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he difference in replacement culture between mafiascum and other mafia websites is evidence enough of this

@NSG: what is this, out of interest?

In post 2373, Hopkirk wrote:Hey Alisae how would you have felt if you were scum in this game HEctic just modded:

7 town, 6 scum (13p)
if scum and lethaled d1 scum lose. two votes before first night (bussing looses the game)
assuming no scum lethal in the two d1 votes scum must pick 4 of the scum to kill (leaving 2 scum, 5 town)
next day people can form 2 pairs of dancers who are immune to the nightkill and there's a lethal. so if town all dance together scum may be forced to self-kill, and scum can't guarantee a kill on someone they want here
then continues with a nightly kill at (4-1 or 3-2)

Sounds like a game I wouldn’t want to play

@NSG I’m sorry we didn’t get more of a chance to play with each other this game, I was really pleased when I saw you’d repped in

In post 2374, Alisae wrote:

In post 2372, unwnd wrote:If there is a will, there's a way.

Ya I’m sure u can just will the other townie slots that make no sense for them to be scum to vote each other in F4 yep totally.

That's from your view! You don't know what people are thinking. Trust me

In post 2368, Alisae wrote:Its always just a lose lose situation for me I think.
Pedit why would anyone want to replace into a slot to find out it’s doomed? How is that fun?

I would've been PUMPED personally like 'fuck yeah this is gonna be a challenge'

Is the idea of Fun only winning?

In post 2374, Alisae wrote:

In post 2372, unwnd wrote:If there is a will, there's a way.

Ya I’m sure u can just will the other townie slots that make no sense for them to be scum to vote each other in F4 yep totally.

It's really easy to think you're in a worse position than you are as scum. I was so so confident you were town from the dead thread, and you know better than anyone how to win games despite seeming like you're obvious scum.

In post 2312, northsidegal wrote:

In post 2309, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I think FL doomed the slot and you were dead on arrival unfortunately.

i agree moderately with that assessment, but i also think that i could have believably just said that he was fakeclaiming.

I didnt even read his claim

I ddint even read any of your content posts

Mena and FL were 100% caught before FL even claimed just my 2c

In post 2376, Alisae wrote:

In post 2373, Hopkirk wrote:Hey Alisae how would you have felt if you were scum in this game HEctic just modded:

7 town, 6 scum (13p)
if scum and lethaled d1 scum lose. two votes before first night (bussing looses the game)
assuming no scum lethal in the two d1 votes scum must pick 4 of the scum to kill (leaving 2 scum, 5 town)
next day people can form 2 pairs of dancers who are immune to the nightkill and there's a lethal. so if town all dance together scum may be forced to self-kill, and scum can't guarantee a kill on someone they want here
then continues with a nightly kill at (4-1 or 3-2)

Sounds like a game I wouldn’t want to play

what would you have done seeing you rolled scum in that setup? knowing there were two week deadlines for each vote, not knowing about the bulletproof dance mechanics until later, and assuming the scum did what they did in that game and revealed 2 of them had role pms kind of implying they might be traitors working against the others (but not really)?

In post 2378, unwnd wrote:

In post 2374, Alisae wrote:

In post 2372, unwnd wrote:If there is a will, there's a way.

Ya I’m sure u can just will the other townie slots that make no sense for them to be scum to vote each other in F4 yep totally.

That's from your view! You don't know what people are thinking. Trust me

Its an objective view cuz one of the players is a mason, the other was neighbors with scum and also a 1 shot neighbor who gets cleared off of a scum flip, and the last townie is very apparent in her townmeta and it makes 0 sense for them to be scum over me.

In post 2381, Albert B. Rampage wrote:

In post 2312, northsidegal wrote:

In post 2309, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I think FL doomed the slot and you were dead on arrival unfortunately.

i agree moderately with that assessment, but i also think that i could have believably just said that he was fakeclaiming.

I didnt even read his claim

I ddint even read any of your content posts

Mena and FL were 100% caught before FL even claimed just my 2c

FL still had me uncertain until he did the classic 'FL-replace-out-scumclaim' move.

In post 2379, unwnd wrote:

In post 2368, Alisae wrote:Its always just a lose lose situation for me I think.
Pedit why would anyone want to replace into a slot to find out it’s doomed? How is that fun?

I would've been PUMPED personally like 'fuck yeah this is gonna be a challenge'

Is the idea of Fun only winning?

its having the chance to win. In doomed slots the illusion of that exists but that doesn’t mean it’s real it’s just an illusion.

In post 2380, Infinity 324 wrote:

In post 2374, Alisae wrote:

In post 2372, unwnd wrote:If there is a will, there's a way.

Ya I’m sure u can just will the other townie slots that make no sense for them to be scum to vote each other in F4 yep totally.

It's really easy to think you're in a worse position than you are as scum. I was so so confident you were town from the dead thread, and you know better than anyone how to win games despite seeming like you're obvious scum.

Yes I know how to win games
And here I am
Saying the game isn’t winnable

It’s not an objective view because this is mafia and I’ve seen lylos were scum had no business winning and have personally won in a 3p where the player I 1v1’d was mechanically inno’d to the player casting the deciding vote

hm, i think i find it harder to reevaluate my townreads (that townread me too) to neutral/scummier positions in my readlists when i'm not confident in my towniness level relative to the gamestate. that's soom good introspection that could help me. feels the same as in deathcurse where my one wrong TR was the one where they were defending me a lot. i think i'm too prone to being buddied if i'm not heavily TR on average

In post 2375, Hopkirk wrote:

he difference in replacement culture between mafiascum and other mafia websites is evidence enough of this

@NSG: what is this, out of interest?

for example, mafiauniverse tends to be much stricter about people replacing out of games. of course, their games avg. 24-36 hour day deadlines and so it isn't an entirely apples to apples comparison between the websites. i believe that they also tend to see replacements as more game-breaking and, as far as i'm aware though, a large view there is that mafiascum tends to be somewhat frivolous with our replacements. discussion of the reason behind a replace-out like some people did for flavor leaf is sort of a taboo.

In post 2383, Alisae wrote:Its an objective view cuz one of the players is a mason, the other was neighbors with scum and also a 1 shot neighbor who gets cleared off of a scum flip, and the last townie is very apparent in her townmeta and it makes 0 sense for them to be scum over me.

i think that discussing exactly how winnable the game actually was is sort of a distraction from what i see as the real issue, which is that of conceding against your partner's wishes and—in a sense—playing out of spite and against your win condition.

The game was entirely winnable even if there’s disagreement on the extent of that and given that it was conceding and claiming scum with me was totally unacceptable

In post 2379, unwnd wrote:

In post 2368, Alisae wrote:Its always just a lose lose situation for me I think.
Pedit why would anyone want to replace into a slot to find out it’s doomed? How is that fun?

I would've been PUMPED personally like 'fuck yeah this is gonna be a challenge'

Is the idea of Fun only winning?

We should play together some time

Yes people are absolutely prone to human error

Mafia setups are there to enforce wincons and to guide people, but they don't determine the way someone perceives your slot as a whole

In post 2390, Menalque wrote:The game was entirely winnable even if there’s disagreement on the extent of that and given that it was conceding and claiming scum with me was totally unacceptable

I'd say that regardless of how winnable the game actually was or wasn't conceding against your partner's wishes is wrong.

I might say that there are obviously exceptions for a literal mechanical loss or something similar where there is no possibility of scum winning even if every townie suddenly got mind controlled, but that obviously isn't the situation here.

In post 2389, northsidegal wrote:which is that of conceding against your partner's wishes and—in a sense—playing out of spite and against your win condition.

Oh so it doesn’t matter if the game was actually unwinnable?

Also I still think bussing Mena is correct.

In post 2390, Menalque wrote:The game was entirely winnable even if there’s disagreement on the extent of that and given that it was conceding and claiming scum with me was totally unacceptable

How do u win?

In post 2391, Menalque wrote:

In post 2379, unwnd wrote:

In post 2368, Alisae wrote:Its always just a lose lose situation for me I think.
Pedit why would anyone want to replace into a slot to find out it’s doomed? How is that fun?

I would've been PUMPED personally like 'fuck yeah this is gonna be a challenge'

Is the idea of Fun only winning?

We should play together some time

it's like some people don't think the point of mafia is hear memeing with a bit of solving thrown in so that people don't policy-lethal you

You still didn’t answer me on why u bussed?

Yeah I mean I agree with you entirely, NSG

In post 2395, Alisae wrote:

In post 2390, Menalque wrote:The game was entirely winnable even if there’s disagreement on the extent of that and given that it was conceding and claiming scum with me was totally unacceptable

How do u win?

getting the person who TR you (Kanna) to vote MT over you. Kanna isn't infallible and isn't sure in retrospect (citation needed)