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:56 am
by ChannelDelibird
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:57 am
by ChannelDelibird
Can't really be arsed to finish my iso but basically, Benmage is a reasonably solid townread, particularly if camn is scum.
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:03 am
by camn
But.. but.. I was just starting to doubt my own ben-town-read! I need your insight!
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:05 am
by ChannelDelibird
You're embarrassing yourself. I've just been explaining that I was rereading Benmage, on whom to my knowledge I've pretty much never previously given a read. Don't pretend like saying how I now see him was unnecessary.
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:05 am
by Plessiezarus
↑camn wrote:And Equinox- I think the case against you is crap, and the BT case is moderate.
Other than the town-read on TML which you refuse to explain, why do you think the case is crap? What specifically do you think is wrong with it?
↑Cerulean wrote:I didn't think about an eavesdropped neighborhood.
Scum have access to Kuribo's neighborhood?
This is something I suggested in 2342. Fits with flavour, but otherwise there's no particular evidence for it and it's not something we should spend much time discussing further right now. Wait to see how people flip first. More important thing to bear in mind if there are multiple traitors or if traitors don't know all Police is that we might have been too hasty to clear the people TGAH attacked.
~ Pless
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:09 am
by ChannelDelibird
Hey, you know what happens when CDBscum gets caught? Do I get nervous and attack my accusers in a kamikaze blaze of glory?
And I, as scum, play an intricately orchestrated long-range strategy with multiple fakeclaims and complex manipulation of the town EXHIBIT A
Ergo.. If I am truly so inconsistent... I MUST BE TOWN! ITS LOGICAL PROOF! AMIRITE??
pedit- ha ha kuribo. We could be friends after all
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:20 am
by ChannelDelibird
The crucial part you're missing is when I came back and jumped down camn's throat. Being busy now and then isn't lurking. Letting being busy be an excuse for posting at a minimum is lurking.
↑Equinox wrote:Could you expand on your Nostredeus-town read, please?
As I discussed at the time, his reaction to McStab's early pursuit of him was town, as well as his interaction with Sotty on Day 2. His brushes with TML don't strike me as scum butting heads for show. There's really nothing at all that suggests to me that Nostredeus is being false.
Disagree with this completely, for the record. Other than the fact TGAH attacked Nost (which I'd been assuming meant Nost was probably not Police), I think Nost looks pretty awful. Not interested in moving our vote away from Equinox though.
↑ChannelDelibird wrote:The reason I'm posting so many examples of camn's super scumtells being bullshit is because she's still pushing me as scum despite me repeatedly rebutting them for the crap they are.
I can understand being annoyed at being suspected for what seem like silly reasons, but ... you knew your repeated goading of camn was going to provoke exactly this response, right?
↑Plessiezarus wrote:There's something I don't understand. If you've read all of D3 (80-94), Why are you talking about taking a look at Zdenek then?
NK analysis or at least an attempt at one. Generally, I look at the people who are dead and then the people who should be dead but aren't. Zdenek claimed a confirmable role on Day 1.
What Zar was driving at is: given how much of the thread you claim to have read, you should know that Zdenek didn't just
claim
a confirmable role, he's had that role confirmed by more than one person. Are you "taking a look" at him because you find his being alive suspicious, or for some other reason?
~ Pless
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:45 am
by Equinox
↑Plessiezarus wrote:What Zar was driving at is: given how much of the thread you claim to have read, you should know that Zdenek didn't just claim a confirmable role, he's had that role confirmed by more than one person. Are you "taking a look" at him because you find his being alive suspicious, or for some other reason?
I've only seen him confirm once to you. I haven't gotten to the other one yet, but I assume it's happened. For the purposes of looking at Night 1, though, Zdenek was just considered a confirmable role at the time, since he wasn't confirmed to someone until the Day after. I don't find his being alive necessarily suspicious; it's just how I do this sort of thing. People die for different reasons, and people live for different reasons. Looking at just the dead people gives only part of the picture. It would help to look at potential reasons for why Shadoweh and sottyrulez are dead, and it would help more to also look at potential reasons for why Zdenek, kuribo, Shaft, etc. are still alive, since it could be that someone's reads are on or off or that there's some potential that scum can see themselves manipulating in the players still alive, and so on.
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:09 am
by kuribo
Zdenek's probably alive because he's lazy as shit
I'm alive because neighborisor is functionally useless. Doubly so if they can read the QT. Or if I neighborize one of them.
Kise is Alive because the town was so divided on his Lynch that maybe they figured they could rope him later. Or he'd protect one of them from the SKvig.
↑ChannelDelibird wrote:The reason I'm posting so many examples of camn's super scumtells being bullshit is because she's still pushing me as scum despite me repeatedly rebutting them for the crap they are.
I can understand being annoyed at being suspected for what seem like silly reasons, but ... you knew your repeated goading of camn was going to provoke exactly this response, right?
I didn't post them for her benefit.
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:28 am
by ChannelDelibird
I'm usually happy to try to divine the purposes of nightkills but I can only imagine that I'd tie my head in WIFOMy notes over the sotty kill. I think it's one for when we have some more flips.
