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In post 360, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:

In post 295, Galron wrote:

In post 282, DrippingGoofball wrote:VOTE: skitter30

Does a scum!Skitter spend this much effort trying to build a case on town on day 1 of a phase when it's likely any wagon there is likely to break up?

I think skitter is probably town and this (and DGB's vote on skitter) are giving me alarm bells.

Feels like TMI, but if it is TMI, it seems like the intent is to make light of the wagon on skitter indirectly ("it's likely any wagon there is likely to break up"). I say it seems like TMI because Galron has been talking to me as though I'm null or scummy to this point, most of his posting is about how the callers are a distraction iirc. That makes me think he would see me as scummy for bringing the focus there. But he asks his hypothetical as though he knows I'm town. This doesn't align.

VOTE: Galron

It remains to be seen if this is WKing or just defending a buddy but I think Skitter has behaved well since voting me and since I voted her.

In post 368, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:

In post 321, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 319, Ydrasse wrote:it kiiiiinda feels like you're digging in your heels and i don't get it

Do you think scumFinity does that here?

I've had the same inkling and it grows stronger the longer the skitter-infinty discussion goes on. It seems white-knighty, I'm kinda thinking a Galron, DGB, Infinity team rn. Possible theater between them and they're all sort of distanced by positioning differently around skitter and I.

Pedit: not sure if launch was a typo but if it was that word is recently banned, and if it wasn't you should probably use a word less similar like yeet

In post 398, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I like most of ydrasse's list, feels pretty close to my thoughts so far, at the very least it reinforces for me that she's town even if we're both wrong.

Mine goes:
Townread: Rousseau, Ydrasse
Townlean: Skitter, Cephrir,
Nulltown: Tetrina
Null: Gamma, Pooky, House
Nullscum: Roden, DGB
Scumlean: Galron
Scumread: Infinity

House truly null, Gamma and Pooky in null because they've both done things that are lightly towny and lightly scummy, and to me they feel balanced out.

Roden I expect to have heard more from by now, but it hasn't been long so this could fluctuate quickly.

Galron's reaction to being voted feels like unconcerned town to me, but this is easy to fake as scum. This lifts him out of the scumread tier to a scumlean for me.

In Infinity's discussion with skitter, I really felt like I was being white knighted at first. I didnt say anything because I wanted to see how long it would go on, and it seemed to me that any push on skitter there was heavily tied to defending me. I'm going to reread this and see what I think today though.

In post 441, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:It has skitter, I want to consolidate with skitter or ydrasse, and both the players they're voting are my bottom 3 with Galron

In post 453, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:

In post 442, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay why are DGB and galron in your bottom 3 reads?

It's already explained in my readslist.

Galron I think should have a different view of me based on his stance around the communications from the callers. He said they're a distraction and town should not abide a distraction taking hold of the thread

DGB's skitter vote bugged me as potentially opportunistic and there's also something that looks like theater going on between it and Galron

Infinity is white knighting me and also has what feel like forced interactions with galron.

The three of them are sort of positioned "around" skitter vs me, which could be distancing between Galron and DGB/Infinity on opposite sides.

Gamma what's your read on infinity now then if you're not

necessarily

going to reread her and skitter?

In post 502, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:

In post 497, Galron wrote:

In post 453, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Galron I think should have a different view of me based on his stance around the communications from the callers. He said they're a distraction and town should not abide a distraction taking hold of the thread

What is my view of you? I'm not even sure I've got a read on you yet, but I do have a view. I'll tell you about it after you tell me what you think it is.

I believe the initial communications were a distraction, yes, put there for color. Whether the subsequent ones are relevant, no idea yet.

I think you, as town, should be annoyed by me posting about the callers if you really think they are a distraction. I would expect that to color your read on me.

Pedit: nice job Galron, you've stopped tweetie

In post 509, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Also Galron, in 490, who are you about to sheep? What is "the call on cephrir" and who made it? It seems from context it's meant to be me but I'm leaning town on him

In post 546, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:

In post 543, DrippingGoofball wrote:

In post 541, Ydrasse wrote:

In post 537, DrippingGoofball wrote:This is going to feed into paranoia that I'm buddies with Galron but I do town read him.

why?

In post 453, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:DGB's skitter vote bugged me as potentially opportunistic and there's also something that looks like theater going on between it and Galron

Infinity is white knighting me and also has what feel like forced interactions with galron.

The three of them are sort of positioned "around" skitter vs me, which could be distancing between Galron and DGB/Infinity on opposite sides.

It seems like you're answering "why does this feed into paranoia that you are partners with Galron", but I think ydrasse is asking "why do you tr Galron" - maybe I'm wrong in that, but if she wasn't asking that, I'll ask it, because I'd like to know.

In post 551, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:

In post 549, DrippingGoofball wrote:

In post 546, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:"why do you tr Galron"

His giddiness jumps right off the page, maybe he has a big fat PR

I don't know if I recognize the giddiness in rereading his ISO. maybe in recent posting it's not as flat as it started, but I wouldn't say giddy. Where does it jump out for you, in what posts?

In post 586, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:

In post 570, Galron wrote:

In post 561, rousseau wrote:

In post 558, Galron wrote:

In post 526, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’m not sold on Cephrir!town but I don’t like the way you or Galron entered the thread after kyouko called you town partners with Infinity

I missed this. Where?

In post 453, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:

In post 442, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay why are DGB and galron in your bottom 3 reads?

It's already explained in my readslist.

Galron I think should have a different view of me based on his stance around the communications from the callers. He said they're a distraction and town should not abide a distraction taking hold of the thread

DGB's skitter vote bugged me as potentially opportunistic and there's also something that looks like theater going on between it and Galron

Infinity is white knighting me and also has what feel like forced interactions with galron.

The three of them are sort of positioned "around" skitter vs me, which could be distancing between Galron and DGB/Infinity on opposite sides.

For some reason I read Gamma's post as Kyouko calling Infinity and me town partners, and that threw me off. Thanks for pointing that out.

I wonder if this threw Galron off because Galron is partnered with Infinity, and he didnt understand why he was being called a town partner with her, rather than a scum partner

VOTE: Galron

In post 591, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Roden, what do you think of DGB and Galron as individuals? Separate from which wagon has more resistance

In post 724, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:

In post 676, skitter30 wrote:

In post 586, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I wonder if this threw Galron off because Galron is partnered with Infinity, and he didnt understand why he was being called a town partner with her, rather than a scum partner

VOTE: Galron

a) dislike this reasoning, i also thought gamma had written 'town partners'
b) don't want galron to be on e2

In post 526, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’m not sold on Cephrir!town but I don’t like the way you or Galron entered the thread after kyouko called you town partners with Infinity

Here's Gamma's post. Without the context of the typo, it is ambiguous whether he is using the plural or the singular you, and since the first use of you in the post is singular ( and is addressed at Galron) it is easily read that way from his point of view.

Gamma did write town partners, but it's not wrong to interpret it the way I think he might have.

In post 764, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Okay not literally a joke, but the implication was that because tetrina pointed to you and you to Galron, that he should point to tetrina. Obviously that's not a serious train of thought, like you were just memeing out, but he responded as though it were serious

In post 1119, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:

In post 1085, rousseau wrote:

In post 1069, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:VOTE: Galron

third times the charm?

can you explain to me the issue with

'do you think scum!player (where player is not the one speaking or being spoken to) would do this:'

as that seems to be the basis for your galron read as well as for your gamma emerald case

It's not the basis for my Galron read, I don't know if that's even a point I've made against Galron. Maybe you mean my comment on the way that Gamma moved from Galron to DGB? That is equity with scum!Gamma that comes from Gamma's side and isn't AI for Galron unless Gamma flips red. It makes me feel better that there is equity between my scumreads, but I'm not scumreading Galron

because

of Gamma.

I wouldn't call it the

basis

for my Gamma case, but that's possibly a matter of perception. It is the

reason

I tried to trap him around an infinity partner read. I think his behavior around her, and hers around him, are suspicious, but I don't think there is interest in eliminating him today.

The reason it pinged me in the first place is this - it is a tell specific to Gamma:
"Will ask the general playerbase how they feel about his partner to either a) remove them from people's minds to eliminate or b) know the time is right to bus them
Source: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12881030 (Large 233)"
(from Gamma's scumtells in a notes file I keep on my PC)

In post 1122, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:

In post 1121, rousseau wrote:

In post 1119, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:It's not the basis for my Galron read, I don't know if that's even a point I've made against Galron.

this was the first time you voted for galron:

In post 360, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:

In post 295, Galron wrote:

In post 282, DrippingGoofball wrote:VOTE: skitter30

Does a scum!Skitter spend this much effort trying to build a case on town on day 1 of a phase when it's likely any wagon there is likely to break up?

I think skitter is probably town and this (and DGB's vote on skitter) are giving me alarm bells.

Feels like TMI, but if it is TMI, it seems like the intent is to make light of the wagon on skitter indirectly ("it's likely any wagon there is likely to break up"). I say it seems like TMI because Galron has been talking to me as though I'm null or scummy to this point, most of his posting is about how the callers are a distraction iirc. That makes me think he would see me as scummy for bringing the focus there. But he asks his hypothetical as though he knows I'm town. This doesn't align.

VOTE: Galron

It remains to be seen if this is WKing or just defending a buddy but I think Skitter has behaved well since voting me and since I voted her.

The first halves of the sentences are the same but you're comparing apples to oranges. It's right in that post that I think Galron is TMIing me as town. In Gamma's 321 I suspected that scum!Gamma was testing the waters to see if he would need to bus scum!Infinity

In post 1131, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:

In post 1130, rousseau wrote:

In post 1122, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:The first halves of the sentences are the same but you're comparing apples to oranges. It's right in that post that I think Galron is TMIing me as town. In Gamma's 321 I suspected that scum!Gamma was testing the waters to see if he would need to bus scum!Infinity

right but the tmiing you as town would be on account of asking you if scum!skitter would do x and that doesn't seem to be implied to me so i am asking the issue with this general type of question as it also stood out to you elsewhere

unless you think simply assuming that scum!skitter wouldn't be pushing scum!you in that situation is tmi? because that feels ??? to me

I think you might need to reread the posts more closely as there are a couple of problems with what you're describing.

Galron is addressing DGB in response to it voting Skitter.
Galron says, to DGB, does scum!Skitter push town [Kyouko] like this?
I identify this (Galron referring to me as town) feels TMI to me because so far I have felt that Galron viewed me as null or scummy, and that if anything, he should have a negative view of me because he sees the discussion about the callers as distracting.

In post 1154, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:

In post 1134, rousseau wrote:

In post 1131, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Galron is addressing DGB in response to it voting Skitter.
Galron says, to DGB, does scum!Skitter push town [Kyouko] like this?
I identify this (Galron referring to me as town) feels TMI to me because so far I have felt that Galron viewed me as null or scummy, and that if anything, he should have a negative view of me because he sees the discussion about the callers as distracting.

1.

yeah first you meant not to be there

but asking

2.

do you think scum!skitter does pushes you like this as town?

3.

does not imply that you are town? like you are answering the question for drippinggoofball as 'yes' in order to conclude that

4.

galron was tmiing you as town?

5.

whereas asking 'do you think scum!skitter pushes a wagon likely to fall apart like this?'

6.

to me implies that galron thinks it is not super likely but is asking drippinggoofball for their opinion

In post 1135, rousseau wrote:

7.

and thus if not likely that galron thinks scum!skitter would do this, that implies galron thinks more likely town!skitter, thus not inconsistent with earlier interactions with you

8.

so i am asking why this sort of question means that to you

1. I'm thinking this is a reference to a typo, not sure. If it's important lmk.
2. This is the exact question that was asked, with the green inserted by me for clarity, because the wording in your post is unclear:

In post 295, Galron wrote:

In post 282, DrippingGoofball wrote:VOTE: skitter30

Does a scum!Skitter spend this much effort trying to build a case on town

[Kyouko]

on day 1 of a phase when it's likely any wagon there is likely to break up?

3. I am the player that Skitter was spending effort in trying to build a case on, so yes, it does imply that I am town. If DGB had answered yes, it would follow that DGB also concedes that I am town for the purposes of answering the question. I have drawn no conclusions about anyone, including DGB, from a made-up answer to this question. I

have

drawn conlcusions about Galron based on the wording he used in his own question. He chose those words.

4. Galron

is

slipping that he thinks I am town here. If he were not, he would have worded the question differently.
5. <nothing to respond to>
6. I don't disagree with your conclusion here. This, however, has nothing to do with Galron TMIing me as town. If he was posing the question as though I were town, he would have said "town!Kyouko", instead of "town", because he did use "scum!Skitter" as a hypothetical.
7. Galron's read on skitter is not what is inconsistent. What is inconsistent is that he sees the discussions about the callers as a distraction, but even though I have been very focused on the callers, he slips that I am town, when he hasn't mentioned anything of the sort before. In fact, later on, when I further clarify that the inconsistency on me is related to my focus on the callers, he claims he has no read on me yet, but he does have a view on me:

In post 497, Galron wrote:

In post 453, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Galron I think should have a different view of me based on his stance around the communications from the callers. He said they're a distraction and town should not abide a distraction taking hold of the thread

What is my view of you? I'm not even sure I've got a read on you yet, but I do have a view. I'll tell you about it after you tell me what you think it is.

I believe the initial communications were a distraction, yes, put there for color. Whether the subsequent ones are relevant, no idea yet.

8. Apples and oranges. My read on Galron is not related to "this sort of question" in the sense you seem to think it is. The only relation it has to that question is that in the wording of that question, Galron TMIs that I am town.

In post 1164, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:

In post 1160, rousseau wrote:

In post 1155, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:That took a while to write because Rousseau is obfuscating the issue with the formatting and misquoting the actual content of the quotes because it's coming from memory^

now it just looks to me like your point is,

is tmi because 'town' instead of 'town!kyouko'

which, uh, shrug

what's the rest of the reasoning as to why galron is a scums?

shortly thereafter he says he doesn't have a read on me yet, which is in contradiction with him calling me town in his question to DGB. I think this further indicates that calling me town was a slip and he's backtracking to cover it up.
I also haven't seen anything since then to convince me he's townie or solving.
Furthermore, the way he says he "leaned in" to your meme question about the triangle of being annoyed between Tetrina, you, and him, makes me think he's having trouble engaging in general and is "leaning in" to try to force some involvement. Describing it as leaning in reveals that he is aware he is detached, and it feels like something scum would do: Open up about what they're actually feeling in a game to appear genuine and therefore townie.

In post 1294, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Hmm...

Roden, what's your opinion on Galron? Do you think he could be scum? You seemed to be talking like he could be earlier, but then this...

In post 1105, Roden wrote:

In post 1069, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:VOTE: Galron

Does Galron still fit into the equation if both Infinity and Gamma are town? I'm back and forth on Gamma but I think Infinity backed up everything she said about her TR on Gamma with some pretty detailed receipts.

This kind of made me think otherwise.
UNVOTE:

In post 1500, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:

In post 1499, Galron wrote:VOTE: Pooky

That readlist of the communicaters comes from scum I think. Scum know who the scum NPC is. This is Pooky leading Town into deception.

???

In post 1501, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:@callers,

Think it was asked already, but do you know if there is any material benefit if we or you can identify the scum caller?

In post 1507, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:So you think pooky is scum and telling us to listen to the scum caller, who is...?